Just on top of the musician note, a part of it is presenting it.

 

No one knows your a musician if your just walking down the hall. If you have a guitar on your back, that turns some heads.

 

I play piano, and dang good if i do say so myself :P But no one i meet on the street would know that.

 

But being a musician does make some opportunity in the right situations. If your in a bar or something and your start playing some nice popular music....

 

You got some attention.

Just on top of the musician note, a part of it is presenting it.

 

No one knows your a musician if your just walking down the hall. If you have a guitar on your back, that turns some heads.

 

I play piano, and dang good if i do say so myself :P But no one i meet on the street would know that.

 

But being a musician does make some opportunity in the right situations. If your in a bar or something and your start playing some nice popular music....

 

You got some attention.

I wonder how I would be received if I busted out my electric violin and started playing :P

So does this throw out Brad P's "Stereotype's attract women" theory? Because so far that lousy Fashion Bible book hasn't been the slightest bit accurate here.

 

Girls don't spend their time trying to attract other girls, plus they think differently to guys. I stopped listening to women for advice on women at about the same time I started switching from failing measurably to success and haven't looked back.

 

Its accurate. I know girls who will do a guy just for a certain piercing/style.

 

Its a small percentage, but the idea is to be 'in' with some, rather than 'neutral' with all.

 

Not all women are bad at giving advice about girls :D.

Debatable. That idea has NEVER worked for me. If it really works, cool, I'll try it again. If not, well...

 

As Iamdan said though, women think differently from us guys. We tend to focus more on what's intended, or the message in a conversation, while women seem to focus more on the metamessage, or what's implied. That also seems to be a major source for a lot of the "failures" with my success with women. I say one thing to get to the point, and a lot of them just seem to focus on what's more implied than anything else. This basically leads to arguments, but that's another story for another time.

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Self-improvement over the summer. Then when I go back to school, I'll be a new person. And get women.

I already run, play the piano, play the gutiar, and am fit. Protip: It takes a bit more than that

 

Actually, it takes none of that.

 

 

No girl would want you because you do or are these things, and no girl would disqualify you on the basis of not doing or being these things.

 

 

@ I'm happy for you harrinator .

As much as I want to agree with you on this point, romy, and I know you have insider info and such, I have to disagree. Though 'tis true that while one would not be attracted or disqualified by these qualities, one with them is more generally desirable than one without them, all other things being equal. As much as so many people would like to deny it, some things can be attractive, and these are some of these things.

 

I believe you to be correct in that it is not a causal relationship though. Just because you do a particular activity does not do anything. Something about the execution of that activity though... I don't think I'm being quite clear. I suppose I should let the self-proclaimed attraction experts talk about this, as much as I hate them scientififying it.

 

 

lets face the facts. Musicians [especially famous ones] get an instant +2 on their ranking of sexiness, simply for being musicians. Being fit, overall just helps out your attraction. And Confidense is boosted by an innumerable amount. So, let him get all self improved. It couldn't hurt after all

 

Franky, I'm surprised by the amount of guys here that have no idea how to attract girls.

 

That famous musician is sexier because he's succesful, because he's confident, because like Dan said he may be mysterious, etc. NOT BECAUSE HE'S A MUSICIAN.

 

 

You can look at 2 examples-

Example one- an unbelieveably great musician, able to create wonderful sounds with every music tool he lays his hands on, with a great voice, etc. He's also incredibly beautiful and fit and works out regularly. This guy is also very incofident, has a low self-esteem, is shy, and can't stick to one opinion. Do you know a girl that would want him?

Example two- a chubby guy, who has no idea what a flute is, and had never seen a guitar in his life. This guy is also very confident, knows what he's doing, is witty and a little assertive, and can actually present a challenge to girls. Do you know a girl that would say no to him? (This question is kind of tricky, because the guy's description would probably turn-off some girls, but I can gurantee that if those girls met such a guy, and he tried to hit on them, he'd almost definitely get them.)

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Point taken. Good rebuttal. I gracfully except defeat :bow:

 

also...what ecatly is this "method" you reffered to? Please enlighten us.

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Self-improvement over the summer. Then when I go back to school, I'll be a new person. And get women.

I already run, play the piano, play the gutiar, and am fit. Protip: It takes a bit more than that

 

Actually, it takes none of that.

 

 

No girl would want you because you do or are these things, and no girl would disqualify you on the basis of not doing or being these things.

 

 

@ I'm happy for you harrinator .

As much as I want to agree with you on this point, romy, and I know you have insider info and such, I have to disagree. Though 'tis true that while one would not be attracted or disqualified by these qualities, one with them is more generally desirable than one without them, all other things being equal. As much as so many people would like to deny it, some things can be attractive, and these are some of these things.

 

I believe you to be correct in that it is not a causal relationship though. Just because you do a particular activity does not do anything. Something about the execution of that activity though... I don't think I'm being quite clear. I suppose I should let the self-proclaimed attraction experts talk about this, as much as I hate them scientififying it.

 

 

lets face the facts. Musicians [especially famous ones] get an instant +2 on their ranking of sexiness, simply for being musicians. Being fit, overall just helps out your attraction. And Confidense is boosted by an innumerable amount. So, let him get all self improved. It couldn't hurt after all

 

Franky, I'm surprised by the amount of guys here that have no idea how to attract girls.

 

That famous musician is sexier because he's succesful, because he's confident, because like Dan said he may be mysterious, etc. NOT BECAUSE HE'S A MUSICIAN.

 

 

You can look at 2 examples-

Example one- an unbelieveably great musician, able to create wonderful sounds with every music tool he lays his hands on, with a great voice, etc. He's also incredibly beautiful and fit and works out regularly. This guy is also very incofident, has a low self-esteem, is shy, and can't stick to one opinion. Do you know a girl that would want him?

Example two- a chubby guy, who has no idea what a flute is, and had never seen a guitar in his life. This guy is also very confident, knows what he's doing, is witty and a little assertive, and can actually present a challenge to girls. Do you know a girl that would say no to him? (This question is kind of tricky, because the guy's description would probably turn-off some girls, but I can gurantee that if those girls met such a guy, and he tried to hit on them, he'd almost definitely get them.)

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Point taken. Good rebuttal. I gracfully except defeat :bow:

 

also...what ecatly is this "method" you reffered to? Please enlighten us.

 

 

Nothing that can be explained over the Internet.

 

The average time it takes to teach it all is about 20 hours (shocking huh....), and it never ends at that. Every person that received such a treatment from me or my brother (a total of 76 guys... don't worry, most of them were grouped together) came back with questions, and then later some more questions.

 

And it doesn't even end there. Obviously, we can't ever explain each and every possible situation in our "lectures", and many times we get questions about very specific cases.

 

 

 

So getting it through here will be amazingly hard, perhaps impossible. But that's the main reason I'm here guys :), to share my knowledge and get some feedback.

 

[hide=Just a small tip for anyone who wishes to read]

 

I assume most of you already have some experience with girls (or a girl). Well, did you ever meet a girl, have some fun, a good coversation, and then suddenly when you try to move on- get a phone number, try to ask for another date, try to hug her, or anything around those lines, suddenly it seems as if she's not interested anymore? It usually feels like that good start you had with her is just ruined and is worthless.

Well, there's a reason for that. And where there's a reason, there's a solution.

(By the way, that situation can also happen after you've met her and perhaps even went on another date or two, and even futher than that.)

 

*Note that our solution also helps attract girls easily, and creates sexual tension at times.

 

 

First, let's get to the reason behind those girls' reaction.

There are serveral behaviours men tend to follow that basically appall women. One of those, is desperation.

You may not look at it that way, you may find your actions (asking for a phone number, trying to hug the girl, etc) as perfectly legitimate. To tell you the truth, there's nothing wrong with these actions when done correctly.

You see, when done in certain ways, your action might make the girl feel pressured to "get things going", she might even think you're obssesed with it, which may lead her to think you just want to get in bed with her.

Any girl that would feel that way could easily just disqualify you as even a potential.

 

When a girl thinks the most important thing to you is to get her phone number, kiss her, or generally get things going, she just disqualifies you instantly.

In her eyes, a guy whose locked at getting things going, only wants sex. She thinks of that guy as someone whose just trying to conquer her, objectify her, etc, and not treat her as a human being. And no girl would want that.

 

And now, for the magic solution.

 

I like to call that solution "Tango", because of the very easy principle it's based on- Two steps forward, one step backwards.

The idea is simple, for every little move you take forward, you go backwards, and only then keep going forward.

You can start touching her hand for example, and then suddenly completely stop.

You can ask her personal questions, flirt with her a little, and then suddenly act is if you're not that interested.

You can sit close to her (a step forward), sniff her neck (another step forward) and suddenly just stop and lean back (a step backwards).

 

 

These steps are great for creating positive tension, depending on what kind of steps, even sexual tension.

The girl is completely confused (kind of cruel, but it works, and if you're after going steady, I'm sure no harm is done)- "Why did he lean back?" "Why is he suddenly so cold to me?" "Is he not interested in me anymore?" "Did I do something wrong?" etc.

It drives her crazy, she's starting to feel like she's losing you. At times she might even try to encourage you to keep going.

In other words, that desperate behaviour mentioned before is not even an option when using these steps, her impression of who you are changes completely.

 

 

After you took a step backwards, all that's left to do is take two steps forward. As in, keep doing what you did before, and a little more.

The girl will be more than glad to find out you're into her again, she'll happily allow you to go on, after she was confused about losing you.

 

 

After a while, you should try the Tango again- stop moving on, perhaps even become silent, let her feel the tension again, and then take two steps forward once again.[/hide]

"Tango" reminds me of Mel [iGoddessI] 's method she reffered to as "take two of these and call me in the morning". General gist being that you make it seem like you're coming onto her, then stop. Then continue. Then stop. The strange hot/cold changes will confuse the hell out of the girl. But your application is on a much smaller scale. Mel's was more like...talking to a girl for a whole night, flirting with her, get her number, call her. then cut contact for a week. Then continue as if nothing happened.

 

Obviously something about confusiong the hell out of a girl turns her on.

 

 

and as long as we're talking about your method, is there a way I could convince you and your brother to make a few abridged videos. I think such a thing would have a pretty high popularity, so long as you don't sell out like Mystery did.

READ this article.

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/crackeds-reluctant-advice-how-to-get-girls-to-like-you/

 

Its funny and reminded me if this thread.

 

Women are not some object or equation to solve. They're people like you and me. I don't get why that concept is difficult.

"Tango" reminds me of Mel [iGoddessI] 's method she reffered to as "take two of these and call me in the morning". General gist being that you make it seem like you're coming onto her, then stop. Then continue. Then stop. The strange hot/cold changes will confuse the hell out of the girl. But your application is on a much smaller scale. Mel's was more like...talking to a girl for a whole night, flirting with her, get her number, call her. then cut contact for a week. Then continue as if nothing happened.

 

Obviously something about confusiong the hell out of a girl turns her on.

 

 

and as long as we're talking about your method, is there a way I could convince you and your brother to make a few abridged videos. I think such a thing would have a pretty high popularity, so long as you don't sell out like Mystery did.

 

Don't know how similar these are, considering your method is a form of confusing, while mine is a form of getting things done without difficulties. That confusion part is just a (fortunate) side effect.

 

 

As for that video part.... We were very close to doing that, and then we found out our method isn't that new. There may be other variations slightly different, but the core of them all is the same, so we just decided to keep it to ourselves and only help those who really need it. I can't say I regret researching, even though it took countless hours.

 

 

We also thought of publishing a book, and found out it's been done in our country already :S...

 

Women are not some object or equation to solve. They're people like you and me. I don't get why that concept is difficult.

As a girl, I can tell you I thought the same thing before knowing otherwise. Today I know hard equations are basically all it takes...

 

I'm not saying girls are not people (being one obviously heloped that :P), only that psychology is an area that can be manipulated endlessly, even on girls.

That push/pull idea is nothing new. Mel said it and I've been saying it. It works but it won't solve your problem of being told to [bleep] off when you make random approaches. (as in, it's not a complete solution)

That push/pull idea is nothing new. Mel said it and I've been saying it. It works but it won't solve your problem of being told to [bleep] off when you make random approaches. (as in, it's not a complete solution)

 

Yes, I can't stress this enough.

 

 

Guys, this is just a tip, it doesn't mean that you can use it on a random girl you just met, it takes some other things too!

Like 100 sit ups/day?

Whoa. What'd I miss.

Found these two articles on Cracked:

 

6 Things Men Do To Get Laid That Science Says Turn Women Off

6 Ways You Can (Accidently) Attract the Ladies

 

A lot of it was already on this thread, but some of it was new to me. What do you guys think?

Found these two articles on Cracked:

 

6 Things Men Do To Get Laid That Science Says Turn Women Off

6 Ways You Can (Accidently) Attract the Ladies

 

A lot of it was already on this thread, but some of it was new to me. What do you guys think?

I think Cracked is awesome.

Found these two articles on Cracked:

 

6 Things Men Do To Get Laid That Science Says Turn Women Off

6 Ways You Can (Accidently) Attract the Ladies

 

A lot of it was already on this thread, but some of it was new to me. What do you guys think?

I think Cracked is awesome.

And I agree.

Found these two articles on Cracked:

 

6 Things Men Do To Get Laid That Science Says Turn Women Off

6 Ways You Can (Accidently) Attract the Ladies

 

A lot of it was already on this thread, but some of it was new to me. What do you guys think?

 

The first artcle-

#1 is not something I'd even consider

#2+3 umm... basically 2 edges of the same rope, the writer gave an example of one side, said it's wrong, and then said the other side is great. Neither is.

#4 is possibly correct, but taken way too far in the article...

#5 was semi-correct. Again, taking it to the edge is not the best idea.

#6 doesn't relate to the important part of content. Which is a problem :unsure: ...

 

 

The second article-

#1 yeah, that's true.

#2 dunno about this one.

#3 I read about this one a long time ago. It's not a lie, but it's wrong. Certain chemicals are released in about the first 20 minutes or so of sweating, that attract females, after that you just smell bad. In other words guys, don't sweat before dates, unless it's speed-dating :).

#4 kind of pointless...

#6+5 Hilarous :D.

I never considered the sensitive guy population increase was due to hormone pills...that's actually fascinating. Good articles :thumbsup:

Most of it was idea's that I'd already mostly acquired, just written in a funnier (and much more organized than my thoughts) way. Not necessarily an enlightening read (well except the unconscious attraction one, but it's mainly impossible to use. I'm sticking to my deodorant), but a fun one either way.

hey.

 

so im living in san diego now, i moved here a few months ago.

 

havent done much with getting out/making friends, im more of a loner, and usually shy.

 

i have a part time job and i get along really well with everyone there, theyre really cool.

 

one of my co-workers invited me to a game night at her friend's and it was great to just chill out

 

and do some random games and talk. it was five others and me, 3 of them girls. i talked with one

 

of them quite a bit through the evening and hung out near her for a while, we kinda semi-flirted

 

and before i left i got her number.

 

 

so, what now?

 

*also a major thing that sucks is i dont have a car out here atm*

 

as i said im often shy, and small talk/chatting isnt really something im good at.

 

:-|

 

edit:

 

im not exactly looking for a girlfriend right away, but how can i just

 

become friends without screwing it up

You're asking us ...

 

How to become friends with a girl? Wtf.

 

Um, you know, call her and say, hey, let's be friends?

without screwing it up. i have a talent for that.

 

im guessing youll just say be yourself, chill out,

 

etc

Lent,

 

I think you should give the guy a break.

 

For the double spacing. Wait, o shi-

 

Really, it shouldn't be that hard. Asking a girl out is the most ****ing complex thing in the universe here, but being friends is easy. Unless you're nervous because you have feelings for her, which is what I picked up. I also assumed

that basically what you're asking is not the becoming friends part alone, but instead you want to learn how to become friends with her before you date her. If that's the chase, click on this pretty little show button below.

 

[hide]THIS IS THE WORSE MISTAKE YOU COULD EVER MAKE IN YOUR LIFE.

 

Wikipedia defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The friend zone (or friendship zone) is a popular psychology concept found in many pseudo-psychology texts geared towards a male audience about "dating advice." It refers to the situation where the female has begun to view a male as a friend only and not a potential suitor, a psychological classification supposedly exceptionally difficult to undo."

 

Urban Dictionary defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The seventh level of hell, where despite all and any efforts to the contrary, no member of the opposite sex will ever see you as anything more than conversation. "

 

If this is the case, please let us so, so I can redirect you to a certified guru/badass in this thread to slap some sense into you. Thanks and come again =D[/hide]

[hide]THIS IS THE WORSE MISTAKE YOU COULD EVER MAKE IN YOUR LIFE.

 

Wikipedia defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The friend zone (or friendship zone) is a popular psychology concept found in many pseudo-psychology texts geared towards a male audience about "dating advice." It refers to the situation where the female has begun to view a male as a friend only and not a potential suitor, a psychological classification supposedly exceptionally difficult to undo."

 

Urban Dictionary defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The seventh level of hell, where despite all and any efforts to the contrary, no member of the opposite sex will ever see you as anything more than conversation. "

 

If this is the case, please let us so, so I can redirect you to a certified guru/badass in this thread to slap some sense into you. Thanks and come again =D[/hide]

 

That's probably very new and quite unbelieveable to some of you, but there's an (easy) way out of the "friend zone". It requires planning ahead and is very individual (and based on the very very specific relations you've had with the girl so far) but it's possible, and isn't hard AT ALL.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[hide]THIS IS THE WORSE MISTAKE YOU COULD EVER MAKE IN YOUR LIFE.

 

Wikipedia defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The friend zone (or friendship zone) is a popular psychology concept found in many pseudo-psychology texts geared towards a male audience about "dating advice." It refers to the situation where the female has begun to view a male as a friend only and not a potential suitor, a psychological classification supposedly exceptionally difficult to undo."

 

Urban Dictionary defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The seventh level of hell, where despite all and any efforts to the contrary, no member of the opposite sex will ever see you as anything more than conversation. "

 

If this is the case, please let us so, so I can redirect you to a certified guru/badass in this thread to slap some sense into you. Thanks and come again =D[/hide]

 

That's probably very new and quite unbelieveable to some of you, but there's an (easy) way out of the "friend zone". It requires planning ahead and is very individual (and based on the very very specific relations you've had with the girl so far) but it's possible, and isn't hard AT ALL.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

It depends really, when you're younger it can happen often, but when you get a bit older it doesn't.

[hide]THIS IS THE WORSE MISTAKE YOU COULD EVER MAKE IN YOUR LIFE.

 

Wikipedia defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The friend zone (or friendship zone) is a popular psychology concept found in many pseudo-psychology texts geared towards a male audience about "dating advice." It refers to the situation where the female has begun to view a male as a friend only and not a potential suitor, a psychological classification supposedly exceptionally difficult to undo."

 

Urban Dictionary defines the 'friendzone' as:

 

"The seventh level of hell, where despite all and any efforts to the contrary, no member of the opposite sex will ever see you as anything more than conversation. "

 

If this is the case, please let us so, so I can redirect you to a certified guru/badass in this thread to slap some sense into you. Thanks and come again =D[/hide]

 

That's probably very new and quite unbelieveable to some of you, but there's an (easy) way out of the "friend zone". It requires planning ahead and is very individual (and based on the very very specific relations you've had with the girl so far) but it's possible, and isn't hard AT ALL.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

It depends really, when you're younger it can happen often, but when you get a bit older it doesn't.

 

I can assure you the "friend zone" is mostly a myth.

 

 

Hitting on girls who consider you their "good friend" has it's advantages and disadvantages, but overall- it's more than possible, it's even easy most of the time.