Efficiency Trolls

[Youmu]

But playing efficiently doesn't always mean fun. There is no right or wrong way to play this game.

Like I said, fun is subjective. It might mean you find what you're currently doing to be fun (like slayer, skilling), or it can be because of what you can do after you reach the goal that you're striving efficiency for (high dungeoneering, bosshunting).

 

Although people may not find certain efficient training methods to be fun, others do. Like I said this is opinionated.

 

Playing for fun doesn't mean you're playing to be efficient. As stated earlier efficiency involves objective figures. So, you can be chillaxing training skills but realize your method is inefficient, regardless of what you think of it. It's people who don't look at it at an objective point of view that causes problems.

 

And true, there is no right or wrong method to playing the game. In the end, it's up to you.

[langer]

One of the biggest flaw in the efficiency camp's argument is that everyone use the same XP rates and moneymaking methods (meaning everything is available through quest or items used).

 

Here's an example:

 

I hate powerfishing and when I choose to train fishing, I don't consider it an option. When I choose my training methods, I calculate my time via the options that I make available to me.

My efficiency is based on what I decide is worth playing.

 

If I based my efficiency on what would give me the fastest XP/TIME/GP, I would not chat, try out minigames until a perfect guide is released, participate in clan activities, try out seasonal events or even post on forums. I would probably bot too, because my character is not training efficiently when I'm at work.

 

As for the Fun = subjective and efficiency = objective argument... What is the point in training efficiently when the end result for some players is to hate the game and quit? I much prefer to base my efficiency on my parameters than on the average player's parameters.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

What is the point in training efficiently when the end result for some players is to hate the game and quit?

the result is for players we don't like, to hate the game and quit :P

that seems like quit the optimal outcome to me.

[Blyaunte]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

[xpx]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

Can you name something that isn't fun? For a select amount of time, anything can be fun, so the advice for fun would be: do anything. Doesn't sound helpful to me.

[essiw]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

No, just no.

I think the topic starter should just explain what kind of advice he/she wants. If he doesn't explain enough all kind of advices are good to give. It make no sense to lock topics because the TS didn't put one of those two words in it, you would also scare people that have just joined.

[Blyaunte]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

Can you name something that isn't fun? For a select amount of time, anything can be fun, so the advice for fun would be: do anything. Doesn't sound helpful to me.

 

... and yet, time and again, we see that exact same advice being given in H&A ... :unsure:

[essiw]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

Can you name something that isn't fun? For a select amount of time, anything can be fun, so the advice for fun would be: do anything. Doesn't sound helpful to me.

 

... and yet, time and again, we see that exact same advice being given in H&A ... :unsure:

The better name for the "fun" you mean would be "suggestions other then the most efficient".

[Blyaunte]

Why don't we just settle this point and call a spade an "effing thing to dig with"?

 

Henceforth:

 

1. Anyone wanting "FUN" advice in H&A must ask: "What is a FUN way to train/do/get __________?"

 

2. Anyone wanting "EFFICIENT" advice in H&A must ask: "What is an EFFICIENT way to train/do/get __________?"

 

Anyone not posting a question in one of the above ways shall have their thread immediately closed.

 

 

Off Topic -1:

 

I called upon the Efficiency experts in the H&A and received immediate, friendly, insightful and helpful advice!

 

Thank you Efficiandos! <3:

Can you name something that isn't fun? For a select amount of time, anything can be fun, so the advice for fun would be: do anything. Doesn't sound helpful to me.

 

... and yet, time and again, we see that exact same advice being given in H&A ... :unsure:

The better name for the "fun" you mean would be "suggestions other then the most efficient".

 

Well -- I was thinking "mostly useless" but yes, you're phrase is likely less offensive ... <_<

[Jaffy1]

(Tl;dr version at end of post)

 

Example. Person A wants to train melee. He looks up the stats for a Godsword and a whip and ignorant of how much the speed of a weapon influences your potential damage output in a given period of time he picks the Godsword. After training with it he wonders if he could be getting better exp/hr so he asks in H&A to which us efficiency clowns inform him that a whip will be better for training quickly. He was training with a stupid method before he asked but he was not stupid. Now that he is informed if he chooses to keep training with the Godsword and complain about the low exp/hr he is stupid. If he chooses to keep it for fun then he's having a good time and no one can argue with him about it. He still is smart and knows that a whip is going to be better, but is training stupidly for the sake of fun.

 

No method of training is "stupid" in my opinion. Anyway, that wasn't the point I was making.

Training stupidly for the sake of fun would be training stupidly, like a stupid person would. You may not be saying it with so many words, but you are implying that someone is stupid. I must say that at least you did make a decent suggestion in the thread I used as an example, but you mocked the OP too. How do you think that comes accross? You're indirectly calling him stupid, and the other "efficiency posters" felt the need to point out how stupid and ignorant he was too.

 

 

Example 2 (which is perhaps much more common). I have a friend who is extremely intelligent, full ride to MIT off of academics and an IQ of 187. He still chooses to get drunk on the weekends for "fun" and one weekend he made the choice while drunk to sleep with a girl who ended up getting pregnant. Was it a smart thing to do given all the stuff he has going for him in life that could be ruined by the potential consequences? Nope. Does this in anyway diminish his stark intellectual prowess? Nope. It just means a smart person made a stupid choice.

There is a difference between having a high IQ and not being stupid.

 

As for the mining example, that happened before resource dungeons, and the F2p player who asked the question wanted to know F2p methods only. Perhaps I should have elaborated more, but the point was much like the thread I linked to. The "efficiency troll" didn't care what was asked and just pushed through his own tunnel vision idea of how things should be done, regardless of the fact that this person specifically noted he was not interested in paying for the game.

 

Again, the point I was trying to make is that apparently it's about the whole efficiency versus fun thing rather than answer a user's questions.

 

 

Incidentally, what you did is part of the big problem. That player asked you a question. You agreed to answer that question. You then had an obligation to answer that question in one of two ways, with the first option being mandatory and the second option being . . . optional.

 

I don't actually recall my specific words, but I usually do suggest more than one method. Please see the above elaboration on that (I obviously neglected to be a little more specific, my bad).

 

 

What do I mean you may ask? Threads like this one right here.

I dare you just to read the first 10 posts, and hopefully you'll see what I mean.

 

That thread is a perfect example of why sometimes I feel "efficiency trolls" should have the quotation marks removed.

 

 

wut.....?

One gave gave honest advice, the OP declined it and gave a reason as to why, which is fine. The original advice giver responded saying he didn't understand the decline, and why, which is fine.

 

And then 2 people jumped on him for being an efficiency troll....

Not once did the advice giver troll, insult, instigate flame, or patronize anyone in the thread.

 

Nice try though.

 

The OP asked a specific question to which there was a specific answer. If he wished to know his options on how to train crafting and magic he would ask that, but since he obviously already had decided he just wanted advice on the act of enchanting. In that thread I only see two helpful replies (my own and the 11th) and one semi-helpful, semi-mocking (the 12th) out of 13 posts. You can say the "efficiency" poster didn't flame, but if you look at it, some of them were indeed disrespectful towards his approach, and I see a Mod trying to put it to a stop before it got out of hand.

 

The second poster seemed rigid in his notion that everything did have to go as efficiently as possible, and was blind to the OP's question. The fact that someone pointed out that not everyone is obsessed by the "efficient use of game time" isn't calling someone a troll, but stating a fact. What makes me sick however, is that such people seem blind to what a person wants to know, and just dismiss them before throwing insults.

 

Sometimes, a question is ridiculous enough that there is no good advice beyond "don't do it."

Your comparison is ridiculous enough for me to comment on it. xD

Seriously though, there is a difference between wanting to train magic a slower and "profitable" way, cutting the costs on something he was going to do anyway (making air battlestaves is not a bad method of training crafting) and trying to kill bosses with the weapons of a novice player. Sure, it's a matter of perception, but there is such a thing as respecting the less efficient methods that aren't ridiculous.

 

Still, your other post on that page shows you're entirely missing the point some people are trying to make. :blink:

 

 

[hide=Tl dr version of above post]Basically, start respecting people's views, answer their questions if they ask, come with suggestions if they ask, but if they don't ask and clearly aren't interested in efficiency, just leave them be and answer what they do want to know.

 

Quit the tunnel vision and show others some respect.[/hide]

[Noxx]

 

Tl dr version of above postBasically, start respecting people's views, answer their questions if they ask, come with suggestions if they ask, but if they don't ask and clearly aren't interested in efficiency, just leave them be and answer what they do want to know.

 

Quit the tunnel vision and show others some respect.

Well done. I must say. You managed to show a lot of respect towards Efficiency Beasts by calling them disrespectfull and Tunnel Visioned. Bravo =D>

 

Very few users clearly specify that they do not want the most efficient way to train x skill when posting in H&A which leaves Efficiency Beasts to only assume they are looking for the best (the best being the most efficient). Not answering the question to the best of their abilities ("their" being the efficiency beasts) would show a total lack of respect to the OP by insulting his ability to play the most efficient way. Unless they specify clearly and directly then we can only be left to assume whatever we want.

[Th e Doctor]

For example, people keep telling me that the best way to train Slayer is to get tasks from the highest level Slayer Master in order to get the fastest xp rate. I disagree because I can't justify spending that much money on food and gear just to train a skill I despise simply to do a quest or two. I'd rather go for the easier tasks that I don't have to invest any money or food into, even if it takes a little longer. Sure, I could go to Vannaka or Sumona, fight some dragons or killerwatts, spend a couple thousand gp on food (not to mention wasting time going back and forth from a bank to the nearest training spot), or I could skip all that, do a few more tasks of goblins and banshees and keep my cash to buy supplies for skills I actually enjoy, such as smithing or crafting. Personally, I find that to be far more efficient than simply getting the highest xp/hr.

:-|

 

You either don't know what efficient means, or don't have any understanding of opportunity cost whatsoever (and, by the sound of your post, you definitely don't want to learn anything, so I won't bother explaining it unless you ask). Needless to say, asking for help from knowledgeable players isn't going to help you at all, because you're convinced that your way of doing things is correct when in fact your method is inferior for reasons you can't be bothered to understand. That doesn't make the advice given to you bad, it makes you closed minded.

 

No, I'm pointing out that there are other definitions of efficient that go beyond someone's spreadsheet. For me, saving money in exchange of a lower xp/hr is more efficient than using all that food. My definition of efficient may not match yours, but that doesn't make it less viable. I'm not closed-minded because I have tried the max xp/hr method, found it to be too expensive AND just as long as the "slower" method due to the extra bank trips and decided that it wasn't the most efficient method for me. That doesn't make it wrong in general, just not right for me. If it works for you, then great. My way works for me, and whle it may not match your definition of efficient, it doesn't make it inefficient. It's just a different kind of efficiency.

 

Your definition of efficiency is wrong. You arent saving money for less exp/hr. The time you saved getting the higher exp/hr could have been used to make more money than you saved. And as noted before if you're going through that much food you are using inefficient healing methods or slaying techniques (such as prayer flashing). Just because you feel better about your particular way of training does not make it efficient. It makes it enjoyable for you. Efficient is not some abstract concept that can be applied to anything anyone does based on whether or not they feel good about what they are doing.

 

[hide=Tl dr version of above post]Basically, start respecting people's views, answer their questions if they ask, come with suggestions if they ask, but if they don't ask and clearly aren't interested in efficiency, just leave them be and answer what they do want to know.

 

Quit the tunnel vision and show others some respect.[/hide]

 

This isn't an issue of respecting someones view. Its an issue of people trying to claim that A is objectively better than B when it clearly isn't the case from all measurable variables. B may damn well be funner than A for you, so go do it, we wont stop you and we don't care how you train. We do care when you go and try to claim that because B was a fun way for you to train that it makes it the best way to train.

[essiw]

To add an other point.

The thing I see as the biggest problem are the people insulting the topic starter or other users, or the topic starter insulting the people who give advice. It may not seem to be a big deal to you to call someone an idiot, noob or dumb (and those examples are even the less offensive examples I have seen), but to some people it hurts.

I have seen countless people using bad words on the internet (more then IRL) and I am not really offended by it, but I don't like it either, if someone on my friendlist or at a chatprogram would use those words against me (not noob, but saying I am an idiot or worse) I would block them if they do it in a disrespectful way. Everytime I see someone using bad words in runescape (for example the words "[bleep] off" and all the words with cancer in it (they are much used in the netherlands)) I report them (hate me for it but I don't want to read those things, I don't use them because they could hurt people and I don't like other people using them in public.

Then you should consider that I know girls (no offence) that cried because someone or a group of people said swear words about their boyfriend. Those people exist and could also be playing runescape and being on a forum, if they cry because someone said something offensive about their boyfriend they would also be hurt if someone used swear words to them.

 

It is not nice to say someone is dumb or an idiot because they don't like your way of doing this (may it be efficient or not).

It is also not nice to show disrespect to the people helping you, I believe this is the main reason of the people that think efficiently is the best way (no offence), because they give some nice advice and they get trolled by "omg you efficient clown" or something like that. But this means you should also not flame the persons that are trying to help but do not have enough knowledge of the subject, you can tell them in a nice way that that way is not the best way, but do not take over the topic with it, if you want something to say but it takes over the topic edit your last post and say it there. It doesn't matter if the wrong poster doesn't see it, the topic starter does.

 

To summ everyting up: I think there are a few kind of trolls: People being rude to the topic starter and other posters that their way is dumb/inefficient. People who disrespect the people helping you or someone else and are going to flame him or going to take over the topic to prove the other wrong (then both are at fault). It all comes down that you could say the same things in a nice way without flaming the person or taking over the thread, yes people do get hurt by insulting them on a forum.

[Jaffy1]

 

[hide=Tl dr version of above post]Basically, start respecting people's views, answer their questions if they ask, come with suggestions if they ask, but if they don't ask and clearly aren't interested in efficiency, just leave them be and answer what they do want to know.

 

Quit the tunnel vision and show others some respect.[/hide]

Well done. I must say. You managed to show a lot of respect towards Efficiency Beasts by calling them disrespectfull and Tunnel Visioned. Bravo =D>

 

Very few users clearly specify that they do not want the most efficient way to train x skill when posting in H&A which leaves Efficiency Beasts to only assume they are looking for the best (the best being the most efficient). Not answering the question to the best of their abilities ("their" being the efficiency beasts) would show a total lack of respect to the OP by insulting his ability to play the most efficient way. Unless they specify clearly and directly then we can only be left to assume whatever we want.

I believe you're misunderstanding what I'm referring to.

Perhaps you should read the posts in the thread I linked to, because if you had you should see that several posts, after the OP had noted that he wasn't interested in anything but what he asked, are anything but respectful. It is that kind of posters my quote is directed at. He asked one simple question yet was given an answer to an entirely different question. When he noted he wasn't interested in that, several people felt the need to troll. It is thát kind of "efficiency troll" I am referring to, not the regular efficient player that does act respectful, because they aren't trolls. <_<

 

 

 

This isn't an issue of respecting someones view. Its an issue of people trying to claim that A is objectively better than B when it clearly isn't the case from all measurable variables. B may damn well be funner than A for you, so go do it, we wont stop you and we don't care how you train. We do care when you go and try to claim that because B was a fun way for you to train that it makes it the best way to train.

 

Like I said, "Better" is usually an opinion with regard to training methods like that.

Everyone will agree that rune armour is better than mithril in terms of defence, but when it comes to doing something a way someone finds more fun and may take more time than someone else's preferred method (or the other way around), that does not make one better than the other.

 

You say it's not an issue of respecting someone's view, yet comments like these do make me wonder if you respected the user that wanted to enchant air orbs.

Ps this isn't efficient trolololol.

[SirIzenhime]

 

What do I mean you may ask? Threads like this one right here.

I dare you just to read the first 10 posts, and hopefully you'll see what I mean.

 

That thread is a perfect example of why sometimes I feel "efficiency trolls" should have the quotation marks removed.

 

 

wut.....?

One gave gave honest advice, the OP declined it and gave a reason as to why, which is fine. The original advice giver responded saying he didn't understand the decline, and why, which is fine.

 

And then 2 people jumped on him for being an efficiency troll....

Not once did the advice giver troll, insult, instigate flame, or patronize anyone in the thread.

 

Nice try though.

 

The OP asked a specific question to which there was a specific answer. If he wished to know his options on how to train crafting and magic he would ask that, but since he obviously already had decided he just wanted advice on the act of enchanting. In that thread I only see two helpful replies (my own and the 11th) and one semi-helpful, semi-mocking (the 12th) out of 13 posts. You can say the "efficiency" poster didn't flame, but if you look at it, some of them were indeed disrespectful towards his approach, and I see a Mod trying to put it to a stop before it got out of hand.

 

The second poster seemed rigid in his notion that everything did have to go as efficiently as possible, and was blind to the OP's question. The fact that someone pointed out that not everyone is obsessed by the "efficient use of game time" isn't calling someone a troll, but stating a fact.

 

I disagree. I don't see any problem with giving alternatives, especially if they are overall better. He never told OP to do in the sense that he would come and make him. It's always ultimately OP's decision, and all wkw did was give him an alternative, and explain why it was better time-wise

 

What makes me sick however, is that such people seem blind to what a person wants to know, and just dismiss them before throwing insults.

What!? When was ANY insult made in that thread?

[Quyneax]

I give alternatives even if not asked and also when specifically not asked. I do attach a small note acknowledging they asked not to, but still. You will see that you suggest things people did not think of yet.

[dargonhuman]

 

No, I'm pointing out that there are other definitions of efficient that go beyond someone's spreadsheet. For me, saving money in exchange of a lower xp/hr is more efficient than using all that food. My definition of efficient may not match yours, but that doesn't make it less viable. I'm not closed-minded because I have tried the max xp/hr method, found it to be too expensive AND just as long as the "slower" method due to the extra bank trips and decided that it wasn't the most efficient method for me. That doesn't make it wrong in general, just not right for me. If it works for you, then great. My way works for me, and whle it may not match your definition of efficient, it doesn't make it inefficient. It's just a different kind of efficiency.

 

Your definition of efficiency is wrong. You arent saving money for less exp/hr. The time you saved getting the higher exp/hr could have been used to make more money than you saved. And as noted before if you're going through that much food you are using inefficient healing methods or slaying techniques (such as prayer flashing). Just because you feel better about your particular way of training does not make it efficient. It makes it enjoyable for you. Efficient is not some abstract concept that can be applied to anything anyone does based on whether or not they feel good about what they are doing.

 

No it's not; Webster's New World Dictionary defines efficient as "producing the desired result with a minimum of effort, expense or waste." If something gets to be too much of an effort, too expensive or too wasteful, it no longer can be called "efficient". For me, using a lot of food is too expensive and wasteful, and therefore not efficient. Fastest is not always most efficient, no matter what you may want to think, especially if fast means wasting more than saving the slower way.

For example, I work at a hotel atm and my boss wants to get as much money as he can every night. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, as it is a business and he should be making money from it. The problem is, he often overlooks slower long-term profits in favor of faster short term profits, often to the detriment of customer service; he'll often screw our customers over for short-term gains and lose the long-term business from those people. As an example, I made a decision one night that lost us $300 for that night, but earned us over $1000 the following nights because a work crew was running late on a job and I didn't charge them for the no-show (which would have cancelled their reservations outright). In the long-term, that's far more efficient than just grabbing short-term gains. To put it in game terms, our $/night wasn't as high as it could have been, but our $/week was higher as a result.

I approach rs the same way; if a sacrifice of short-term gains means better long-term gains down the road, hell yea I'll do that. The food I would have wasted doing Slayer will serve me better during the difficult quest I'm trying to unlock or while gathering Charms for summoning, which to me is more efficient than using it to train a skill that I'm not even going to touch again until the next quest that requires it. Being efficient isn't about pigeonholing your personal definition and expecting everyone to conform to it, it's about finding the best way to do something for themselves. As I said in a previous post, I tried the fast way, it didn't match with what I consider to be efficient, therefore I found another way that is efficient for me. You may disagree, and that's your right to do so, but that doesn't make me wrong for doing things differently.

[TheAncient]

I'm sorry, if I've made a clear effort to explain my reasoning and a clear effort to help you, and you're too thick or slow to understand my reasoning, how am I not supposed to call you dumb?

[Jaffy1]

I disagree. I don't see any problem with giving alternatives, especially if they are overall better. He never told OP to do in the sense that he would come and make him. It's always ultimately OP's decision, and all wkw did was give him an alternative, and explain why it was better time-wise

 

It's perfectly fine to give suggestions and alternatives, but when someone has made it clear they really aren't interested because they just wish to do it one specific way I don't see why you should ignore their wishes by "rubbing in" that their method is "stupid" as some of the posters did later? The second poster in the example thread (to me anyway) came accross as if he was speaking to a child.

 

What!? When was ANY insult made in that thread?

 

None, but flaming isn't alien to that specific forum either.

The OP may (or may not) have taken offence to some of the comments though. Maybe that's why he responded like this when (after explaining it a first time) he was not listened to? Sounds pretty agitated to me. xD

I'm not worried about money or the efficient use of my time, if you remember the whole reason for playing this game is to enjoy it, not necessarily to get the most done in the least amount of time, if you enjoy that then by all means do it, but I on the other hand want to get 99 craft and as high of mage lvl as I can off MAKING AIR BATTLE STAFFS so I would appreciate it even if you don't agree with it, that you just answer the question and don't post your own opinion. Thank you

 

 

I give alternatives even if not asked and also when specifically not asked. I do attach a small note acknowledging they asked not to, but still. You will see that you suggest things people did not think of yet.

That's perfectly fine because you're being respectful, as in such cases you'd probably phrase it somewhere along the lines of "You could also consider..." rather than "Your method is stupid, do this instead" which is where I feel part of the problem lies. Of course the same can be said from "the other side", but the point remains. Is it not about showing others respect rather than push through one vision? (<-- more of a general remark)

[TheAncient]

I'm sorry, if I've made a clear effort to explain my reasoning and a clear effort to help you, and you're too thick or slow to understand my reasoning, how am I not supposed to call you dumb?

Because you know calling a fairy unicorn the d word makes for a huge flamewar? your are such a dumb person for not knowing that.

I totally recognize that :)

But at some point I feel like im losing my sanity if I let idiocy slide...

 

I feel like I've made an effort to objectively state my reasoning. People just don't listen/ totally miss the point of what I'm saying.

[essiw]

I'm sorry, if I've made a clear effort to explain my reasoning and a clear effort to help you, and you're too thick or slow to understand my reasoning, how am I not supposed to call you dumb?

Because you know calling a fairy unicorn the d word makes for a huge flamewar? your are such a dumb person for not knowing that.

I totally recognize that :)

But at some point I feel like im losing my sanity if I let idiocy slide...

 

I feel like I've made an effort to objectively state my reasoning. People just don't listen/ totally miss the point of what I'm saying.

Instead of calling the person dumb you should just ignore it and move on ;) What do you reach by saying he is dumb? It certainly won't let him understand what you say better, I think it would even makes it worse ;)

[TheAncient]

Butthen you run into the issue of letting people give ridiculously bad advice and reasoning.

[essiw]

Butthen you run into the issue of letting people give ridiculously bad advice and reasoning.

You could edit your last post and explain in there why you think your idea is better so the topic starter reads it (you could even colour it to make him notice it).

[Jaffy1]

Butthen you run into the issue of letting people give ridiculously bad advice and reasoning.

You must call someone stupid in order to be "right" or make a point? :blink:

[TheAncient]

Butthen you run into the issue of letting people give ridiculously bad advice and reasoning.

You could edit your last post and explain in there why you think your idea is better so the topic starter reads it (you could even colour it to make him notice it).

And then the other person will just repeat their statement as well. It needs to be obvious to the person you're trying to help exactly how ridiculous some of the other advice is, or they'll seriously consider ir