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[energico]

350M is a lot of cash regardless of how much he has total, and again, it was unneeded at the time he lost it.

 

 

 

If Bill Gates carried 1/4 of his money into a dark alley and was robbed, I'm sure he would be pretty upset.

 

 

 

Either way, the player shouldn't of had his cash on him, that's stupid and unneeded. Jagex should have never let a bug like that happen, but again if the player hadn't had his cash unnecessarily on him it wouldn't have happened -.-

 

 

 

 

 

The question I ask: How could the player have prevented this?

 

 

 

First of all, this was a new mini-game that was JUST released. How was he supposed to know that he wouldn't need money? Maybe someone just offered to buy his Blue Phat and he hadn't banked the cash yet? You don't know, so you can't make claims as to how necessary it was that he had the money on him at the time. You are simply ignorant, and you are trying to argue with your opinion which is logically invalid.

 

 

 

Second, who are you to decide when players are and are not allowed to carry cash around? It's every player's decision as to when and where they take their money. The bottom line here is that there was NO KNOWN risk involved. There is no PvP or PvM combat involved and no other way to lose money in a safe area.

 

 

 

I'm sure that Exile wouldn't walk around with 350M on a PvP world. Why? Because there is a KNOWN risk. He lost the money during the TUTORIAL, where he was learning about the new minigame.

 

 

 

This is not the player's fault. This was simply just bad programming. But what should we expect from JaGeX?

[Michaael]

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350M is a lot of cash regardless of how much he has total, and again, it was unneeded at the time he lost it.

 

 

 

If Bill Gates carried 1/4 of his money into a dark alley and was robbed, I'm sure he would be pretty upset.

 

 

 

Either way, the player shouldn't of had his cash on him, that's stupid and unneeded. Jagex should have never let a bug like that happen, but again if the player hadn't had his cash unnecessarily on him it wouldn't have happened -.-

 

 

 

 

 

The question I ask: How could the player have prevented this?

 

 

 

First of all, this was a new mini-game that was JUST released. How was he supposed to know that he wouldn't need money? Maybe someone just offered to buy his Blue Phat and he hadn't banked the cash yet? You don't know, so you can't make claims as to how necessary it was that he had the money on him at the time. You are simply ignorant, and you are trying to argue with your opinion which is logically invalid.

 

 

 

Second, who are you to decide when players are and are not allowed to carry cash around? It's every player's decision as to when and where they take their money. The bottom line here is that there was NO KNOWN risk involved. There is no PvP or PvM combat involved and no other way to lose money in a safe area.

 

 

 

I'm sure that Exile wouldn't walk around with 350M on a PvP world. Why? Because there is a KNOWN risk. He lost the money during the TUTORIAL, where he was learning about the new minigame.

 

 

 

This is not the player's fault. This was simply just bad programming. But what should we expect from JaGeX?

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All I was saying is that with the given information, he had ABSOLUTELY NO LOGICAL REASON to be carrying that much cash in a minigame requiring no gold.

 

 

 

If we're going to talk logic, just about every single update for the past few months has had major bugs, what's logical in the slightest about taking your cash to a brand new place with (probably) unseen bugs? It should have been worry free, but updates are known for bugs, come on.

 

 

 

Sure, he could have been buying a phat or whatever, and I'm not at all saying that players can or cannot carry cash. I'm just saying 1) given the information he provided in his post, 2) the number of insane and massive bugs that come hidden with updates; carrying 350,000,000 GP to the brand new update was not a smart move.

 

 

 

Now, what should Jagex do? If they're certain that he lost it, I really believe they should return it. It's their fault. If you give an inch, they go a mile though.

 

 

 

What would be best IMO is if they replaced it in his bank, and sent a PM apologising, but warning if word got out concerning the replacement that they would take the GP back.

[Zepheras]

The irony here is that the people who are agreeing that RuneScape is going downhill, that updates are useless, that his or her good old days were better, isn't going to quit anytime soon as well. I'm pretty sure that in a few months' time I'll still be seeing the same few people with hundreds and thousands of tiptit forum posts hanging around here, complaining about the same thing.

 

 

 

 

 

If the game really bothers you that much, you should take a break.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I do notice, is that ever since the HD graphics update, game content has been taking a lot longer than usual, as well as increasing in complexity. Graphical glitches and bugs are a common sight nowadays. And that's inevitable, because the standard in gaming rises as time passes. Maybe you aren't noticing it, but if tomorrow a new quest with a standard like Clocktower/Imp catcher/Fight Arena gets added to the game, you can sure that Jagex would be flamed to ashes in less than an hour.

[999134]

What I do notice, is that ever since the HD graphics update, game content has been taking a lot longer than usual, as well as increasing in complexity. Graphical glitches and bugs are a common sight nowadays. And that's inevitable, because the standard in gaming rises as time passes. Maybe you aren't noticing it, but if tomorrow a new quest with a standard like Clocktower/Imp catcher/Fight Arena gets added to the game, you can sure that Jagex would be flamed to ashes in less than an hour.

 

 

 

whats wrong with fight arena. interesting storyline (although not that big admittedly) and a nice exp reward which anyone can get.

[n64jive]

So if instead he had his blue partyhat in his inventory, and it was removed, he should be blamed for losing it? and not Jagex? I disagree. Like really...disagree.

 

 

 

There is a lot of stupid things you can do in this game, but being held accountable for a bug just because you were doing something entirely pointless is wrong.

 

 

 

Let's say a bug popped into the game next update, that if you walked over a certain sqaure, then your entire inventory would be removed. Then does it become Jagex's issue? and if so, why is this different?

 

 

 

Obviously nothing can happen of it, but I'm pretty distraught over the fact that most of you continue to bash the player for being "dumb"..it's not his fault, quit blaming him. It's one of those instances of life where it sucks, but you just have to grit your teeth and take it. Thank god he informed the community so it didn't happen to more people. You show your thanks by calling him an idiot?

[Michaael]

Not calling him an idiot, but I fail to see the logic or need to bring 350,000,000 GP to a brand new minigame in light of how many major bugs come with just about every update these days.

 

 

 

It's Jagex's problem by every viewpoint possible, but players need to be more careful too. It may be a safe minigame in itself, but anyone checking out a new update needs to be cautious.

[khandajatt]

kk no flaming at mod mat k its not his freaking fault and tell me why would you carry 350mill with you when the bank is like 5 feet away from cadet mal and do you really think you need 350 for a mini game, and plus no rollback just for 50 or so ppl lost their stuff and next time when a update comes you better think twice bringing 350mill with you, updates are not 100% safe just remember that for next time

[n64jive]

kk no flaming at mod mat k its not his freaking fault and tell me why would you carry 350mill with you when the bank is like 5 feet away from cadet mal and do you really think you need 350 for a mini game, and plus no rollback just for 50 or so ppl lost their stuff and next time when a update comes you better think twice bringing 350mill with you, updates are not 100% safe just remember that for next time

 

 

 

if it happened to you, you wouldn't think the same thing. The difference is he has a lot of money. I only have 10m cash, so for me to carry around 5m is not out of the ordinary, yet it's half my gp.

[khandajatt]

kk no flaming at mod mat k its not his freaking fault and tell me why would you carry 350mill with you when the bank is like 5 feet away from cadet mal and do you really think you need 350 for a mini game, and plus no rollback just for 50 or so ppl lost their stuff and next time when a update comes you better think twice bringing 350mill with you, updates are not 100% safe just remember that for next time

 

 

 

if it happened to you, you wouldn't think the same thing. The difference is he has a lot of money. I only have 10m cash, so for me to carry around 5m is not out of the ordinary, yet it's half my gp.

 

its highly unlike to happen to me, if i had that much money i would probably bank it, not to mention not planning on spenting it on the mini game

[n64jive]

kk no flaming at mod mat k its not his freaking fault and tell me why would you carry 350mill with you when the bank is like 5 feet away from cadet mal and do you really think you need 350 for a mini game, and plus no rollback just for 50 or so ppl lost their stuff and next time when a update comes you better think twice bringing 350mill with you, updates are not 100% safe just remember that for next time

 

 

 

if it happened to you, you wouldn't think the same thing. The difference is he has a lot of money. I only have 10m cash, so for me to carry around 5m is not out of the ordinary, yet it's half my gp.

 

its highly unlike to happen to me, if i had that much money i would probably bank it, not to mention not planning on spenting it on the mini game

 

 

 

If you had a godsword in your inventory and it was removed, it's your fault then.

[jettrider]

Some facts:

 

 

 

-The Knowledge Base article said it was a completely safe minigame, and there are direct teleports to it

 

-You have to "invest" items into the game, but if you're just starting you don't really know how, and might bring valuable things to try out

 

-It's not like he was walking into a lair with lots of high-level beasts; he was doing a simple tutorial for a simple strategy minigame.

 

 

 

Whatever anyone says, it was a horrible glitch that should never have made its way into the game. If you saw an update saying "New high-level dungeon released," you would go in minimal gear to check it out if you had no knowledge. If you see an update advertising "a safe strategy game where you buy troops to fight for you," and there is a direct teleport there, you should not have to worry about anything you're carrying. Also, it's not as if he forgot a teleport while going to somewhere dangerous, it just happened.

 

 

 

When's the last time you died to high-level monsters you could have avoided?

 

When's the last time you lost your items due to logging out while playing the game?

 

I thought so.

[Myweponsg00d]

Not calling him an idiot, but I fail to see the logic or need to bring 350,000,000 GP to a brand new minigame in light of how many major bugs come with just about every update these days.

 

 

 

It's Jagex's problem by every viewpoint possible, but players need to be more careful too. It may be a safe minigame in itself, but anyone checking out a new update needs to be cautious.

 

 

 

There isn't any logical reason TO DO it, but there really isn't (or shouldn't be) a reason to NOT do it either. You are saying that, in light of all the bugs, you should never carry valuables around when the game is updated. I agree with this. But, I still don't think that the player is at fault, because some people still trust Jagex to release bug free content. They lost MY trust a long time ago, and it pushed me to quit the game. Obviously, many other people have not left the game (obviously), so there is a clear level of "trust" that different people have when new updates come out.

 

 

 

To you and me, it might seem stupid for anybody to be carrying something unecessary into a new mini game, even if it is supposed to be safe. However, there are some people who have not gotten to the point yet where they expect every update to have an enormous unfair glitch. It was never this way in the past, and theres no reason for it to be this way now.

 

 

 

Also, I can understand somebody trusting in the quality of this update, because it was delayed for a good 6-7 months. Something that has been in its finishing stages for that long should really have all its problems ironed out, and I do not blame anyone for thinking that it would be okay to carry around whatever items they felt like.

[MirageOfDeath]

What's sad is some people are still sticking up for Jagex no matter how bad they screw up.

[n64jive]

What's sad is some people are still sticking up for Jagex no matter how bad they screw up.

 

 

 

Very sad indeed.

[Michaael]

Myweponsg00d -

 

 

 

We shouldn't be afraid of new content, but that's just where we're at I guess....

 

 

 

I feel for the guy who lost his stuff, it could have happened to any of us. I'm not blaming him at all, I think Jagex is 100% in the wrong, but I think this goes as a lesson for all of us to not carry things we care about around or even check out new content within hours of release

[energico]

Not calling him an idiot, but I fail to see the logic or need to bring 350,000,000 GP to a brand new minigame in light of how many major bugs come with just about every update these days.

 

 

 

It's Jagex's problem by every viewpoint possible, but players need to be more careful too. It may be a safe minigame in itself, but anyone checking out a new update needs to be cautious.

 

 

 

It wasn't Exile's responsibility to be careful while exploring the new mini-game. It's JaGeX's responsibility to make sure that they don't publish new content until they have determined that it is bug-free. Obviously, they failed. Big time.

 

 

 

What you're trying to say is that Exile wasn't wary enough. He was careless, and his money disappeared as a result of HIS carelessness. The problem in your argument is that Mobilising Armies is a SAFE MINI-GAME. There is no care that needs to be taken when playing safe mini-games.

 

 

 

The point I'm trying to make is that JaGeX is at fault. It is their responsibility to provide the content as they describe it. In this case, the mini-game was, at a time, NOT safe. According to the official RuneScape manual, this mini-game is labeled, by JaGeX, to be safe. Therefore, in this situation, many players had been given false information.

 

 

 

It doesn't matter whether he should've had the money or not. That's not for you to decide, oh holy one. It's up to him when and where to take his money, and in this case he took some of his money with him to a SAFE mini-game. The problem is that JaGeX unintentionally lied and actually produced an UNSAFE mini-game.

 

 

 

But the worst thing about this whole situation is how Mod Mat K treated Exile. He acted as if Exile was a noob, fresh from the early days of F2P-ing, looking for a quick pile of cash. In summary, JaGeX mistreated Exile, without any reason to. What happened on that thread was unacceptable, and nobody can honestly say that JaGeX is an honorable company after what occured.

[Lowgravity]

Maybe Jagex should just never release any new updates because there might be a game breaking bug in them :roll:

[Master_Smither]

There are two sides to this problem: It's either his fault of Jagexs' fault. I realy don't see how this could have possibly gone this far, it will get you nowhere besides maybe a high post count. We know Jagexs' stance on stuff like this and it is he will never get that gold back nor will anyone else who lost items due to a flaw in the system Jagex claimed to have tested.

[Laura]

Maybe Jagex should just never release any new updates because there might be a game breaking bug in them :roll:

Erm, that's not what people are saying.

[Range_This11]

So basically what the argument is, is that players should be ready for a bug in a declared safe mini-game instead of Jagex's quality control team getting their marbles together and testing. Why should players have to change the way they play something new when it's Jagex's job to fix it all before it's released.

 

 

 

Whoever claims that people need to "beware" of new content because of possible bugs is a fool. Jagex should just get their crap together instead.

[swordwarior]

Maybe Jagex should just never release any new updates because there might be a game breaking bug in them :roll:

 

 

 

Really? Taking it there?

 

 

 

I honestly can't understand why Jagex are updating as they are. There was a time, although seeming longer and longer ago, that they could release an update bug free. Now they have taken out the things they felt rushed their content in order to release better content and they still can't get it right. I love this game, but im feeling as if their new game(mechscape) will be there only concern soon despite what they say. :|

[Sir_Kurity]

Maybe they should get proper QA testing first.

[Lets_3ekout]

So basically what the argument is, is that players should be ready for a bug in a declared safe mini-game instead of Jagex's quality control team getting their marbles together and testing. Why should players have to change the way they play something new when it's Jagex's job to fix it all before it's released.

 

 

 

Whoever claims that people need to "beware" of new content because of possible bugs is a fool. Jagex should just get their crap together instead.

 

How many programs have you coded? If you ever get into programming you would understand Jagex's position much better. Bug-proofing something is a much greater feat than you realise. It's very easy to look at it now and think "Wow, how'd they miss that", but when your testing team is in the 10's and your active player base is in the 10,000's, testing every possible scenario with all of RuneScape's possibilities is a bit crazy.

 

 

 

It's more common sense. Everyone would like to feel perfect safety in RuneScape, but it's not realistic. Just because Jagex said it was safe doesn't mean it is. If someone jumped off a bridge, would you? In the same sense, if someone told you to jump of a bridge, would you? Common sense can take you a long way in more places than just life.

 

 

 

Jagex clearly stated, multiple times over many months that this was to be something completely new. Someone who disregards the possibility of a bug completely, is little more than a fool, I'm afraid.

[Sir_Kurity]

Yes, bug proofing is HARD.

 

 

 

Nevertheless, they should give the money back from there fails in programming.

 

 

 

I guarantee that if you lost 300 mill due to some glitch to the GE or something when it came out, your whole outlook would be different.

[Range_This11]

 

How many programs have you coded? If you ever get into programming you would understand Jagex's position much better. Bug-proofing something is a much greater feat than you realise. It's very easy to look at it now and think "Wow, how'd they miss that", but when your testing team is in the 10's and your active player base is in the 10,000's, testing every possible scenario with all of RuneScape's possibilities is a bit crazy.

 

 

 

It's more common sense. Everyone would like to feel perfect safety in RuneScape, but it's not realistic. Just because Jagex said it was safe doesn't mean it is. If someone jumped off a bridge, would you? In the same sense, if someone told you to jump of a bridge, would you? Common sense can take you a long way in more places than just life.

 

 

 

Jagex clearly stated, multiple times over many months that this was to be something completely new. Someone who disregards the possibility of a bug completely, is little more than a fool, I'm afraid.

 

Blatant Strawman argument. So in that sense, your post pretty much loses all of its argumentative power, but I'll address it anyways.

 

 

 

You have a good point in that you can't simulate a mass of average players and every scenario, but that's why when your new mini-game robs an average player of a 350m cashpile, you give it back. They've admitted fault, but not done anything about it. Jagex should tell players that they can't risk valuable items in new content otherwise the blame lies with Jagex, not the player.