Why is "safing" bad?

[CampbellMC]

Safing is kind of funny to me, I safe nearly always and see it as this, Why should you get to kill me just because you can hit two 30+ hits a row? In my edge gear I whip 45's and if you hit a 40+ 40+ combo that deserves a kill. The fun fights are the safing fights in my opinion where you both safe.

 

 

 

My Experience:

 

 

 

Yesterday I found a level 120 in the same edge gear as me; Fury, Whip, Zerker ring, Torags Legs, Torso, Cape and all the fun stuff :D We both had a tele tab on us, and could easily run. But we only teled if we were red barred (5 hp and under usually) or out of food. Since we both had amazing gear this led to some high hit fights. There were several 45's whipped and even a 41,19 dds spec by me. In the end he finally got the ko on me with a 39,25 dds spec followed by 26,25 spec to finish me off. I was down 9M but it was worth it. He sold me the main stuff back for 8.52M and gave me back rune boots, helm and dds back free.

 

 

 

Id rather have a 1/100 chance of Koing a guy for 9M, than have a 1/10 chance of getting 150k off someone. If I wanted cheap pks id go to world 18 edge.

[Mithril_Max]

this one girl and her friend were running in and out of wild dds specing me (and tagging) and whenever I ate they called me a sad safing noob lol, just goes to show what kind of people expect this of you

[Guest Ranqers]

Safing isn't bad, more like a good thing. Its just a dum word some idiot made up because he cant pk. Those dum words are just excuses for why your better then them. Stop safing...thats the same thing as stop making it hard for me to kill you.

[Mico]

Safing isn't bad, more like a good thing. Its just a dum word some idiot made up because he cant pk. Those dum words are just excuses for why your better then them. Stop safing...thats the same thing as stop making it hard for me to kill you.

 

 

 

AMEN! Is there a church preaching this?

[Elessar3019]

Safing is bad because it takes the point out of PKing.

 

 

 

People PK not for loot, but for the excitement. If both players safe, neither player has any chance of getting k0ed. Therefore, you're both wasting food, potions, and time. The fight is pathetically boring and therefore no one wants to fight you.

 

 

 

It's called "professional courtesy". If you give them a fair chance of winning, they give you a fair chance of winning, both people enjoy the fight more.

 

 

 

And if you're too scared to risk the items, then you shouldn't expect people who enjoy taking risks to fight you. They're better off fighting other people who are willing to take the risks.

 

 

 

You act as if this is a debate over what should and shouldn't be allowed in the Duel Arena. It's the wildy: Jagex designed it to be this way, a free-for-all area with no rules. IMO, it's all in the spirit of PKing to use all the utilities at your disposal to defeat your opponent. If they run, cast bind or range/mage them. If they want to tele, tb them. If they want to pray; either continue with whatever you're doing, pray against them, or switch combat styles over and over. If they want to eat a lobby when they take more than 12 damage, more power to them.

 

 

 

Essentially, if you tell someone to "stop safing," you're telling them to "let me kill you."

[RUNESCAPEfantasy]

its people that want to pk for loot as many people say when eva i in wild i ask if its for fun or for loot if its for fun i wont safe cos we both have chance if its for loot(pures)i safe farcast pray to anyoy the nub pcp pures

[Geekman]

i know this sounds stupid but before i fight with ppl ill warn them that i may safe and i dont give a !@#& about it. :thumbsup:

[davidium]

Someone who safes please try to argue against my point here:

 

 

 

I've spent a lot of my rs time in the wild, and after a while i've realised that if you over eat (safe) you won't get pks. Whats the point in going in the wild and eating at half health and often because you won't get sufficient rounds in to kill someone. The only time that safing is beneficial is if you're in multi combat or tagging on someone. Otherwise your overeating means that you won't get a pk as well as the other person, you won't win many fights if you overeat which defeats the point in going to the wild. - to pk people.

 

 

 

I have no problem with when people eat but when they try to justify it by foolishly thinking they'll get a load of pks even if they safe well they're deluded or not experienced in single combat pking. I've seen a lot of "i eat so i dont die", yeah you don't die but you certainly don't get many pks.

 

yea so safers dont get pkers...err i must be suffering from amnesia, remind me what has that got to do with you again? its the safers issue if he likes to pk safe cause that is his style. you cant get someone to change his/her style for you. even though what you say may benefit them in getting more kills but it may also cause them to die and lose their items too right. imo "safers" are just created by pkers whose victims have evaded them many times resulting in the pkers feeling frustrated but since they are not willing to take higher risks to go into higher lvl wild they stay at lvl 1 wild calling ppl safers when they dont dare to go to the higher lvl wilds? they call ppl safe so that once their opponents hp is below 2/5 "switch to dds and dish out 4 specs" which has a pretty high chance of killing the opponent...

 

whats wrong with safeing anyway? unless you are dharoking it will serve as a double edged sword (means can have both advantages and disadvantages) and ppl who safe are just simply trying to avoid those disadvantages.

[Mico]

:-s I eat when I hit 25 hp since pures my levels can hit 25. AND I get called a safer. Then the pure starts eating at like 10 hp and he keeps on eating since he has no armour and 1 def :twisted: bye bye pure. OFCOURSE I normally get piled by a couple of magers, meaning I' ll just pray, eat eat eat and run.

[Master_Smither]

Because these little 8 year old girls we call pkers want a way to kill you faster.

 

 

 

It's like saying don't eat while i kill you.

[ugafan_2009]

Because these little 8 year old girls we call pkers want a way to kill you faster.

 

 

 

It's like saying don't eat while i kill you.

Do you pk frequently?

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the people who say that nothing is bad with safing pk.

[Triforceelf]

Wait, your whining cause I am making sure I dont lose? Why dont you do the same thing? Maybe then we can see who will win. Its not cheap tactics if both sides are capable. Its called "your a moron" if you can use something to your advantage and choose not to. Its not the other guys fault he was born with a brain and you were not.

[T. Skill]

Safing is bad because it takes the point out of PKing.

 

 

 

People PK not for loot, but for the excitement. If both players safe, neither player has any chance of getting k0ed. Therefore, you're both wasting food, potions, and time. The fight is pathetically boring and therefore no one wants to fight you.

 

 

 

It's called "professional courtesy". If you give them a fair chance of winning, they give you a fair chance of winning, both people enjoy the fight more.

 

 

 

And if you're too scared to risk the items, then you shouldn't expect people who enjoy taking risks to fight you. They're better off fighting other people who are willing to take the risks.

 

 

 

I agree with you on most points, except not all people that PK find excitement in it the same way. True most experienced PKers quickly get bored when people always eat and are never in danger of being KOed which essentially takes all the fun and risk out of PKing for them. But when you find a newer, less experienced PKer, or maybe someone who doesn't have as much money to afford their gear if they lose it and wants to experience the thrill without the risk of losing their items, then they safe because PKing is still fun, while at the same time they can save themselves from being KOed. This, admittedly, is no fun for the other player to whom the thrill of victory by KOing is a big part of PKing to them.

[S6er112]

Safing is bad because it takes the point out of PKing.

 

 

 

People PK not for loot, but for the excitement. If both players safe, neither player has any chance of getting k0ed. Therefore, you're both wasting food, potions, and time. The fight is pathetically boring and therefore no one wants to fight you.

 

 

 

It's called "professional courtesy". If you give them a fair chance of winning, they give you a fair chance of winning, both people enjoy the fight more.

 

 

 

And if you're too scared to risk the items, then you shouldn't expect people who enjoy taking risks to fight you. They're better off fighting other people who are willing to take the risks.

 

 

 

...PK for excitement.....professional courtesy....taking risks....this when discussing pkers?

 

 

 

The same spineless bottom feeders that pk unarmed RCers? where's the excitement, risk or professional courtesy with that?

 

 

 

The same spineless bottom feeders that pk skillers training on greens....which is fine if it wasn't taggers doing it 5 on one....where's the excitement, risk and professional courtesy when you team on a single skiller?

 

 

 

you have got to be kidding me..... none of those things exist with pkers, or I can for sure say with MOST, as generalizing any group is wrong. I especially love when as they pile on me, 5 on one, and are squealing "lol...OWNT"....."eat piggy eat"....um yeah, how about bring it all by yourself? without your 5 friends tagging in and out....or when I am RCing and unarmed.....let me go get my toys so I can one hit you. meh.

 

 

 

Spineless

 

 

 

 

 

S6er112 clears his throat and speaks softly. "Your outlook on player killers is very one sided my good high level, i do realize that your words were said long ago but you must realize that not all of us 'player killers' are as you say. Not once in my life have I attacked one lower than me (well other than those three that were gettin on my nerves two years ago.) Unless they attacked first. also i never in all my p2p days attacked a rc or a skiller...you must realize amongst the true player killers there is a code of honor." With this spoken S6er112 turned back to his pipe and drink.

[Cobradudes20]

I dont have a problem with safing personally since im a tank pures have a hard time KOing me. But what annoys me to no end is when they go OMFG YOU NOOB YOUR WEARING ARMOUR. TAKE OF YOUR ARMOUR OR I RUN..yeah...im going to take of my armor just because you ask me to and while im at it heres my food and my scim as well.

[Fasty]

"Safing" is perfectly legal in the wilderness, if you don't want risks of dying, don't take them. For all of you pixel huggers saying "safing" is bad, you just want items for yourself. For you saying pking is for like excitement, I have 1 question..What color is the sky in your world? Pking is solely for the loot and nothing else. You are basically saying that if you would lose nothing upon death, people would still pk as much as they do now? They would make 200 pures a day? The answer is no.

 

 

 

So, "Safing" is always going to be legal, face it. Just like Praying, Teleporting, and everything else is legal. It's called the wilderness! Not the give me loot pit!

[Master_Smither]

Safing is bad is a pkers eyes because:

 

 

 

Z0mg I can't 1 hit j00 you safing n00b!

 

 

 

They're just whining.

 

 

 

Safing requires the same amount of food as none safing it's just that they can't 1 hit you.

[hbk_hossack]

Like i've said before, PKers hate "safers" (or smart people) because they make it hard for the Pkers to beat them. In other words, it's not bad.

 

 

 

 

 

Tat \

[IAm314159]

People have the right to eat at ANY time, and the right to violate Wilderness "honour" rules at any time that they want to. It is their power to decide their fate in a huge PVP arena that is filled with people who act like noobs who pout and shriek at missed opportunities to dds someone.

 

It has come to my attention that the Wilderness is full of noobs who attempt to report people who for example, wear armour of a higher standard when PKing, but I must say good people who act like real fighters do exist in Runescape. Such people should be applauded for their bravery in going against the norm and being out of the ordinary to have a good and exhilarating PK. Although I do not PK, I would seriously like to have a nice fun duel with them some time. They deserve our gratitude for being a good role model for future RuneScapiens to follow.

[ugafan_2009]

Wait, your whining cause I am making sure I dont lose? Why dont you do the same thing? Maybe then we can see who will win. Its not cheap tactics if both sides are capable. Its called "your a moron" if you can use something to your advantage and choose not to. Its not the other guys fault he was born with a brain and you were not.

Who would win between two safers in wild you can easily run out of? Easy, neither of them! Safing in low level edge makes fighting extremely boring and a huge waste of sharks and prayer potions. Again, I'm going to go out on a limb and call you out on not being a regular pk'er.

[foodmanfood1]

It's not "bad", but, like everything else you can do in the Wilderness, it has its strengths and weaknesses.

[amitoz]

I am an honour pker. Always will be. Safeing, praying, running in DM's, teles, I hate them all. Stay in pits or something if you cant handle real combat.

[ianer101]

Who would win between two safers in wild you can easily run out of? Easy, neither of them! Safing in low level edge makes fighting extremely boring and a huge waste of sharks and prayer potions. Again, I'm going to go out on a limb and call you out on not being a regular pk'er.

 

A "regular pk'er" should have the brains to ice or bind the safer as he tries to leave. If you've got the stuff to bind+teleblock the runner, there's nothing he can do.

[erichkiller]

If you safe, then you are smart because living is the whole point of pking. Well some of you might say the whole point is to kill but if you don't live, how can you kill anyone? It doesn't ruin Pking it just is another tactic to use in it.

[Omega_Pure1]

If you ask me, i would say "Safing" is a pathetic excuse in p2p, in f2p its understandable i suppose, but in p2p...

 

 

 

The damage p2pers can do goes higher and higher, and now its at the point where if you don't safe, you risk getting 1 hit at any moment, now i honestly think one is just being stupid if they like risking getting 1 hit so much.

 

 

 

For an example, lets assume 99hp is safing, 60hp isn't, for 60hp currently there is..well too many ways on p2p to take you out in one hit, Dharoks,Godsword,Dragon Dagger,Whip could take ya out in two hits also, to make things worse (Note that I'm only speculating here) when summoning comes out, our damage may increase even further, which means... perhaps if you safe or not it doesn't really matter. lol