3rd Age/Spirit shields/Phats Discussion

[Sir_Kurity]

If anything, only the wreath holds merit

for having the highest prayer in the headslot.

Second-highest, if halos count. (And I would argue that they do.)

Halos technically have no prayer bonus. :thumbup:

 

But yea, true. Halos only take what, 100 hours to get on average. As opposed to the ridiculous price for wreath now which with phats as a street price would be worth far, far more than 100 hours.

 

Then again, none of these new items are ever wanted for the stats =D

[stonewall337]

IMO merchers sell most of the phats. Merchant sells phat for items A, B and C, and rebuys from another player for A and B.

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

Here's a fact: you're a tool. For the evidence to back that up, I present you with..

 

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

 

No, I'm actually a pre-law student. As such, opinions, without either observation, proof, evidence, etc, mean NOTHING to me, nor do they add anything to this thread. Your opinion without basis is WORTHLESS here. This is a FACT thread, an OBSERVATION thread, and any OPINION should have something to back it up. Not just an IMO. As such, show WHY you think so, or I'l say again, its your opinion, and I won't even consider it without some reason WHY I should do so.

 

For example, I know blue party hat is the most valuable phat. I can see that from forums, w2, the GE graph (Which only relates to GE price not street) as well as cheating sites where people pay far more for a blue then for a purple. As such, I can back up my observation.

 

Your opinion has numerous logical issues. First, what do you mean by merchant? Most people mis define merchent as anyone who uses the GE to make money, eg manipulators, etc. They aren't all the same. Merchents work on supply and demand, as well as the ability to "snipe" certain items.

 

As well, there is another logical flaw, saturation. Phat trades aren't rare. If they happened as you said, soon the merchents would own so many Phats that no more would be traded in even close to similar numbers to what they currently are. Etc etc. In short, what you describe is NOT how the market works, and although you may have an opinion that says so, your opinion is WRONG. There are opinions, "Castle wars is a more fun activity then slayer" "Fire surge is the coolest looking spell". Then there are FACTS. "Extreme potions are more powerful then super potions" "The Whip is better to slay with then the dragon mace, after 70 attack". Etc.

 

I could go into more reasons, but there shouldn't be any need to at this point.

[TheAncient]

stonewall, correct me if im wrong, but basically i think you mean:

don't post unfounded opinions on this thread

rather, post statements which are founded on logic and evidence

 

which still, i think, can be opinions, just not unfounded and meaningless ones.

[Bladewing]

yeah, we want to see observations like:

 

"it seems edibles are bought out again"

 

and not opinions like:

 

"merchers r dum and in 2 weeks phats will be 5m cuz they r junk"

[Stev]

Stone, think about ti this way...

 

Elysians were huge merchanting tools. Merchanters bought them to sell them minutes / hours / days later for more then they paid. They have no interest in holding them for lengthy periods of time.

 

Then there's the public. I busted my ass for an Elysian. I no-lifed TDs for ages to be able to buy it the only way I could.. Off a merchanter who wanted double it's GE value. People (The public) do the same for phats. After spending so much time to get them and making the money for them, we have no interest in selling. Ever.

 

In that respect, I fully support i_D_r's opinion.

 

You could use the RSOF as an example. You'll see user X buying an Ely / Phat. Shortly after they get it, you see a thread by that same player, or they stand at the GE, selling the item for more. The public who want these items will hold them because they've worked hard for them.

 

All the time at the GE, you see player X with some phats. The very next day, they've got different phats / divines / etc because they don't keep them.

[Sir_Kurity]

Well yea, merchanting is kinda to increase your cash pile.

[All_Is_Great]

IMO merchers sell most of the phats. Merchant sells phat for items A, B and C, and rebuys from another player for A and B.

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

Here's a fact: you're a tool. For the evidence to back that up, I present you with..

 

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

 

No, I'm actually a pre-law student. As such, opinions, without either observation, proof, evidence, etc, mean NOTHING to me, nor do they add anything to this thread. Your opinion without basis is WORTHLESS here. This is a FACT thread, an OBSERVATION thread, and any OPINION should have something to back it up. Not just an IMO. As such, show WHY you think so, or I'l say again, its your opinion, and I won't even consider it without some reason WHY I should do so.

 

For example, I know blue party hat is the most valuable phat. I can see that from forums, w2, the GE graph (Which only relates to GE price not street) as well as cheating sites where people pay far more for a blue then for a purple. As such, I can back up my observation.

 

Your opinion has numerous logical issues. First, what do you mean by merchant? Most people mis define merchent as anyone who uses the GE to make money, eg manipulators, etc. They aren't all the same. Merchents work on supply and demand, as well as the ability to "snipe" certain items.

 

As well, there is another logical flaw, saturation. Phat trades aren't rare. If they happened as you said, soon the merchents would own so many Phats that no more would be traded in even close to similar numbers to what they currently are. Etc etc. In short, what you describe is NOT how the market works, and although you may have an opinion that says so, your opinion is WRONG. There are opinions, "Castle wars is a more fun activity then slayer" "Fire surge is the coolest looking spell". Then there are FACTS. "Extreme potions are more powerful then super potions" "The Whip is better to slay with then the dragon mace, after 70 attack". Etc.

 

I could go into more reasons, but there shouldn't be any need to at this point.

 

Someone needs to stop talking like they're on top of the world :roll: And calm down a little.

[i_D_r]

IMO merchers sell most of the phats. Merchant sells phat for items A, B and C, and rebuys from another player for A and B.

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

Here's a fact: you're a tool. For the evidence to back that up, I present you with..

 

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

 

No, I'm actually a pre-law student. As such, opinions, without either observation, proof, evidence, etc, mean NOTHING to me, nor do they add anything to this thread. Your opinion without basis is WORTHLESS here. This is a FACT thread, an OBSERVATION thread, and any OPINION should have something to back it up. Not just an IMO. As such, show WHY you think so, or I'l say again, its your opinion, and I won't even consider it without some reason WHY I should do so.

 

For example, I know blue party hat is the most valuable phat. I can see that from forums, w2, the GE graph (Which only relates to GE price not street) as well as cheating sites where people pay far more for a blue then for a purple. As such, I can back up my observation.

 

Your opinion has numerous logical issues. First, what do you mean by merchant? Most people mis define merchent as anyone who uses the GE to make money, eg manipulators, etc. They aren't all the same. Merchents work on supply and demand, as well as the ability to "snipe" certain items.

 

As well, there is another logical flaw, saturation. Phat trades aren't rare. If they happened as you said, soon the merchents would own so many Phats that no more would be traded in even close to similar numbers to what they currently are. Etc etc. In short, what you describe is NOT how the market works, and although you may have an opinion that says so, your opinion is WRONG. There are opinions, "Castle wars is a more fun activity then slayer" "Fire surge is the coolest looking spell". Then there are FACTS. "Extreme potions are more powerful then super potions" "The Whip is better to slay with then the dragon mace, after 70 attack". Etc.

 

I could go into more reasons, but there shouldn't be any need to at this point.

 

Um that wasn't me that called you a tool.

 

I'm not saying you gotta agree (everything on here is IMO but i specifically typed that acronym), I just stated something based on some passive random observations, as stated in my following post.

 

I'm not about to do statistical analysis to back up my opinion, nor will I try to define a normative term (at least in RS) such as merchanting.

 

I do think I'm right, but it'd be cool if someone did have the time to gather some sample data (perhaps interviewing) for inferential purposes.

[Sir_Kurity]

Um that wasn't me that called you a tool.

 

ROFL!

 

Epic win.

[DyingSilent]

I kinda laughed at FindYourFate's comment on Stonewall's apparant overuse of commas because when I look at Stonewall's post I only see comma's where they're needed which is where he uses multiple examples and I don't see how that even really applies to this discussion since as far as we're concerned this thread is about RuneScape and not grammar and to be honest I think Stonewall used comma's appropriately because if he hadn't you would have a really really really really long sentence like the one I just typed that is hard to read and by far the worst run-on I've ever written in my life.

 

*DEEP BREATH*

 

And since when do comma's even have the ability to be "incorrect." There isn't really a right comma and a wrong comma... :rolleyes:

 

 

 

 

Much needed unspam: Fury kits are dropping, as Blade mentioned, about 80m street right now. They should pick up a tiny bit during the weekend though, as that's the usual trend.

 

Also, anyone have thoughts on Divine prices after it updates in GE, as far as street goes?

[Rosanante1]

Also, Mr Smarty-Pants, 'etc' should only be used after three consecutive examples.

 

Pedantic Fails on this forum IMO

 

LMFAO :twisted:

 

1. You shouldn't capitalise the F in "fails" mid-sentence.

2. You shouldn't use acronyms without expanding the meaning the first time it's used in a post.

 

If you are going to flag up grammatical or spelling mistakes on an online forum then you have to ensure that your own post is in perfect English or you just end up looking like a fool.

 

Oh! The irony went straight over your head. :wink:

 

On topic (OT). Does anyone think that Santas will increase soon?

[My_Eggs]

IMO merchers sell most of the phats. Merchant sells phat for items A, B and C, and rebuys from another player for A and B.

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

Here's a fact: you're a tool. For the evidence to back that up, I present you with..

 

Opinion. Care to back it up? This is a fact thread.

 

 

No, I'm actually a pre-law student.

As well, there is another logical flaw, saturation. Phat trades aren't rare. If they happened as you said, soon the merchents would own so many Phats that no more would be traded in even close to similar numbers to what they currently are. Etc etc. In short, what you describe is NOT how the market works, and although you may have an opinion that says so, your opinion is WRONG. There are opinions, "Castle wars is a more fun activity then slayer" "Fire surge is the coolest looking spell". Then there are FACTS. "Extreme potions are more powerful then super potions" "The Whip is better to slay with then the dragon mace, after 70 attack". Etc.

 

 

 

Also, Mr Smarty-Pants, 'etc' should only be used after three consecutive examples.

 

Pedantic Fails on this forum IMO

 

LMFAO :twisted:

 

 

All I got from this was "Stonewall is right, I can't find any possible way to argue against his point.... Must make fun of any tiny thing I can that has nothing to do with this discussion." :rolleyes:

 

 

OT: Does anyone have any idea how often third-age druidic gear's price is updated on the G.E? I'm looking to make an attempt at sniping a staff, but I always tend to be out slaying when the G.E. updates. #-o

[SixFootOne]

OT: Does anyone have any idea how often third-age druidic gear's price is updated on the G.E? I'm looking to make an attempt at sniping a staff, but I always tend to be out slaying when the G.E. updates. #-o

 

 

Based off the ge charts it has only updated 4 times since their release (the staff anyway). So it looks like every few weeks to over a month for an update. The other parts update even less often.

 

 

Good luck with your snipe. Bedmen managed to get a piece off the ge so maybe you can steal some of his luck.

[bedman]

Let's keep the pedantic grammar discussion out of this topic please.

 

Santa's are a bit strange IMO. I bought 2 for 95.5 and sold for 98.7 2 days ago. After that flip, I had troubles getting a new pair, so I ended up paying 97.8m for 2. They didn't sell for what I wanted, and after tryign a few prices, I sold them for 97.9. Now I'm trying to buy 2 for 97.2 but no luck so far (should have gotten them by now)

[Sir_Kurity]

And since when do comma's even have the ability to be "incorrect." There isn't really a right comma and a wrong comma... :rolleyes:

 

Co,mmas c,an be very, inc,orrect.

[MightyMuddy]

I hope they don't rise tbh haha, I just sold mine for 100mil a week ago, 3mil over the mid price :)

I would be so dissapointed in myself if they were to rise beyond my price range.

[DyingSilent]

And since when do comma's even have the ability to be "incorrect." There isn't really a right comma and a wrong comma... :rolleyes:

 

Co,mmas c,an be very, inc,orrect.

 

Nah, those are right comma's, just misplaced :-D

 

Unspam: Any thoughts on how long the current lower-end rares (masks/santas) mini-crash trend might last? I didn't expect another crash nearly this soon, since the market was just starting to turn around...

 

So much for making geepees off my Red H'ween -.-

[Stev]

And since when do comma's even have the ability to be "incorrect." There isn't really a right comma and a wrong comma... :rolleyes:

 

Co,mmas c,an be very, inc,orrect.

 

Nah, those are right comma's, just misplaced :-D

 

Unspam: Any thoughts on how long the current lower-end rares (masks/santas) mini-crash trend might last? I didn't expect another crash nearly this soon, since the market was just starting to turn around...

 

So much for making geepees off my Red H'ween -.-

Either way, in the long run, it'll be worth holding onto. :P. They're only going to get rarer. ;).

[Bladewing]

Unspam: Any thoughts on how long the current lower-end rares (masks/santas) mini-crash trend might last? I didn't expect another crash nearly this soon, since the market was just starting to turn around...

 

So much for making geepees off my Red H'ween -.-

i don't expect green to drop more than two more updates, so about 6-8 days for green

blue and red will follow after about another week to 1.5 weeks.

[stonewall337]

stonewall, correct me if im wrong, but basically i think you mean:

don't post unfounded opinions on this thread

rather, post statements which are founded on logic and evidence

 

which still, i think, can be opinions, just not unfounded and meaningless ones.

You are quite correct. Sorry, I just got back from visiting the college I am transferring too, so I was being a little technical :P

[stonewall337]

 

 

 

No, I'm actually a pre-law student. As such, opinions, without either observation, proof, evidence, etc, mean NOTHING to me, nor do they add anything to this thread. Your opinion without basis is WORTHLESS here. This is a FACT thread, an OBSERVATION thread, and any OPINION should have something to back it up. Not just an IMO. As such, show WHY you think so, or I'l say again, its your opinion, and I won't even consider it without some reason WHY I should do so.

 

For example, I know blue party hat is the most valuable phat. I can see that from forums, w2, the GE graph (Which only relates to GE price not street) as well as cheating sites where people pay far more for a blue then for a purple. As such, I can back up my observation.

 

Your opinion has numerous logical issues. First, what do you mean by merchant? Most people mis define merchent as anyone who uses the GE to make money, eg manipulators, etc. They aren't all the same. Merchents work on supply and demand, as well as the ability to "snipe" certain items.

 

As well, there is another logical flaw, saturation. Phat trades aren't rare. If they happened as you said, soon the merchents would own so many Phats that no more would be traded in even close to similar numbers to what they currently are. Etc etc. In short, what you describe is NOT how the market works, and although you may have an opinion that says so, your opinion is WRONG. There are opinions, "Castle wars is a more fun activity then slayer" "Fire surge is the coolest looking spell". Then there are FACTS. "Extreme potions are more powerful then super potions" "The Whip is better to slay with then the dragon mace, after 70 attack". Etc.

 

I could go into more reasons, but there shouldn't be any need to at this point.

 

If you're a pre-law student I hope to God you're a freshman. You use more incorrect and unnecessary commas than a junior high drop out. So, good, luck, with, your, LSATS.

 

and:

 

It's MERCHANT.

 

 

 

Wrong, at least as far as commas go. I even double, and triple checked my work. Nice ad hominum/ straw man as well. Not to mention, in instances where correct grammar is irrelevant, due to this not being as "technical" as a paper, etc, the point is far more important. Now, a mis definition, or failure to define terms is a far different matter.

 

As well, only the first sentence was aimed at the childish name caller. The rest was to clarify the purpose of this thread.

 

but I digress.

[Numismaster]

Immature response.

 

Can we please stop attacking each other? It's getting really old. <_<

 

 

OT: I have a noob f2p account with a Santa hat and 110M that I solo merchant with (mostly just flipping crashing items). Since the Santa hat has been fairly stable around the 100M mark but the Red mask is still falling, would it be better financially to hold the Santa hat for possible future gains and merch with the 110M or sell the Santa hat to buy a Red mask for min (instant 7 mil profit) and merch with the 70M? Or should I buy 2 Santa hats and merch with only 16M?

 

I like Santa hats because they are a more fluid item than the masks (faster upward potential), but masks tend to retain their value longer during a crash (fewer price updates). But if the masks recover, will this cause the Santa Hat to fall temporarily (as people sell Santa hats to free up cash for buying masks)?

 

And is there any possible chance that I could acquire a partyhat on that account (given lots of time, effort, and determination)?

 

 

Thanks and :thumbup: for keeping this thread alive.

[Bladewing]

Nice ad hominum

it's "ad hominem"

 

Hay guize i looked up the werd dooshbeg and i saw stonewalls nam next 2 it k.

 

Can we please stop attacking each other? It's getting really old. <_<

obvious sarcasm is obvious

 

OT: I have a noob f2p account with a Santa hat and 110M that I solo merchant with (mostly just flipping crashing items). Since the Santa hat has been fairly stable around the 100M mark but the Red mask is still falling, would it be better financially to hold the Santa hat for possible future gains and merch with the 110M or sell the Santa hat to buy a Red mask for min (instant 7 mil profit) and merch with the 70M? Or should I buy 2 Santa hats and merch with only 16M?

 

I like Santa hats because they are a more fluid item than the masks (faster upward potential), but masks tend to retain their value longer during a crash (fewer price updates). But if the masks recover, will this cause the Santa Hat to fall temporarily (as people sell Santa hats to free up cash for buying masks)?

 

And is there any possible chance that I could acquire a partyhat on that account (given lots of time, effort, and determination)?

 

 

Thanks and :thumbup: for keeping this thread alive.

today i would keep the santa over a mask. after another update or two on masks i would consider picking one or two of them up.

 

you could acquire a partyhat, yes. but it will take far more than even a couple mask sets after they rebound. it will be very hard to do as f2p, since you basically will need to snipe one (you can't take any junk).

[tripsis]

Enough with the insults and off-topic discussions you guys. Remember that flaming and personal attacks are against the rules. So let's stop picking apart peoples' grammar and get back to discussing the topic at hand :P

[Numismaster]

today i would keep the santa over a mask. after another update or two on masks i would consider picking one or two of them up.

 

you could acquire a partyhat, yes. but it will take far more than even a couple mask sets after they rebound. it will be very hard to do as f2p, since you basically will need to snipe one (you can't take any junk).

 

 

Thanks for the advice! :thumbsup: That's sort of how I felt but I just wasn't sure. (And I'll try to do a better job next time at detecting sarcasm :oops: )