Nerfing the 26k trick.

[Sir_Kurity]

Its either items or artifacts, at this point i find artifacts preferable.

[n64jive]

Nothing wrong with artifacts unless the game is flooded with them.

No, the game is flooded with money, which is what these artifacts represent.

 

 

 

Inflation is happening because everyone and their dog is 26king. However, if it goes back to an old system where people get cash from legit kills, where infact most people have to waste many supplies(food and potions), then inflation will be no more. So artifacts are not the problem. The fact that they can be obtained without losing anything is the problem.

 

 

 

To be completely honest, the runescape pvp system will never be as good as it was back in rsc. Sure, it requred a completely different class to pk(the pure), however it easily separated the good pker from the poor pker.

 

 

 

Now what you get is a bunch of people standing around edge wilderness hoping for a KO and running when they run out of food(it's much too easy to escape),,

[walka92]

Its either items or artifacts, at this point i find artifacts preferable.

 

why? when it was items like whip, dfs etc, it didnt actually bring much more money into the economy, which is what the artifacts do, and is much worse, really.

[NukeMarine]

Step back and realize the big problem: Nobody is actually "risking" 75k while they're standing around getting EP. If constantly getting EP were an actual risk, would the system be broken?

 

 

 

How would you change the game so that someone that steps into a Hot Zone risking 75K gp actually has a good chance to lose it if the player's not prepared. In addition, the risk must come from players and not the game. Create that situation, and you fix this 26k problem.

 

 

 

Seriously, would any of you moan if the person that built up 100 EP had lost 750k gp due to being killed 10 times while trying to achieve it?

[smoressoccer]

make single areas require more wealth you have to risk. make multi areas require less. disable teleports. easy.

[bedman]

Its either items or artifacts, at this point i find artifacts preferable.

 

why? when it was items like whip, dfs etc, it didnt actually bring much more money into the economy, which is what the artifacts do, and is much worse, really.

 

Yes, but it destroyed monster hunting and minigames like mage arena. Now its just a disadvantage for people who had a lot of cash before this update, because there buying power has gone down.

[NukeMarine]

make single areas require more wealth you have to risk. make multi areas require less. disable teleports. easy.

 

 

 

The amount being risked is irrelevant. It can be 100k and people will still do the 26k trick cause they're not losing 75k gp when they're building up EP. You have to make a way that there's a reasonably good chance that players will lose 75k gp at a minimum if they try to earn EP.

 

 

 

Disabling Teleport is one way, but on PvP worlds that's a BIG annoyance to inflict on players. It's doable, but there'd be an outcry about it. (PS I think it's a good idea). Another is some way to prevent teleporting while in combat BESIDES teleblock. If you can teleport at level 25, then people that low should be able to stop you from teleporting and not a level 85 mage.

 

 

 

I still think another is to let you easily find players that are building EP, then get some sort of reward for killing them.

 

 

 

In addition, Jagex should track how much cash/items are being lost to player kills on PvP worlds. It should balance rewards against that to prevent inflation.

[n64jive]

make single areas require more wealth you have to risk. make multi areas require less. disable teleports. easy.

 

 

 

The amount being risked is irrelevant. It can be 100k and people will still do the 26k trick cause they're not losing 75k gp when they're building up EP. You have to make a way that there's a reasonably good chance that players will lose 75k gp at a minimum if they try to earn EP.

 

 

 

Disabling Teleport is one way, but on PvP worlds that's a BIG annoyance to inflict on players. It's doable, but there'd be an outcry about it. (PS I think it's a good idea). Another is some way to prevent teleporting while in combat BESIDES teleblock. If you can teleport at level 25, then people that low should be able to stop you from teleporting and not a level 85 mage.

 

 

 

I still think another is to let you easily find players that are building EP, then get some sort of reward for killing them.

 

 

 

In addition, Jagex should track how much cash/items are being lost to player kills on PvP worlds. It should balance rewards against that to prevent inflation.

 

 

 

Interesting solutions, however remember that there are inherant flaws that you might not think of. For instance, if rewards balance out, then it could be possible that people would still 26k in hopes to get the dragon claws(or a piece of it) that some poor sap just lost, and pkers would still end up getting screwed.

 

 

 

I like your suggestions, but people need to remember that it's not an easy fix.

[Ace6470]

I believe it has been nerfed somehow for some players.

 

 

 

I got less than 250k loot for 7 26kings from 100-0 in a row.

 

I don't think that's a coincidence or me being extremely unlucky.

 

 

 

A lot of people also say they got less valuable rewards that they used to get.

[Master_Smither]

I believe it has been nerfed somehow for some players.

 

 

 

I got less than 250k loot for 7 26kings from 100-0 in a row.

 

I don't think that's a coincidence or me being extremely unlucky.

 

 

 

A lot of people also say they got less valuable rewards that they used to get.

 

 

 

I can tell you with 100% confidence it has not been nerfed.

[n64jive]

I believe it has been nerfed somehow for some players.

 

 

 

I got less than 250k loot for 7 26kings from 100-0 in a row.

 

I don't think that's a coincidence or me being extremely unlucky.

 

 

 

A lot of people also say they got less valuable rewards that they used to get.

 

 

 

I've been as low as 500k before update, which is pretty rare...I'm sure yours is just extremely unlucky. I got 2m from 1 target kill, where 1.3m was statues...so

[Sir_Kurity]

That or he isnt level 130, and therefore dosent get insanely good drops.

[n64jive]

That or he isnt level 130, and therefore dosent get insanely good drops.

 

 

 

I'm only 121 :)...

[Sir_Kurity]

I was exaggerating.

[Lakitsym_Rose]

I think it's fine the way it is, but the exp idea sounds good. The other doesn't as some people(like me) can't PK.

 

Then why the [bleep] are you in BH/PvP?

 

 

 

How do you people not realize that this wasn't created so skillers could make extra money. This was created for PK'ers, the same people who TIF loves [bleep]ing about, could PK and pay off their gear+make a bit of money. 26'king is [bleep]ing pathetic. Altogether.

[sparky1_2007]

tbh, i was 26king and made a ton of money off of it, but right now, im finding it more enjoyable to pk for my loot, since MHing isnt as fun as it used to be :|

 

 

 

i mean, my whole clan that is based off of god wars dungeon doesnt even GWD anymore, because it's more profitible to 26k/pvp than it is to go to sara for 4 hour trips in hopes of a 10m split or even 1.5m split.

[walka92]

tbh, i was 26king and made a ton of money off of it, but right now, im finding it more enjoyable to pk for my loot, since MHing isnt as fun as it used to be :|

 

 

 

i mean, my whole clan that is based off of god wars dungeon doesnt even GWD anymore, because it's more profitible to 26k/pvp than it is to go to sara for 4 hour trips in hopes of a 10m split or even 1.5m split.

 

hell my last 4 10+ hr trips only gave me one ss :\ yet i made more money in 2 hrs of EP and 26king

[dast]

i kinda had an idea, dont know if any posted something similar didnt feel like reading 15 pages :? .

 

that the way ep is gained stays the same but howmuch is used for a drop and you lose per kill is put into brackets.

 

exp. 250k stake and under 0%-10%

 

500k-1mil 11%-20%

 

ect.

 

but that it takes the time you are fighting till the last sec and takes the average of that, so that if you activate protect item and your stake drops 100k or so it takes that into account and also that there is a penalty for using that prayer.

[PlzPuddngPlz]

Because people will die with like, 200k, and drop like 50k, with only a small chance of 200k.

 

 

 

PVP dies, people riot, jagex goes oh ****.

 

 

 

Just like the "we pay we pk" riot a couple years ago?

[Golvellius]

Seems to me that the only thing that needs to removed is the ability to hug each other doing minimal damage to each other without fear of really being attacked.

 

In that case, jagex could always make a timer that lasts maybe 1 minute, then anybody could break up a fight.

 

People like me would then solve your problem.

 

There is nothing more entertaining than taking just a dagger or a seercull with 1 rune arrow and some bronze and just intimidating people.

 

Shoot mages in the back, tag rushers in flight, hound people just sitting there.

 

Die come back, die come back, die come back.... quite entertaining.

 

Don't worry us "noobs" will take care of the too easy money part. ;)

[Zepheras]

Just limit the possible droplist of artefacts, based on the risked wealth of your kill.

 

 

 

26k, up to the 100k artefact

 

50k, up to the 200k artefact

 

1million, up to the 5million artefact

 

 

 

 

 

Even if it's not the perfect solution, it's better than having EVERYONE possibly get a Zaros Statuette just by risking 26k, isn't it? :|

 

 

 

I like the fact that you are thinking of idea's to stop 26king, but all this does is make the value your partner would have to lose higher. If I risk 26k and I gain 2m, or if I risk 1m and I gain 5m...see what I'm saying.. Also, I think as of now, the lower level you are, the lower your chance of gaining a zaros statue

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The word partner applies only if you're tricking. For a normal PKer, this means that he just needs to kill a better armed target for a better reward. Just based on this table alone, I dare say that no one in their right minds would find a partner who's willing to lose a million worth of items/coins, greatly limiting players from generating 5million coins in a single artefact.

 

 

 

1. If you're going to do a 1 million tricking, you're not going be assured of a profit within 5 kills. That doesn't hurt a PKer who kills normally, from easy targets with 26k worth of risk to people in veracs who failed to protect their helms.

 

 

 

2. You can't pay people to trick with you due to trade limit, hence the only way is to find willing friends. That alone can eliminate tons of trickers.

 

 

 

 

 

The problem now is that risking 26k can have a possible payout of 5 million. That means you can try at least 192 kills, and unless you're getting nothing out of those 192 kills, you'll start making a loss then.

 

 

 

Which is practically impossible.

 

 

 

They are currently only limiting the drop rate of the better artefacts based on combat levels, which clearly isn't sufficient.

[Sucu]

Sure feels nerfed. Just got 50% EP removed and only got a farseer and rune sword #-o. Yesterday, I did 26king from 100%-0% 4 times and out of 4 times none of the drops managed to accumlate over 700k total.

 

 

 

I guess I'm terribly unlucky. I get better drops rushing on my pure

[Punitive_D]

How about this: No drop from killing anyone who's ever been on your friend's list or anyone whom you've pm'ed?

[Master_Smither]

How about this: No drop from killing anyone who's ever been on your friend's list or anyone whom you've pm'ed?

 

 

 

People DM their friends all the time and why do they not deserve a drop? Not to mention there are plenty of tricking cc's to use and you could never add the person to trick with them.

[Tesset]

How about this: No drop from killing anyone who's ever been on your friend's list or anyone whom you've pm'ed?

 

They don't have records for every single person on who they've had on their friends list, and even if they started now, that would take so much memory it wouldn't work.