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What are your reasons of living?


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Well, recently my friend and I got into a discussion about our own reasons of living. Thought I'd post the convo here.

23:53:21) <@James2k06> tbh all you do is breathe rofl
(23:53:28) <@James2k06> you're gonna die someday rofl what's the point
(23:53:55) <@James2k06> be thankful for it
(23:54:02) <@James2k06> living forever would be the ultimate torture
(23:54:23) <@O_Gabe> k
(23:54:26) <@James2k06> you can't even call life without death life, the only reason the word life exists is because of death
23:54:33) <@James2k06> eternal life would be better called an experience
(23:54:38) <@James2k06> because life implies end
(23:54:52) <@O_Gabe> I'd like to live a longer timespan
(23:55:01) <@O_Gabe> ~90 years is nothing.
(23:55:09) <@James2k06> 90 years?
23:55:14) <@James2k06> you kidding? more like 70
(23:55:32) <@James2k06> you'd have to be exceptionally healthy to live to 90
(23:55:37) <@James2k06> we both know you aren't
(23:55:37) <@O_Gabe> my dad is 81 and he's been smoking for like 65 years and is a veteran of 3 wars
(23:55:50) <@O_Gabe> I think I can live a good timespan
3:55:58) <@James2k06> grats to him i guess
(23:56:09) <@James2k06> a longer life is meaningless
(23:56:20) <@O_Gabe> + think of all the technology that's going to be coming out in the next 50 years
(23:56:23) <@James2k06> the moment you die, everything before it is negated
(23:56:27) <@James2k06> don't you see?
23:56:37) <@O_Gabe> that's false.
(23:56:42) <@O_Gabe> You leave behind your legacy
(23:56:53) <@James2k06> your existence ends, and any impact/legacy you left behind will die too
(23:56:58) <@O_Gabe> whether it is to the whole world or a few people
(23:57:10) <@James2k06> everyone you or i has ever known or will know is going to die
(23:57:16) <@James2k06> your impact means nothing
23:57:18) <@O_Gabe> the meaning of life for me is helping other
(23:57:29) <@James2k06> helping others? for what?
(23:57:30) <@O_Gabe> if I can leave behind legacy that can help future generations
(23:57:35) <@O_Gabe> then I've lived a good life
(23:57:41) <@James2k06> help future generations do what?
(23:57:46) <@O_Gabe> live a good life.
(23:57:49) <@James2k06> be happy while they're alive?
(23:58:02) <@James2k06> no one is happy
23:58:04) <@James2k06> no one
(23:58:26) <@James2k06> there is nothing to be happy about
(23:58:26) <@O_Gabe> people can be happy, because they can also be sad
(23:58:58) <@James2k06> why does happiness matter
(23:59:05) <@O_Gabe> why does anything matter?
(23:59:13) <@James2k06> nothing matters
(23:59:22) <@O_Gabe> then why do we go on living?
(23:59:24) <@James2k06> nothing matters at all
23:59:38) <@James2k06> because we all cling to something
(23:59:50) <@O_Gabe> so the thing we cling onto, does it matter?
(23:59:50) <@James2k06> we desperately avoid despair
(00:00:06) <@James2k06> no it doesnt because it could be anything
(00:00:22) <@James2k06> it could be your wife, heroin, crystal meth, runescape, world of warcraft, helping others
(00:00:32) <@James2k06> we all leech off something
(00:00:33) <@O_Gabe> why do we avoid despair?
00:00:33) <@O_Gabe> why do we avoid despair?
(00:00:58) <@O_Gabe> don't you need to overcome despair to reach happiness?
(00:01:02) <@James2k06> because we ignore the fate of death and think "oh if i were just happy then everything would be okay"
(00:01:25) <@James2k06> "if i could just smile tomorrow, if i could just look into her eyes and hear her say those words to me, everything would be okay"
(00:01:42) <@James2k06> good luck with that
(00:01:44) <@James2k06> life is a joke
(00:01:45) <@O_Gabe> and that's arrogance
00:01:48) <@James2k06> and you've fallen for it
(00:01:59) <@O_Gabe> that's not what I live for.
(00:02:13) <@James2k06> you said you lived for others
(00:02:20) <@James2k06> for the "legacy" you leave behind
(00:02:28) <@O_Gabe> I live to help others, but not have them control me.
(00:02:51) <@O_Gabe> that's why I am going into politics.
(00:02:55) <@O_Gabe> it is my passion.
00:03:04) <@James2k06> you think you can change the world?
(00:03:13) <@O_Gabe> hardly.
(00:03:14) <@James2k06> you think you can stop people from dying?
(00:03:24) <@James2k06> no one can be helped
(00:03:28) <@O_Gabe> the world is a disgrace
(00:03:36) <@James2k06> no it's not
(00:03:40) <@James2k06> how could it be a disgrace
(00:03:45) <@James2k06> we have nothing to compare it to
00:03:47) <@O_Gabe> but I want to be able to be up there, making decisions.
(00:04:19) <@James2k06> life isn't bad either, we can't compare it to anything that isn't life
(00:04:19) <@O_Gabe> it is a disgrace, people fail to realize history repeats itself
(00:04:33) <@O_Gabe> and we let it happen, and people suffer once more.
(00:04:50) <@James2k06> people suffer
(00:04:53) <@James2k06> all the god damn same
(00:04:56) <@James2k06> no matter what happens
00:04:58) <@O_Gabe> Everyone in absorbed in self interest
(00:05:15) <@O_Gabe> whether it is harming others or not
(00:06:10) <@James2k06> no matter how rich you get, how altruistic you are, how much money you donate to charity, how many bills you pass through the government to help impoverished children, how much you love your daughter, people will continue living their lives of hardship, everyone lives a [bleep]ing miserable life of difficulty, we struggle and struggle even when some of us realize it's meaningless
00:06:40) <@James2k06> you will live your entire life and on the day you die
(00:06:43) <@James2k06> you'll lay there thinking
(00:06:47) <@James2k06> what happened
(00:06:57) <@James2k06> what the [bleep] did i just live
(00:07:08) <@James2k06> and then you'll die
(00:07:12) <@James2k06> and everyone who knew you will die
00:07:13) <@O_Gabe> I disagree.
(00:07:23) <@James2k06> disagree with what?
(00:07:34) <@O_Gabe> Struggle is a source of inspiration
(00:07:59) <@O_Gabe> even if every good deed is a selfish act, you will still leave your legacy and mark on the world when you die.
(00:08:16) <@O_Gabe> you must overcome struggle to have meaning
(00:08:32) <@James2k06> i agree with you
(00:08:38) <@James2k06> the problem is, overcoming struggle is impossible
00:08:47) <@James2k06> you will always, always struggle
(00:08:57) <@James2k06> you think you'll ever be satisfied?
(00:09:04) <@James2k06> sit there and think "wow there is nothing more that i want"
(00:09:09) <@James2k06> you think that'll ever happen?
(00:09:18) <@O_Gabe> satisfaction is never filled. When you finish a goal, you will always set yourself a new one.
(00:09:37) <@James2k06> maybe so, maybe so
0:09:59) <@James2k06> well, you keep on living your life, i hope your life doesn't turn out like everybody elses
(00:10:10) <@O_Gabe> but reflecting what you've managed to accomplish in your life time against the earlier goals you set in mind would be rearding
(00:10:14) <@O_Gabe> rewarding*
(00:10:34) <@James2k06> accomplishments... goals... rewards... what do these things mean to me?
(00:10:51) <@James2k06> why do i even want anything in the first place
00:11:14) <@O_Gabe> maybe the meaning of life for you is to find out the answer to that question.
(00:11:15) <@James2k06> there is no logical reason for me to do anything but sit here and drool until i die of starvation
(00:11:49) <@James2k06> i hate when people say that
(00:11:55) <@James2k06> that doesn't make any sense
(00:12:01) <@James2k06> the meaning of life is the search for the meaning of life?
(00:12:08) <@James2k06> yeah, okay then
00:12:35) <@James2k06> even if God existed
(00:12:50) <@James2k06> even if i were to go to Heaven
(00:12:55) <@James2k06> where I become a mindless happy slave
(00:13:10) <@James2k06> there isn't any meaning in living
(00:13:24) <@James2k06> everything... is empty
(00:13:28) <@James2k06> my words are empty
(00:13:35) <@James2k06> your thoughts are physical reaction
(00:13:39) <@James2k06> reactions
(00:13:46) <@James2k06> everything has a cause, a purpose
(00:13:49) <@James2k06> everything ends
(00:13:52) <@James2k06> nothing will last
(00:13:55) <@James2k06> nothing gold can stay
)00:14:12) <@James2k06> the best we can come up with
(00:14:19) <@James2k06> is to live for those moments of happiness
(00:14:24) <@James2k06> those short amazing moments
(00:14:29) <@James2k06> that feeling we get when we get high
(00:14:36) <@James2k06> is the one thing
(00:14:39) <@James2k06> that makes everything okay


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life is hard & its a big challenge thats my opinion & why i live? cuz i got friends & family :) also i have to study to make my life easier when i am older :) suffer now then rest later :D

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Dude, why would you have such a discussion with James? lol? Doom and gloom man tbh.


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Your friend is right, there's nothing to live for really, once you die you won't care about your legacy (assuming no life after death). However, he's wrong in thinking you can't change anything and everyone suffers. A madman in the 17th century suffers more than a madman today, thanks to the progresses of psychotherapy. He's saying things he can't even prove (no happiness, el oh el). You should have asked him to do so, argument over. Your friend should stop thinking he's a unique little snowflake, and realize that he's in the very same trap.

I live because I'm scared of dying and change. I don't think I suffer enough to want to end it.
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If you know me from other forums you should also know that I am usually extremely optimistic, but what I am about to say will likely contradict that a bit...
I realized about a year ago, Senior year HS, that basically you go to Elem, Middle, HS, college, get a job... Then what? You work until you DIE... The vast majority of people will never be truly happy because they will always have responsibilities. I also realized that the government will forever tax my future property, land, ETC... The most important possession one can obtain is their home, and yet in the United States, one can never truly own theirs...

This discussion has inherent religious tones.
Personally, I believe in God. There is no question in my mind that he AT LEAST set up the rules of reality and the universe. Heaven, however, is another story.
For a fully sentient and mentally functioning human, oblivion is the worst fate of all - that one would be simply erased, their entire mind vanishing. (See how I elegantly condoned abortion? Yay...)
I live because I do not want to disappear, the holy net of heaven's clouds being too thinly constructed of ancient fairytales to dare set foot upon...

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K, seriously, this guy needs to stop being so emo. There is no happiness? You can never overcome your struggles? Really?

If by any chance this guy ISN'T suicidal, tell him to gtfo and kill himself. I have no use for this.

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I didn't read the whole conversation. But in short, I don't care about my impact or my legacy. I live because I enjoy life and as long as I continue doing what I enjoy and surround myself with people I love and people who love me, I reckon I'll be pretty happy. That's all that matters to me. I'm not going to go through life thinking "All of this is pointless because I'm going to die anyway" because with that attitude, I might as well off myself right now and be done with it. As long as I'm here, I'm going to make sure I have a good time, do what I love and be with the people I love.
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I think you should remove everything but your final sentence/question from your original post...

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Why would you have a conversation with James l?

On Topic; It's human instinct to live.

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We emotionally desire to live therefor actively seek out living.

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I accepted the fact that I could die at any moment for pretty much any reason a long time ago. My daily decisions are not designed to prolong my stay here. I do whatever I want to and try to live in the "now" as much as possible. As for why I'm living? Because my body hasn't shut down yet. That's the only one.

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This topic kinda reminds me of this:



No matter who you are, you should live a lively, eventful life. Even if it means death in the end.

Yeah there's no real answer to this topic really...

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See, the only actual reason to live is to improve humanity. Without death, there would be (from an evolutionary standpoint) no improvements in genetics. If creatures never died, the best traits would never be honed and widely spread, and better traits (via genetic mutation) would not come into existence. Once the new, superior model is out, it's necessary to get rid of the inferior model.

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Before Dan says it, We knoew YOUR reason.

Personally, to try and enjoy life as much as possible, do as much as possible (hence the whining) and give back as much as possible.

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K, seriously, this guy needs to stop being so emo. There is no happiness? You can never overcome your struggles? Really?

If by any chance this guy ISN'T suicidal, tell him to gtfo and kill himself. I have no use for this.


He has attempted suicide twice before setting his house on fire for a million dollar damage and being send to jail for about 6 months. I can probably link to news article later. But it's still not nice to talk to James like that :thumbdown:

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