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So that's how such unpopular people are given the power of the banhammer. I see, fascinating system right there.

 

I'm guessing I've shot all my chances of ever becoming a mod. :wink:

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It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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So that's how such unpopular people are given the power of the banhammer. I see, fascinating system right there.

 

I'm guessing I've shot all my chances of ever becoming a mod. :wink:

 

Popularity has nothing to do with being a good moderator.

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The gestapo admins and mods have been on an insane power trip lately. If the conflict the past few days within the community was not enough, the sheer amounts of banning over the slightest thing today, as well as the sheer number of threads locked/deleted rapidly would convince any non-TIF'er that they have stepped into a government-policed Chinese board.

 

And to me, it is saddening to see the mods who are supposed to act responsibly and impartially suddenly lose their heads, and attack the community in this way. And even worse, the hypocrisy displayed by some, displaying the vendettas and other personal issues that should not be a part of moderation.

 

Exhibit A

Going out of your way to find these people is not why I play this game. I use my "powers" when the need arises, I don't go looking for reasons to use it and in my opinion no mod should.

 

Really?

 

once this is thread is done im leaving

Like I needed any more incentive. Goodbye

because you seemed to go out of your way there...

 

But as TIF is a community, I'm interested in hearing the community's opinion on these recent events. What are your thoughts?

 

You seemed to have missed several of Levon's last threads...

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So that's how such unpopular people are given the power of the banhammer. I see, fascinating system right there.

 

I'm guessing I've shot all my chances of ever becoming a mod. :wink:

Your notion that frequently flaming and insulting others is an asset to the Staff is insulting by itself sir.

People are chosen on their positive qualities and not because they may or may not be friends with current staff, because if that were the case I would never have become Crew since I knew no-one at all and didn't apply.

 

I am purple proof that the system is fair in that respect.

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The gestapo admins and mods have been on an insane power trip lately. If the conflict the past few days within the community was not enough, the sheer amounts of banning over the slightest thing today, as well as the sheer number of threads locked/deleted rapidly would convince any non-TIF'er that they have stepped into a government-policed Chinese board.

 

And to me, it is saddening to see the mods who are supposed to act responsibly and impartially suddenly lose their heads, and attack the community in this way. And even worse, the hypocrisy displayed by some, displaying the vendettas and other personal issues that should not be a part of moderation.

 

Exhibit A

Going out of your way to find these people is not why I play this game. I use my "powers" when the need arises, I don't go looking for reasons to use it and in my opinion no mod should.

 

Really?

 

once this is thread is done im leaving

Like I needed any more incentive. Goodbye

because you seemed to go out of your way there...

 

But as TIF is a community, I'm interested in hearing the community's opinion on these recent events. What are your thoughts?

My thoughts as a member of this community are that there is a select group of players who are bored on the internet and trying to create forum-drama. They are directly attacking the methods of the administration here. The administration, trying to be as open as possible, is allowing for an open discussion on its moderation. This group of players, seeking out more forum-drama, continues directly attacking the staff. Certain staff members say certain things that taken out of context can be seen as a slip up out of proper administrative character. The forum-drama seekers use these quotes to add fuel to a fire that insists upon itself. So instead of pushing the staff with these artificially constructed arguments, just take a break and realize you're wasting your time debating an artificially constructed argument to begin with. Let it blow over, because this whole thing is pretty stupid. You guys have access to a fantastically ran site, and at this point the small minority complaining are just looking for things to complain/argue about.

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Senseless drama is being created out of nothing. Everything is being blown completely out of proportion to what is really happening.

 

Just take a deep breath or go for a walk outside. With so much negative emotions floating about it isn't going to help anyone.

 

How about we come up with some goals for the direction of these boards? No, I don't want any blanket statements such as "the mods are bad," what are the serious issues that need to be addressed and how can they be fixed?

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How about we come up with some goals for the direction of these boards? No, I don't want any blanket statements such as "the mods are bad," what are the serious issues that need to be addressed and how can they be fixed?

 

H&A- Infuriating to give good advice, it needs some form of quality control

AoW- Same thing, much of it is poor or out of date, it needs quality control

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It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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The gestapo admins and mods have been on an insane power trip lately. If the conflict the past few days within the community was not enough, the sheer amounts of banning over the slightest thing today, as well as the sheer number of threads locked/deleted rapidly would convince any non-TIF'er that they have stepped into a government-policed Chinese board.

 

And to me, it is saddening to see the mods who are supposed to act responsibly and impartially suddenly lose their heads, and attack the community in this way. And even worse, the hypocrisy displayed by some, displaying the vendettas and other personal issues that should not be a part of moderation.

 

Exhibit A

Going out of your way to find these people is not why I play this game. I use my "powers" when the need arises, I don't go looking for reasons to use it and in my opinion no mod should.

 

Really?

 

once this is thread is done im leaving

Like I needed any more incentive. Goodbye

because you seemed to go out of your way there...

 

But as TIF is a community, I'm interested in hearing the community's opinion on these recent events. What are your thoughts?

 

How did I go out of my way? He posted a spam thread, a thread that is not allowed on these forums. I locked it. It's my job as an admin on these boards. I didn't go out of my way to do anything. My role as a Player Mod is entirely different to my role as an admin here and it's a ludicrous comparison you're trying to make.

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How about we come up with some goals for the direction of these boards? No, I don't want any blanket statements such as "the mods are bad," what are the serious issues that need to be addressed and how can they be fixed?

 

H&A- Infuriating to give good advice, it needs some form of quality control

AoW- Same thing, much of it is poor or out of date, it needs quality control

Both of those things we are open to. For H&A it will take more time as we have new methods and policies to sort out. But we are open to it. For AoW, you are always welcome to report guides that you feel are out of date and should be removed.

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How about we come up with some goals for the direction of these boards? No, I don't want any blanket statements such as "the mods are bad," what are the serious issues that need to be addressed and how can they be fixed?

 

H&A- Infuriating to give good advice, it needs some form of quality control

AoW- Same thing, much of it is poor or out of date, it needs quality control

 

And both of these issues have been discussed along with other points raised. The fact that I've had to spend several hours tonight babysitting the forums to make sure that any of the pointless spam and offensive posts are gone instead of working more on those solutions isn't a good one.

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How about we come up with some goals for the direction of these boards? No, I don't want any blanket statements such as "the mods are bad," what are the serious issues that need to be addressed and how can they be fixed?

 

H&A- Infuriating to give good advice, it needs some form of quality control

AoW- Same thing, much of it is poor or out of date, it needs quality control

Exactly. And Obt was kind enought to quote a piece that mentioned how the staff does not have the Boss Hunting power some of the users have therefor seeking help from the better players to update their out of date guides. Sadly they just chased away some of the only people with the ability to help them update their guides.

I see great display of logic.

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Well new guides are actually being planned and posted on the new temporary forum (link in my siggy) so if Tip.It fails to shape up at least the community as a whole will be able to access top notch information.

 

I do hope H&A gets revamped though, I think I'll stick around there if it does. I like helping people.

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It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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Exactly. And Obt was kind enought to quote a piece that mentioned how the staff does not have the Boss Hunting power some of the users have therefor seeking help from the better players to update their out of date guides. Sadly they just chased away some of the only people with the ability to help them update their guides.

I see great display of logic.

Actually, that was not the case.

I know the source from which you speak since I happen to be in it too, and the message of which you speak was a response to help offered by certain players who had previously agreed to do so.

 

Weren't you complaining about things being taken out of context? :shame:

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Can't we have the debate club back again?

Efficiency fans can go there and the Fun fans can refrain from insulting efficiency fans there.

 

Efficiency isn't the problem, neither is Fun. The problem is the two groups clashing on every single subject and the mods moderating based on tone. It's difficult to not sound arrogant if you have hundreds of man-hours worth of statistics that tell you you're right. Just separate the two groups. Neither side will convince the other.

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Can't we have the debate club back again?

Efficiency fans can go there and the Fun fans can refrain from insulting efficiency fans there.

 

Efficiency isn't the problem, neither is Fun. The problem is the two groups clashing on every single subject and the mods moderating based on tone. It's difficult to not sound arrogant if you have hundreds of man-hours worth of statistics that tell you you're right. Just separate the two groups. Neither side will convince the other.

 

We would probably have something similar up about now. You can blame all the people who have got themselves banned tonight and continue to continually cause problems as to why it's not been sorted yet.

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Exactly. And Obt was kind enought to quote a piece that mentioned how the staff does not have the Boss Hunting power some of the users have therefor seeking help from the better players to update their out of date guides. Sadly they just chased away some of the only people with the ability to help them update their guides.

I see great display of logic.

Actually, that was not the case.

I know the source from which you speak since I happen to be in it too, and the message of which you speak was a response to help offered by certain players who had previously agreed to do so.

 

Weren't you complaining about things being taken out of context? :shame:

Actually no, i wasnt the one that complained about that. Get your facts straight then try again. Derp :wall:

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Cant believe i missed the porn :( i was to busy trolling elsewhere

You sir, are a waste of my time.

Still, you've once again proven my point.

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Cant believe i missed the porn :( i was to busy trolling elsewhere

You sir, are a waste of my time.

Still, you've once again proven my point.

And i believe you are a waste of the skin you are in.

The world is a lovely place is it not?

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Cant believe i missed the porn :( i was to busy trolling elsewhere

You sir, are a waste of my time.

Still, you've once again proven my point.

And i believe you are a waste of the skin you are in.

The world is a lovely place is it not?

Please! Are we going to have this thread locked too?

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This is kind of late for me to post this, but I'll go ahead and leave it here.

 

The staff and I haven't always seen eye-to-eye. ;) But you really have to give it to them that they are at least being more transparent and willing to take criticism in public.

 

Tip.it used to be known though in it's heyday as a mecca of intellect, intelligent debate and a strong community

 

I wouldn't necessarily laud it that much, but it was a lot better, yes.

 

Right now it's full of morons, and most of the people who helped create interesting debates in the past (especially Off-Topic) have left, unfortunately.

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Cant believe i missed the porn :( i was to busy trolling elsewhere

You sir, are a waste of my time.

Still, you've once again proven my point.

And i believe you are a waste of the skin you are in.

The world is a lovely place is it not?

Please! Are we going to have this thread locked too?

I don't see where the problem is. Jaffy was trollbaiting and i haven't eaten in a while.

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Even though I don't post often, I still lurk the forums daily and I'd say that TIF is actually not moderated enough. These problems with trolls and annoying people are the result of posters continuing to post negative things (i.e. trolling, flaming) without moderation stepping in on time. Take the pictures thread in GD. I look at it on a daily basis, and I'd guess that 5-15 posts per page are posts that contain flaming/trolls but the moderators continue to allow it to slide. Now, by forcing action (i.e. bans), posters are claiming "over-moderation" because the punishment system is not completely consistent enough.

 

My suggestion: Ban/warn the posters who continue to evade the rules but stop flame wars before they become 10-20 page topics and/or posters are addicted to flaming/trolling.

 

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Cant believe i missed the porn :( i was to busy trolling elsewhere

You sir, are a waste of my time.

Still, you've once again proven my point.

And i believe you are a waste of the skin you are in.

The world is a lovely place is it not?

Please! Are we going to have this thread locked too?

I don't see where the problem is. Jaffy was trollbaiting and i haven't eaten in a while.

 

Yes, but pathetic as it is, this thread is the only way to talk to the administration publicly. And the mods seem very trigger-happy these days.

I agree that Jaffy was trollbaiting, but you didn't need to respond in kind.

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this thread is the only way to talk to the administration publicly

 

Unfortunately, yes. I do believe that this is a step in the right direction on their part, though. Whether or not they intended it, their policy forbidding openly criticizing the staff gave the impression that they were undermining an egalitarian posting environment, and it made the forums seem unfair as a result. Even though this thread is mostly a flame war, it at least gives the impression from the admins that "Hey, we are all users here. Let's make the forums a better place." I respect that.

 

I agree that Jaffy was trollbaiting

 

This is a serious problem in the forums. When a person has an opposing viewpoint, it's common for that person to be labeled as a troll or the like. It really inhibits free discussion on this forum and makes the community less appealing to new members.

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