11th June 2009 - Macro-detection systems update

[firecat318]

I was cutting yews a week back or so and there was a macroer. Hilariously he was just walking in an odd pattern for about... an hour straight and didn't do any cutting at all :lol:

 

 

 

Yeah thats funny when they do that, instead of clicking on the tree they click on the ground that looks the same color

[k1masato]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

[Toad]

Nice to see they're improving detection, I dont see 500000000 Clones attacking a tree anymore

[Danqazmlp]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

We have no idea how jagex detects macros, they probably use a different system than detecting your clicks. As they said, they have different ways of detecting macros, and can now detect every one on the market.

[magzar]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

 

 

 

mousekeys are slightly different than macros, as there is still room for movement outside the program.

 

 

 

The macro detection programs most likely look for repeated patterns in a player's action. That being said, I still don't recommend using them. Seems to be too big a risk for too little benefit.

[Silver_Corner]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

 

 

 

From what I remember from previous Jagex statments, "macroing" is defined as: something that does an action, and has the ability to have no input from the user to do that action.

 

 

 

Mousekeys are allowed because if you click with your mouse, or tap with your keyboard, it still requires the same amount of action from the user.

 

 

 

So as long as you are doing something on your keyboard or mouse to get an action to happen, its not macroing.

 

 

 

Edit: Another example is putting a paperwight on your arrow keys to keep the camera spinning. This IS macroing (just without a program) because it requires no interaction from the user for the action of staying logged in.

[Amundogus2]

Mom, de Jagex man is scary! :cry:

[Toad]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

We have no idea how jagex detects macros, they probably use a different system than detecting your clicks. As they said, they have different ways of detecting macros, and can now detect every one on the market.

 

 

 

They wont reveal how its done because then they can develop smarter macros, basically itll detect patterns in clicking, no wrong clicks, also precision isnt there, say a human would see a rock or a tree and just click it instantly a bot has to search it out, see keywords of tree, a person knows hey thats at tree, ima eat you foo'.

[Georgelemmons]

Tbh, that picture of Mil_Odedra's looks like a fake. They're in a members world, and it supposedly happened yesterday. Wouldn't that mean that there should be a summoning symbol near the minimap? I'm not blaming Mil at all, but I think somebody faked it.

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise, great job Jagex.

[Maleficus1055]

YAY! Hopefully my older brother will be banned, he autoed to 99 Fletching. I just really want to see him get what he deserves.

[Toad]

Tbh, that picture of Mil_Odedra's looks like a fake. They're in a members world, and it supposedly happened yesterday. Wouldn't that mean that there should be a summoning symbol near the minimap? I'm not blaming Mil at all, but I think somebody faked it.

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise, great job Jagex.

 

 

 

Have to do wolf whistle for the icon to appear.

 

 

 

YAY! Hopefully my older brother will be banned, he autoed to 99 Fletching. I just really want to see him get what he deserves.

 

 

 

Tough love Your brother will most likely feel the wrath of the banhammer.

[Wachtwoord]

I'm a bit confused though.. Wouldn't jagex see the use of Mousekeyes on their log as a Macroing Device? To my understand Mousekeys are allowed ( seen a couple threads on guide to mousekeys ), but I don't recall Jagex having an official statement on it. Can somebody clarify this for me please?

 

 

 

thanks!

 

I'm sure I've seen a conformation somewhere a long time ago, but I have no clue where.

[Amundogus2]

Tbh, that picture of Mil_Odedra's looks like a fake. They're in a members world, and it supposedly happened yesterday. Wouldn't that mean that there should be a summoning symbol near the minimap? I'm not blaming Mil at all, but I think somebody faked it.

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise, great job Jagex.

 

The Summoning icon doesn't appear until after Wolf Whistle, but the prayer icon doesn't look like the current one (although it's a bit bad quality on the picture, so I'm not sure), and in that case it's either faked OR happened before this weeks update which tweaked the prayer icon slightly.

[Karvinen]

There is no proof that the news are not just empty words. It is simply impossible to detect all cheats without false positives. Either lots of accounts are going to be banned for no reason or lots of cheats will be undetected.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

[Amundogus2]

There is no proof that the news are not just empty words. It is simply impossible to detect all cheats without false positives. Either lots of accounts are going to be banned for no reason or lots of cheats will be undetected.

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

 

That would be a justified lie then, scaring people from macroing.

[pulli23]

No chance to appeal?

 

 

 

Sigh, I quit for sure now once my subscription is over..

 

 

 

Really appealing isn't a service or anything: IT'S A NECESSARY FEATURE TO PREVENT AND REDUCE THE MISTAKES!

 

 

 

Really, without any chance to combat a decision by jagex HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE JAGEX MAKES A CORRECT DECISION? - This is outrageous, and completely against the spirit of being an open company - Actually if this is set through it's something consumer organizations should adress!

[Amundogus2]

No chance to appeal?

 

 

 

Sigh, I quit for sure now once my subscription is over..

 

 

 

Really appealing isn't a service or anything: IT'S A NECESSARY FEATURE TO PREVENT AND REDUCE THE MISTAKES!

 

 

 

Really, without any chance to combat a decision by jagex HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE JAGEX MAKES A CORRECT DECISION? - This is outrageous, and completely against the spirit of being an open company - Actually if this is set through it's something consumer organizations should adress!

 

If you read the newspost you would know they can detect any macro device and therefore will not ban people not using one.

[Dragonlordjl]

No chance to appeal?

 

 

 

Sigh, I quit for sure now once my subscription is over..

 

 

 

Really appealing isn't a service or anything: IT'S A NECESSARY FEATURE TO PREVENT AND REDUCE THE MISTAKES!

 

 

 

Really, without any chance to combat a decision by jagex HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE JAGEX MAKES A CORRECT DECISION? - This is outrageous, and completely against the spirit of being an open company - Actually if this is set through it's something consumer organizations should adress!

 

 

 

I agree. Being wrongly banned with no chance to overturn it borders on fraud, especially if you pre-paid Jagex for several months' worth of membership.

[Dragonlordjl]

No chance to appeal?

 

 

 

Sigh, I quit for sure now once my subscription is over..

 

 

 

Really appealing isn't a service or anything: IT'S A NECESSARY FEATURE TO PREVENT AND REDUCE THE MISTAKES!

 

 

 

Really, without any chance to combat a decision by jagex HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE JAGEX MAKES A CORRECT DECISION? - This is outrageous, and completely against the spirit of being an open company - Actually if this is set through it's something consumer organizations should adress!

 

If you read the newspost you would know they can detect any macro device and therefore will not ban people not using one.

 

 

 

If you're that naive, then I pity you. Every system makes mistakes-- there is an infinite amount of combinations between Jagex's bot detection system and any 3rd party programs you may be running. I personally know two people who have been wrongly banned for macroing, and one of them had it happen TWICE. No system is flawless. There is a reason that all courts have an appeals process-- without the ability to appeal something, your liberty is put in danger as without any cheques in power, a government teeters on the brink of fascism.

[joker2022]

Yay!!!!

 

 

 

3rd age and rares are finally gonna rise again!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Better buy them now when there cheep. More account bans coming... equals, items taken out of game = higher demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Toad]

Yay!!!!

 

 

 

3rd age and rares are finally gonna rise again!!!

 

 

 

 

 

Better buy them now when there cheep. More account bans coming... equals, items taken out of game = higher demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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whats to say people with 3rd age and rares macro?

[Omali]

No chance to appeal?

 

 

 

Sigh, I quit for sure now once my subscription is over..

 

 

 

Really appealing isn't a service or anything: IT'S A NECESSARY FEATURE TO PREVENT AND REDUCE THE MISTAKES!

 

 

 

Really, without any chance to combat a decision by jagex HOW DO WE KNOW FOR SURE JAGEX MAKES A CORRECT DECISION? - This is outrageous, and completely against the spirit of being an open company - Actually if this is set through it's something consumer organizations should adress!

 

 

 

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. By the way, you've been replaced by a new subscriber before you finished typing that message.

[Den]

Good to see they are still serious about the macroer theme. :

 

 

 

Keep racking them down.

[Bloodkay]

 

whats to say people with 3rd age and rares macro?

 

 

 

Example: Some idiot high leveled member bots during the night to collect magic logs and sells them. Goes out and buys a Purple party hat and then BAM! Banned like a boss.

 

One less Purple Party hat.

[haggisoflife]

There is no proof that the news are not just empty words.

 

 

 

There is also no proof that it isn't, cause it's not like they can publish a list of all the accounts that they banned and then give full disclouse of the details for us to review etc

 

 

 

imo they would only bother posting this if they want people to stop macroing as they are losing money from banning too many people. The post is aimed at discouraging players from cheating, rather than assuring people that cheaters will be banned like they did in the past. If they wanted to stop people quiting they would be all "oh we're keeping things safe for the honest player", so that people didn't walk with their memberships (which can come back to play). This is a lot more "We will find you so don't do it", cause they don't want to ban people for ever (who are much less likely to come back to play on a new account).

 

 

 

either way - if it means less bots then I'm happy \