What updates would you like to see in EoC?

[Platinum_Myr]

They should automatically target when we click and setup auto attack, but allow us to use ability inbetween if we want. At the very least, we should have the option to automatically have left click target instead of attack.

 

Also, should automatically path to the enemy if we aren't in range.

 

Spell/weapon effects should count for abilities (ancient magic effects, etc) these currently only work on auto attack.

[Ts_Stormrage]

'm shocked at how many people don't even mentio the Wildy zone toggle...

[Platinum_Myr]

Because many of us like that we can toggle to multiway? I love that on multiway-pvp I can hunt penguins and have practically no PKers, cause they know that they could just be piled by people there.

[jayc3399]

Because many of us like that we can toggle to multiway? I love that on multiway-pvp I can hunt penguins and have practically no PKers, cause they know that they could just be piled by people there.

 

How does that work? If you attack someone with multi on, your multi gets turned on?

 

 

PS: TS Stormrage, I could watch your signature for hours.....

[Saradomin_Mage]

You can toggle multiway on or off to determine which group of pkers can attack you. If you have multi on, only other players with multi on can attack you, and vice versa.

 

A nasty exploit is that you can choose to follow someone, and toggle your multi to match his while he runs away. Your following him doesn't break the toggle timer, and once you've switched over you can proceed to destroy him. My brother had this happen to him quite a bit whilst penguin hunting, which is honestly annoying as hell.

[purpieman2]

That is really different. I am happy about momentum being toggled now.

[Cassynder]

I'd just like to see stats make a bigger difference. I'm happy with the momentum toggle.

[Ts_Stormrage]

Obviously someone missed the point of the Wilderness...

[PolarBearBlue]

Obviously someone missed the point of the Wilderness...

 

The Wilderness is the Wilderness and I get it. I shouldn't enter it for the rewards it has if I don't want to die. But honestly, I just want to spy on one of two pengs. I don't wanna mine rune rocks or train on monsters out there. It's not very fun when pk'er takes cheap shots at you knowing you won't fight back. The serious lack of honor is what bothers me at even that level bothers me. I'd understand if I had something on me to lose. But it's not like the pengs give me money on the spot. So it really just waste my time when that happens.

 

But it is what it is, and as said before, you must expect death to go in, so I just dust my shoulders off and die until I get what I want.

[Warlover]

Obviously someone missed the point of the Wilderness...

 

The Wilderness is the Wilderness and I get it. I shouldn't enter it for the rewards it has if I don't want to die. But honestly, I just want to spy on one of two pengs. I don't wanna mine rune rocks or train on monsters out there. It's not very fun when pk'er takes cheap shots at you knowing you won't fight back. The serious lack of honor is what bothers me at even that level bothers me. I'd understand if I had something on me to lose. But it's not like the pengs give me money on the spot. So it really just waste my time when that happens.

 

But it is what it is, and as said before, you must expect death to go in, so I just dust my shoulders off and die until I get what I want.

 

The only reason for them to attack is to increase their kill count for Wildstalker hats. Easy kills for fast levelling.

[Platinum_Myr]

Just because I complain about it, and like multi-way toggle the way it is does not mean I don't understand the wilderness. I don't have to like it, and I can certainly enjoy updates which help me.

[Powerfrog]

I don't think it's unfair to say they should just revert to old combat. But assuming that's not an option (We all know Jagex will %100 commit to their bad ideas no matter how hated they are, see rock climbers)...

 

I'd like to see special weapons back. This pseudo combat variety of new abilities and new purposes for previously turd weapons has only made the combat options less varied and taken all the fun out of combat as a whole, especially PVP.

[Hedgehog]

I don't think it's unfair to say they should just revert to old combat. But assuming that's not an option (We all know Jagex will %100 commit to their bad ideas no matter how hated they are, see rock climbers)...

 

I'd like to see special weapons back. This pseudo combat variety of new abilities and new purposes for previously turd weapons has only made the combat options less varied and taken all the fun out of combat as a whole, especially PVP.

I 200% disagree. I don't think we should go back to a game where ranged was entirely useless and magic was only useful for those with extremely high incomes or in niche situations. There are still some balancing issues, but hopefully they'll be resolved soonish. Special attacks only made crappy weapons good, which was honestly very annoying. Why should level 60 claws be part of a maxed player's arsenal? It makes no sense.

[Alg]

Special attacks only made crappy weapons good, which was honestly very annoying. Why should level 60 claws be part of a maxed player's arsenal? It makes no sense.

More to the point, people justified some of the more broken special attacks by saying that they were balanced because the weapon was so bad, as if that fact balanced how easily some of the specials could trivialize combat to the point where you wouldn't need much else.

[Aiel]

I would like to see more weapons with passive effects though.

[Platinum_Myr]

I would like to see more differentiation between gear, but the new combat definitely has improvements over the old.

[GarryGarry]

skilling abilities not just combat

 

bring back 138 combat make so need 96-99 all combat to be max again

 

2x 99s is a joke =-/

 

make so att/str lvls matter again too at a % not just what gear we have i know they said will see something like this in April hope its good

 

 

90-99 Abilities so far highest is 86

[Platinum_Myr]

They also should look at the balance of their abilities vs the levels, because it seems random at the moment (higher lvl abilities don't seem to be more effective...)

[PolarBearBlue]

I don't think it's unfair to say they should just revert to old combat. But assuming that's not an option (We all know Jagex will %100 commit to their bad ideas no matter how hated they are, see rock climbers)...

 

I'd like to see special weapons back. This pseudo combat variety of new abilities and new purposes for previously turd weapons has only made the combat options less varied and taken all the fun out of combat as a whole, especially PVP.

 

Combat is actually more varied. Those with the money may use Arma cbow and even the cheapest of use can use black salamanders. Why? They are the same tier and thus share the same damage and accuracy. But a black sally doesn't look very cool does it?

 

Also, the abilities are actually there...havoc is basically a dclaw special attack. The only difference now is that it can be applied to all dual weilding weapons. The zammy spear special attack, that a basic stun now. The Dark bow and Magic bow special, that's the 2 Shot ability. The special attacks are there, just applicable to multiple weapons, with the goal of giving players a re varity of things to use and as mentioned beofre, keep crappy weapon from being 12m.

[Estoc]

I don't think it's unfair to say they should just revert to old combat. But assuming that's not an option (We all know Jagex will %100 commit to their bad ideas no matter how hated they are, see rock climbers)...

 

I'd like to see special weapons back. This pseudo combat variety of new abilities and new purposes for previously turd weapons has only made the combat options less varied and taken all the fun out of combat as a whole, especially PVP.

 

How can you get less varied than rapier+claws/SoA?

[Ammako]

2x 99s is a joke =-/

Not being able to reach max combat should you choose to train only Magic or Ranged is a joke.

Though they probably should require us to also have 99 Summoning and Prayer to have max combat.

[Quyneax]

99 attack in any combat stat by itself is a joke really, barely even worth a combat level increase. Two 99s, it depends on which ones, can be alright (e.g. range/mage + hp), but you need 3 minimum (range/mage, hp, def). And for getting at max efficiency for a given style, you need 5 (range/mage, hp, def, pray, summ) plus also overloads. But max combat can't truly be reached until you can perform equally well in all styles.

 

It should really just be a[highest style] + b[prayer] + c[hp] + d[second-highest style] + e[third style] + f[lowest style]

With styles being [(attack + strength) / 2], [ranged], [summoning] and [magic]. Idk a, b, c, you can fight over that.

 

D, e and f should depend on the difference between highest and second highest, e.g. it should be 15% for the second style, 10% for the third and 5% for the second, but only if the difference is less than 10-15 levels, because if you're 99 melees and 80 magic, magic isn't going to add to your dps no matter what hybriding you're doing (assuming equipment goes up to t99 of course). So about 15% * (15 - difference)?

[NukeMarine]

Outside the wilderness, there are very few areas where the combat level is actually relevant. On top of that, the combat level system is never going to be fair since it never takes into account the two critical things: inventory and player skills. The inventory is obvious since you can be 99 in all skills, but if you have nothing on you then you're toast to someone that's 50 in all skills and fully armored with food. The player skill comes into play when you have equally decked out players.

 

Guess the update I'd like to see is allow a free-for-all wilderness option complete with mini-map and player indicators showing who all you can freely attack. Yeah, have a combat formula for things like quests and the PC boats, but give PKrs an option to just kill in the wilderness and not care about what level they're on. Select Free-For-All (along with multi or single way), and players you can attack players that match your mode (single or multi) and either are near your combat level or have also selected free-for-all. On your mini-map they show up as blue dots and you see blue skulls above their heads. White dots and non-skulled players are therefore safe to ignore.

 

Seriously, outside arbitrary separation in combat areas, is there a real need for combat levels?

[Quyneax]

Combat level is an expression of how well-equipped you are for combat from a level perspective, e.g. whether you have the levels for combat or not. As a measurement of that, it currently fails even more than it did pre-EoC, and it'd be good to make it more indicative of what levels you actually have. Of course it's not useful for directly estimating what your opponent can do, but it's easy enough to assume maximum food, and potions are basically always supers or overloads, which aren't that different. Anything less than max food is just a pleasant surprise really.

 

And FYI, a maxed player in maxed equipment can easily kill a player with all-50s, maxed equipment and max food. Dozens of them, if need be. It's only when they start doing damage (drygore) where you have to be worried. It's actually possible to tank anything below drygores using just t85 equipment with a shield (I've tried, and battle-mage/seasinger + drygore rapier + cks completely rips through a mix of Bandos and battle-mage + chaotic longswords).

[Sy_Accursed]

I can understand leaving HP, prayer and summon out but I think it should be more adaptive based on combat style.

Eg it should be:

x+def+2

 

But X should be:

(attack+strength)/2

magic

ranged

(attack+strength+magic)/3

(attack+strength+ranged)/3

(magic+ranged)/2

 

Subject to weapons equipped, sure it could probably be improved further but at least that way it'd give a more accurate idea of their overall combat prowess for what they are doing.

So like someone 99 att, str, def 50 magic and 10 ranged could be

lvl 200 meleer

lvl 151 mage

lvl 111 ranger

lvl 183 melee/mage

lvl 170 melee/range

lvl 131 mage/range