Today I went and sold my stuff on RS that could be worth something, and ended up with 14.3m, so I went to a F2P world and found a spot with a couple low levels there, I dropped it and watched.

 

The guy was like "Holy shit"

You're supposed to run around dropping rune scimitars or something, gets you much more attention :-D.

 

But almost anyone who has/can raise ~10M just goes and buys a bond for membership, so yeah.. :XD:.

Took the local mountain today. Nice 3 hour climb.

Really much mosquitoes though, and we had no repellant.

 

But yeah, finally, after 5 years here I have eventually hiked the closest mountain with it's 830 metres. During those 5 years I have taken hills and mountains from all over the world, but not the one in my backyard...

<-- doesn't understand tipping culture

<--- lives in areas without tipping culture

<--- doesn't have to worry about tipping or carrying cash at all

What i hate is when i people expect a tip. When i was still in Florida we had a girl get all offensive with us one day when we didn't leave a tip. We were a table full of Europeans and then me. Was a funny day.

 

Here we don't tip either. It's actually discouraged because people don't want it to become a habit. But here you actually feel bad if you don't leave a tip, since the folks here make nest to nothing.

Many places will actually automatically include a tip for large parties (6-7+)...I suppose not wherever you went though :P. And well yeah, they're making $2-3/hr probably, after bringing you all that stuff back and forth for an hour or two, you would probably be pretty ticked off too upon receiving nothing.

I thought minimum wage was like $7-something? Don't they need to be paid at least minimum wage? In all honesty, $7/h really isn't that bad lol. When i was working in a Music Store in South Africa i was getting R22/h which at the time was around $2.50-ish. Unless you meant the people here, in which case i would guess your estimate of $2-3/h is on par.

In here, where tipping isn't normal, waiters and waitresses receive a proper wage, so tipping is not necessary (although for exceptional service people do leave some extra money usually).

That sounds about right for minimum wage, but there are all sorts of loopholes to (legally or illegally) to force people's wage lower. I'm pretty sure waiters and people providing services are one of those exceptions.

oh my god, please don't start the tipping debate. it's so overdone and nothing new ever gets said.

 

What about this: tip if that's the norm where you're eating, don't tip if it isn't? Because the server is not being paid enough to put up with cultural posturing :twss:

Is this the reason why we called the website Tip It?

Is this the reason why we called the website Tip It?

 

Oh crap, after all these years OT is on to us! :ohnoes:

In the states server minimum wage is really low, since tipping is expected...

 

Tipping is almost as widespread in Canada though, and minimum wage is the same for everyone

So yeah, got my first "grown up" paycheck today of a grand. Feels pretty nice.

Also just got a new car I'll be picking up in about a weeks time so go on that as well.

My ears are still ringing help

Heading down to Tennessee for four days for a wedding. Nice break from the 8-5 life.

Lucky, I got a friend there I really wish I could see.

(Today) was my first day in my new kitchen job. The first 4 hours of which was spent plucking basil leaves. I don't think I ever want to eat basil again. But the job itself ain't bad.

 

And for [bleep]s sake people, if you're in america tip your damn server. It takes $16/hr and food stamps to live on your own here and thats with minimal health insurance. Servers are LUCKY to be paid $2/hr.

Yeah, pulling the "We don't tip in my country, so I'm not tipping here either!" card just makes you a elitist [wagon] (Ignorance is a different story. You're still at fault but you're not a bad person for it). I've never understood why people from other places take such issue with it. Like, you can either tip 15% for average service or restaurants will just increase the price of everything by that much (or more) and you have no power when you actually have bad service.  It just makes sense, although I'm sure that has a lot to do with growing up with that system.

 

I have friends who pull $30+ an hour as servers on good nights and probably average more than $20.  There's no way that they'd make that much if they just got a wage and no tips. Tipping shifts some of the power over a server to the customers from the business owner, which I think is a good thing.  That way it's more like they're working for you.

 

Of course, this is the only system I've personally observed so for all I know just giving servers a flat wage could actually be better.  But that's not how it is in America and not tipping is just going to make you an [wagon], not change things.

 

 

People from the country who do it are worse though.  And don't get me started on people who cite that [bleep]ing opening scene from Reservoir Dogs to justify not tipping like its some kind of [bleep]ing peer reviewed journal article.

Just for clarification, I always tip at least 15% even if the service was mediocre at best.

Yeah, pulling the "We don't tip in my country, so I'm not tipping here either!" card just makes you a elitist [wagon] (Ignorance is a different story. You're still at fault but you're not a bad person for it). I've never understood why people from other places take such issue with it. Like, you can either tip 15% for average service or restaurants will just increase the price of everything by that much (or more) and you have no power when you actually have bad service.  It just makes sense, although I'm sure that has a lot to do with growing up with that system.

 

I have friends who pull $30+ an hour as servers on good nights and probably average more than $20.  There's no way that they'd make that much if they just got a wage and no tips. Tipping shifts some of the power over a server to the customers from the business owner, which I think is a good thing.  That way it's more like they're working for you.

 

Of course, this is the only system I've personally observed so for all I know just giving servers a flat wage could actually be better.  But that's not how it is in America and not tipping is just going to make you an [wagon], not change things.

 

 

People from the country who do it are worse though.  And don't get me started on people who cite that [bleep]ing opening scene from Reservoir Dogs to justify not tipping like its some kind of [bleep]ing peer reviewed journal article.

Here's the problem i have though. If i tip only when i receive good service, i'll always receive good service. Whether my server had a bad day, whether she dislikes my attitude for whatever reason. Etc. I'll always receive good service because she'll want to work for her tip. 

 

Now, with your "always tip no matter what" mentality, i get a server that takes 15 minutes to take my order, 15 minutes to bring me my drink, brings me cold food, gives me attitude, etc. And you're telling me i should still tip her? I'm sorry, that's laughable logic. You're giving someone a tip for giving you bad service?

 

I've left restaurants where i wouldn't leave a single dollar tip on a $1000 check and i didn't feel bad at all, because the server was bad. Bad to the point i wouldn't go back to that restaurant. And then i've been to places where i'd leave a $50 tip on a $100 check, because the server was awesome. And that's how it should be. You get rewarded for good service, and you don't for bad service. I'd much rather have them increase the price by a flat % instead of making me feel "pressured" to pay some random person for doing their job poorly. 

Heading down to Tennessee for four days for a wedding. Nice break from the 8-5 life.

 

Which part?

So i just watched 7 Days in Hell... I don't know how i feel about anything right now.

Passed this yearly physical fitness test I have to take, earned $200 from doing well enough in it. Woo $$

 

Yeah, pulling the "We don't tip in my country, so I'm not tipping here either!" card just makes you a elitist [wagon] (Ignorance is a different story. You're still at fault but you're not a bad person for it). I've never understood why people from other places take such issue with it. Like, you can either tip 15% for average service or restaurants will just increase the price of everything by that much (or more) and you have no power when you actually have bad service.  It just makes sense, although I'm sure that has a lot to do with growing up with that system.

 

I have friends who pull $30+ an hour as servers on good nights and probably average more than $20.  There's no way that they'd make that much if they just got a wage and no tips. Tipping shifts some of the power over a server to the customers from the business owner, which I think is a good thing.  That way it's more like they're working for you.

 

Of course, this is the only system I've personally observed so for all I know just giving servers a flat wage could actually be better.  But that's not how it is in America and not tipping is just going to make you an [wagon], not change things.

 

 

People from the country who do it are worse though.  And don't get me started on people who cite that [bleep]ing opening scene from Reservoir Dogs to justify not tipping like its some kind of [bleep]ing peer reviewed journal article.

Here's the problem i have though. If i tip only when i receive good service, i'll always receive good service. Whether my server had a bad day, whether she dislikes my attitude for whatever reason. Etc. I'll always receive good service because she'll want to work for her tip. 

 

Now, with your "always tip no matter what" mentality, i get a server that takes 15 minutes to take my order, 15 minutes to bring me my drink, brings me cold food, gives me attitude, etc. And you're telling me i should still tip her? I'm sorry, that's laughable logic. You're giving someone a tip for giving you bad service?

 

I've left restaurants where i wouldn't leave a single dollar tip on a $1000 check and i didn't feel bad at all, because the server was bad. Bad to the point i wouldn't go back to that restaurant. And then i've been to places where i'd leave a $50 tip on a $100 check, because the server was awesome. And that's how it should be. You get rewarded for good service, and you don't for bad service. I'd much rather have them increase the price by a flat % instead of making me feel "pressured" to pay some random person for doing their job poorly. 

 

I think we agree with each other on pretty much everything? I didn't exactly present my point all that well.

 

What I'm arguing against is withholding tips on principle, no matter how the service is.  If a server does an average job (Isn't rude, asks if you want a refill on your drink, etc.  I try to give some leniency on time to bring food or alcohol, since that's more dependent on the kitchen or bar), then I feel that that should warrant a tip of around 15%.

 

The point I wanted to make was that with tipping when you encounter service that is really and truly bad, you have control in the situation and can withhold a tip.  To me, that seems like a better way to get your point across than to make a scene and demand to talk to a manager who will likely do nothing about it or possibly overreact and fire the server.  In my opinion, someone would have to be a truly terrible server for me to want them to get fired.

 

The purpose (or so I assume) of a tipping system is that it isn't a fixed value.  I certainly don't think you should always tip everyone 15% regardless of their level of service.  In most cases I tip closer to 25% (largely because I am cheap and rarely buy food that costs more than $15 anyways).  I personally have never had a server who I felt deserved less than 15%.  But if I ever do, I like the concept of tipping because it allows me to reflect that.  It is essentially the same thing as a flat 15% increase on item prices would, except with more control for the customer when encountering bad service.

 

I potentially have lower standards than other people when it comes to service though.  My only concern is getting my food and drinks.

I hate how servers are constantly trying to inflate what a good tip is. Here in Canada they make at least minimum wage (except Ontario where they can make like $1.50 less), but some servers expect 20% for average service.  I don't mind tipping, but there's no way you're getting 20% when you only came to take our drink orders every half hour and took another half hour to bring them to us.

Literally the first hting that was said about this was "let's not get into the whole tipping thing because nothing new ever gets said" and here we are.