Is Lying Okay?

[Lateralus]

I'm still not okay with the idea that I'll need to lie to my children about Santa Claus or anything else like that. I'm sure it'll be different when I actually have children, but the thought of it makes me die inside just now.

 

Then don't lie to your children. I don't think I will, unless my future-husband wanted to.

 

 

 

I'd hate to have all the credit (of buying presents) go to some fat guy who doesn't exist.

 

 

 

Plus, it shatters them when they find out that Santa's not real.

 

I believe in Santa Claus, and I'm fourteen years old. I know the history of St. Nicholas, I know he's dead, but I believe Santa is just a coat-wearing spirit of Christmas. Who says it's lying? Are you never going to tell your children bedtime stories, for fear that they'll be traumatized if they never sell a cow for magical beans? If your four-year old daughter asks where babies come from, are you going to go into excruciating detail or just tell her a stork brought it?

 

 

 

Lies aren't evil.

 

 

 

The fairy tale analogy is poor. There's a difference between stories, and legends which you tell as truth. It's not the telling of the story I disagree with, but things like "Be good or Santa Claus won't come this year!". Even if you don't say that, the message is still there with Santa's naughty and nice list. It's cheap and lazy parenting. Same goes for the stork story, it's just a diversion to make things less uncomfortable for the parent. If you don't want your five year old knowing about the mechanics of sex then tell her that.

[Laura]

I'm still not okay with the idea that I'll need to lie to my children about Santa Claus or anything else like that. I'm sure it'll be different when I actually have children, but the thought of it makes me die inside just now.

 

Then don't lie to your children. I don't think I will, unless my future-husband wanted to.

 

 

 

I'd hate to have all the credit (of buying presents) go to some fat guy who doesn't exist.

 

 

 

Plus, it shatters them when they find out that Santa's not real.

 

I believe in Santa Claus, and I'm fourteen years old. I know the history of St. Nicholas, I know he's dead, but I believe Santa is just a coat-wearing spirit of Christmas. Who says it's lying? Are you never going to tell your children bedtime stories, for fear that they'll be traumatized if they never sell a cow for magical beans? If your four-year old daughter asks where babies come from, are you going to go into excruciating detail or just tell her a stork brought it?

 

 

 

Lies aren't evil.

 

 

 

The fairy tale analogy is poor. There's a difference between stories, and legends which you tell as truth. It's not the telling of the story I disagree with, but things like "Be good or Santa Claus won't come this year!". Even if you don't say that, the message is still there with Santa's naughty and nice list. It's cheap and lazy parenting. Same goes for the stork story, it's just a diversion to make things less uncomfortable for the parent. If you don't want your five year old knowing about the mechanics of sex then tell her that.

 

A child that young isn't going to care about your reasoning and will demand to know. Lying is just easier. Chances are, they aren't going to care or remember when their more mature anyways.

[Lateralus]

"Lying is just easier" is exactly what it comes down to, but that doesn't mean I'm at all comfortable about it. Like I said in my first post, things will most likely be different if/when I have children, but I'm retaining my idealism just now. I would feel cheap lying to my children in that way.

[NoMoreDead]

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Do you know what "the right context" could mean?

 

 

 

Provide me a set of events where child molestation has benefits.

 

 

 

This situation should be plausible, not filled with nonsense.

 

 

 

Please read my posts in this thread.

 

 

 

Please try again? I don't see your story becoming a reality in this millennium.

 

 

 

Okay, you didn't read my posts, you read a post, try again.

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Again, there is no situation you present. You simply say that just by adding the words "Benefits of ___" makes it have some sort of benefit to society or to the abused.

[RayOxide]

I agree with Lateralus, tbh.

 

I dont see the use of telling a lie cause you're too lazy or not strict enough to set some rules. "Stop bugging daddy/mummy or you're going to your room". Would grow up to be a well-aimed kid one day probably.

 

 

 

Also; telling them "Santa isnt real..." one day after like 6 years of believing so is kinda a WTF moment.

[Zierro]

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Do you know what "the right context" could mean?

 

 

 

Provide me a set of events where child molestation has benefits.

 

 

 

This situation should be plausible, not filled with nonsense.

 

 

 

Please read my posts in this thread.

 

 

 

Please try again? I don't see your story becoming a reality in this millennium.

 

 

 

Okay, you didn't read my posts, you read a post, try again.

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Again, there is no situation you present. You simply say that just by adding the words "Benefits of ___" makes it have some sort of benefit to society or to the abused.

 

 

 

Unrealistic scenarios are included in the word "anything". Maybe you should look the term up.

[Quoi_Tu]

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Do you know what "the right context" could mean?

 

 

 

Provide me a set of events where child molestation has benefits.

 

 

 

This situation should be plausible, not filled with nonsense.

 

 

 

Please read my posts in this thread.

 

 

 

Please try again? I don't see your story becoming a reality in this millennium.

 

 

 

Okay, you didn't read my posts, you read a post, try again.

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Again, there is no situation you present. You simply say that just by adding the words "Benefits of ___" makes it have some sort of benefit to society or to the abused.

 

Molest a child to save 10 people from being murdered? The 10 people have benefited from a child being molested. Not realistic, but creates a benefit from molesting a child.

[NoMoreDead]

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Do you know what "the right context" could mean?

 

 

 

Provide me a set of events where child molestation has benefits.

 

 

 

This situation should be plausible, not filled with nonsense.

 

 

 

Please read my posts in this thread.

 

 

 

Please try again? I don't see your story becoming a reality in this millennium.

 

 

 

Okay, you didn't read my posts, you read a post, try again.

[/hide]

 

 

 

Again, there is no situation you present. You simply say that just by adding the words "Benefits of ___" makes it have some sort of benefit to society or to the abused.

 

 

 

Unrealistic scenarios are included in the word "anything". Maybe you should look the term up.

 

 

 

I never mentioned to word "anything". I don't see what point your failing to make.

[purfishx]

I don't see what point your failing to make.

 

 

 

I love it.

[dragoonson]

I don't see what point your failing to make.

 

 

 

In which case;

 

 

 

The point

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your head

[Zierro]

I never mentioned to word "anything". I don't see what point your failing to make.

 

 

 

 

 

"The right context" can mean anything.

[purfishx]

I never mentioned to word "anything". I don't see what point your failing to make.

 

 

 

 

 

"The right context" can mean anything.

 

 

 

You lost me there.

[monkeyboo2]

Lying is fine. Just be prepared to accept any consequences that may come of it should you choose to lie. :)

 

 

 

( so basically if you lie, do it well)

 

 

 

Thats my policy :)

[Zierro]

I never mentioned to word "anything". I don't see what point your failing to make.

 

 

 

 

 

"The right context" can mean anything.

 

 

 

You lost me there.

 

 

 

Yeah things got pretty confusing for some reason.

 

 

 

My point is that "okay" is a pretty loose term. In the right situation, anything can be considered okay. Lying is a prime example of this. Sometimes it is okay to lie and sometimes it isn't.

[dsavi]

No, it isn't. Which isn't to say that I haven't done it myself, of course.

[aquariusman]

I believe that for the most common lies, there are always ways to avoid lying. The all-feared "Do I look fat?" can be solved by saying "You're beautiful.". Sometimes, lies are necessary, however they should never become a habit. Governments demonstrate this. Lie a few times, and you can save citizens. Keep up those lies, and you will just piss of your citizens and lose their trust.

[EdgedThesis]

situation:

 

 

 

*girl comes up to you*

 

girl: do u think im fat?

 

boy: well now that u do mention it, u r one fat-[wagon]!

 

 

 

truth. but wrong

 

 

 

*girl comes up to you*

 

girl: do u think im fat?

 

boy: ummm err no.

 

 

 

lie. but correct thing to do.

 

 

 

such white lies r okay but others rnt. however it doesnt mean that ppl wont tell lies :twisted: lies can get u out of trouble and in trouble. its a risk that ppl r willing to take :twisted:

 

 

 

What determines right or wrong there? Those responses can be viewed as what you say they are in the short-term.

 

 

 

But the long term?

 

 

 

Scenario:

 

 

 

"Come to think of it, you are indeed fat."

 

 

 

Her response?

 

 

 

"**** you!"

 

 

 

Maybe she will cry at this point. Impossible to tell. In the months to come, she begins to run and workout, in an attempt to spite heartless bastards like me. In the end, she becomes a healthier person, with enough self-esteem to determine her level of 'fatness' without relying on anybody else.

 

 

 

Scenario:

 

 

 

"No. You're not fat. You're thin, and beautiful."

 

 

 

Response?

 

 

 

"Why thank you. I will now proceed to eat this entire chocolate cake."

 

 

 

She will bask in the tide of flattery that you have just given her, and completely forget about the possibility that she is, indeed, fat. Even though the image in her mirror gives her doubts, she will be completely swayed by your lie.

 

In the years to come, her heartstrings, which once fluttered so happily after a certain false compliment, will be coated with cholesterol and will cease to strum. Death will take this innocent girl.

 

 

 

Sometimes, you have to be a cold bastard to get a proper outcome. Even though the scenarios I have presented are outrageous, it could happen.

 

If you tell a lie only to make yourself feel good, you're being selfish. Sometimes you have to be the center of all hate in order to make another person better.

 

 

 

You just cant tell with lies. Unpredictable material right there.

[ThurinEthir]

^^ Yep.

 

That's why though I'm honest when it's somewhat serious. Sometimes the cold hard truth is better than the sweet, poisonous lie.

[GGunitfan10]

Lying is only bad when there is real harm that can be done by them. Sometimes lying can even be a good thing when you're doing it to stop someone from being hurt.

 

 

 

Yes, some types of lying are good.

 

 

 

For example: If your mother is 9 months pregnant and she asks how she looks, you won't say that she looks like a cow.

 

 

 

I'm going to get the producers of Liar Liar to sue you.

 

That's just what ugly people say

[doomy]

Its okay unless its a real seirous situation, like in a court or something.

[Da_Latios]

Rule number 4 is: Lie only when something good can come out of it

 

 

 

Most of the time, I "Tell it like it is".

 

So as an example...

 

 

 

"Am I fat?"

 

"Yes, yes you are."

[dsavi]

That is the wrong answer.

[3rkid]

Lying is only bad when there is real harm that can be done by them. Sometimes lying can even be a good thing when you're doing it to stop someone from being hurt.

 

 

 

Yes, some types of lying are good.

 

 

 

For example: If your mother is 9 months pregnant and she asks how she looks, you won't say that she looks like a cow.

 

 

 

I'm going to get the producers of Liar Liar to sue you.

 

That's just what ugly people say

 

 

 

What...?

[BlackDawn]

Lying is fine in my opinion, as long as it's not too serious of course.

[Drazhor]

You have to lie sometimes, for either getting you out of a bad situation were the consequences can be DIRE, or just go have things going smoothly.

 

As long as it isn't a lie that will come back around and bite your [Cabbage] off ;)

 

 

 

Many of my lies have done this to me and Makes me lieka bti less and less -.-