Tip.it's Stance on Luring (with Jagex's official stance)

We've come up with a decision on luring.

If luring is used to mean the pking tactic of drawing someone in the wild to your group (however one personally feels about the honor of it) it can be considered a pking tactic since the confrontation and the chase leading to the group took place in the wild.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we are referring to trade scams in which a player is misled to go to a place where they can be pk'd when they came in good faith of selling an item then that is not allowed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This isn't explicitly illegal in game and it is really something that people should be smarter than to fall for. That being said, glorifiying and bragging about it is no different than bragging about switching a Guthans spear for leafbladed. The latter case would not be allowed, likewise someone should not be boasting about the phat which they received in an illgotten way.

UPDATE from Jagex (3/29/07):

RuneScape Forums > PK-ing > Luring in the Wilderness - New

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We recently clarified our position on Luring in to the Wilderness. It was our belief that the dangers of the Wilderness were sufficiently well documented to mean that anybody choosing to enter the Wilderness did so in the knowledge that they could be killed and could lose items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With this in mind, we didn't consider Luring to be a reportable offence. However, we did not want to encourage the practice as we still believed it to be dishonest and not in the general spirit of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have very carefully considered this and taken on board feedback from players about this clarification. In particular, there were those that were unhappy that Jagex would be seen to allow such a deceptive act in the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would now like to re-clarify our position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Luring in to the Wilderness is against the rules of the game and can be reported under Rule 2 ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ãâ Item Scamming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Players that choose to take advantage of others by tricking them in to the Wilderness or by under-selling the dangers of the Wilderness will be in breach of Rule 2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regardless of this, it is very important that all players are very careful when approaching the Wilderness. If you choose to go in to the Wilderness then you may be killed and may lose items. If there is any deception involved in luring you to the Wilderness then we may take action against the player that killed you, but we cannot be responsible for any items that you lose as a result of this decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This rule in no way relates to standard incidents of PK-ing. No player should report another player as a result of losing a PK-ing match.

There's be a clarification to Rule 2 - Item Scamming in the Rules of Conduct too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some examples of item scams are:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* Offering an item and then removing the item within the first or second trade screen.

 

 

 

* Offering an item and changing the agreed price within the first or second trade screen.

 

 

 

* Misleading players by providing false or inaccurate information, for your own personal gain.

 

 

 

* Luring players into the Wilderness under false pretences.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To keep RuneScape enjoyable for everyone please observe and follow this rule. We will not tolerate disruptive players, and if you break our rules your account is likely to be banned. Members who are banned for breaking our rules are not entitled to any sort of refund.

We will lock any thread found to be breaking these rules here in the Graveyard. In addition, please help by reporting videos that break this rule.

If there are any questions, please post them here. Thanks. :)

Everyone is no nit-picky about honor, a kill is a kill....

Not to call out ye olde tip.it staff, but luring someone is so much different than changing an item in a trade. They get a huge sign warning them about the wilderness, which imo places 100% blame on the person who's lured.

Finally, i hate lurers...

pmg i like watching lure vids :(

oh well back to luring nubs to abby spects

pmg i like watching lure vids :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh well back to luring nubs to abby spects

Youtube seach every few days :roll:

Finally, some less scum on this forum.

Nice choice guys.

Although I hate luring, this is quite disappointing. Another example of Tip.It's superfluous rules.

this is good luring deverse to die

I disagree with this decision, as jagex haven't actually confirmed that luring is against the rules.

Ethically it's wrong, but there are 2 warnings (As you enter the wilderness and as you trade) so it is the person's own fault.

Just my 2 cents on it.

My personal feeling on this is tht luring is tht luring is like using pro. prayer when pking. But it is a personal choice and jag. has not deemed it against the rules so it is perfectly fine to do.

This is like saying do not post any videos or pictures of you using protection prayers or something. Outrageous.

Well it's really the person's fault. They saw the wilderness warning sign when they went in. If they ignore it out of sheer habit, still their fault because it's there.

Wilderness is Wilderness :-w

This is like saying do not post any videos or pictures of you using protection prayers or something. Outrageous.

How true

It bothers me how people say "Its their own fault, there is a warning sign when you enter."

Yes, there is a pop-up saying you are about 2 enter the wildy. Yes, it does stop you from walking. However, how many times does that happen? Its like your bank pin, you only have to click through it once. After you have seen the, and clicked ok on, the warning sign, it no longer appears. Therefore, if you have entered the wildy once already that day, you are no longer saved by that sign.

It is immoral, and it is deceitful. You are representing yourself as someone who is going to do one thing, then doing the complete oppisite. You are no better then a theif and a liar.

It bothers me how people say "Its their own fault, there is a warning sign when you enter."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, there is a pop-up saying you are about 2 enter the wildy. Yes, it does stop you from walking. However, how many times does that happen? Its like your bank pin, you only have to click through it once. After you have seen the, and clicked ok on, the warning sign, it no longer appears. Therefore, if you have entered the wildy once already that day, you are no longer saved by that sign.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is immoral, and it is deceitful. You are representing yourself as someone who is going to do one thing, then doing the complete oppisite. You are no better then a theif and a liar.

You don't enter your BP once every day lol :lol: It's everytime you log in. So if you're using your account log out, then you get hacked the hacker still has to type in the bank pin. I guess tip.it is just trying to copy RSC with basically the same name title for the topic :roll: What is wrong with tip.it? Jagex has not CLEARLY stated that luring is against the rules.

 

It bothers me how people say "Its their own fault, there is a warning sign when you enter."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, there is a pop-up saying you are about 2 enter the wildy. Yes, it does stop you from walking. However, how many times does that happen? Its like your bank pin, you only have to click through it once. After you have seen the, and clicked ok on, the warning sign, it no longer appears. Therefore, if you have entered the wildy once already that day, you are no longer saved by that sign.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is immoral, and it is deceitful. You are representing yourself as someone who is going to do one thing, then doing the complete oppisite. You are no better then a theif and a liar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't enter your BP once every day lol :lol: It's everytime you log in. So if you're using your account log out, then you get hacked the hacker still has to type in the bank pin. I guess tip.it is just trying to copy RSC with basically the same name title for the topic :roll: What is wrong with tip.it? Jagex has not CLEARLY stated that luring is against the rules.

I am well aware of that. I meant that if you did not log out, then only once a day. I guess I should have been more clear.

However, my point still stands.

u get warned as u go in to the wildy and its only pixles u get something once u can get it again at the end of the its a game get over it :ohnoes: :D

Hah! In your face lurers. No more bragging on TIF

Nice job, Tip.It Staff. :)

This is quite a controversial issue, and I applaud TIF on taking a stance.

Now, you may argue they are given a warning screen. You may argue that it's only a game. And yet, does this make it ethical? Let's think about it earnestly here. By luring a seller into the wilderness, you are lying to someone, taking from them their items that they honestly are just trying to sell, and then (usually) laughing at them/gloating about it on the forums. By Jagex's definition, this is scamming; it is decieving another player for your own personal benefit.

In a case of ethics, we can see that this is, obviously, an unethical thing to do. And yet, it is true; ethics are not absolute laws. I am not denying to the reader that ethics do not have to be followed. But would you want someone treating you this way? Would you want someone spending their time actively trying to lie to you so that they can flaunt around newfound pixels that they've stolen from you?

Finally, the last, and least backed-up arguement: It's only a game. Yes. It is a game. But it is not only a game. Every pixel you steal by scamming someone, every fake unit that is transferred, is a manifestation of that person's time. These pixels represent the time that person has toiled away at this game, and by scamming someone of them, you are robbing this person of their time, their boring work put into this game.

You all arguing against me are right. There's no law against it, and no one is stopping you. Yet please, think of the person behind the other monitor. Think of their emotion as you steal hours of their life from them. Just because no one can see your face on the internet doesn't justify doing this to real people.

^ My two cents on this subject. I dunno, I may be wrong, but I sure as hell have a pretty good argument going, if I do say so myself.

I stand by this decision, and believe the staff at tip it made the correct choice.

Scam luring is NOTHING to brag about, and therefore posts should not be made on it. This also goes for abbysal pkers who fight RC'ers for glory ammies. Yes it may be legal, but it is far too easy to boast about and is considered scum by all true pkers.

This forum is for pkers and stakers only, not people who lie, cheat and attack the defenceless.

Nice work Tip it :lol:

Everyone is no nit-picky about honor, a kill is a kill....

dont cry if someone lures you then, a kill is when you fight someone and they actually fight back.

This is quite a controversial issue, and I applaud TIF on taking a stance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, you may argue they are given a warning screen. You may argue that it's only a game. And yet, does this make it ethical? Let's think about it earnestly here. By luring a seller into the wilderness, you are lying to someone, taking from them their items that they honestly are just trying to sell, and then (usually) laughing at them/gloating about it on the forums. By Jagex's definition, this is scamming; it is decieving another player for your own personal benefit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a case of ethics, we can see that this is, obviously, an unethical thing to do. And yet, it is true; ethics are not absolute laws. I am not denying to the reader that ethics do not have to be followed. But would you want someone treating you this way? Would you want someone spending their time actively trying to lie to you so that they can flaunt around newfound pixels that they've stolen from you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally, the last, and least backed-up arguement: It's only a game. Yes. It is a game. But it is not only a game. Every pixel you steal by scamming someone, every fake unit that is transferred, is a manifestation of that person's time. These pixels represent the time that person has toiled away at this game, and by scamming someone of them, you are robbing this person of their time, their boring work put into this game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You all arguing against me are right. There's no law against it, and no one is stopping you. Yet please, think of the person behind the other monitor. Think of their emotion as you steal hours of their life from them. Just because no one can see your face on the internet doesn't justify doing this to real people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ My two cents on this subject. I dunno, I may be wrong, but I sure as hell have a pretty good argument going, if I do say so myself.

Well, for arguments sake:

It seems that the only lure being singled out here is tree/oziach luring.. Which generally I believe is so run-down its hardly worth debating anyway, but lets have a go at it, eh? :P

By luring a seller into the wilderness, you are lying to someone, taking from them their items that they honestly are just trying to sell, and then (usually) laughing at them/gloating about it on the forums. By Jagex's definition, this is scamming; it is decieving another player for your own personal benefit.

Not neccessarily. I'd argue that Jagex has made it completely impossible to decieve a player using that luring method. Y'know that giant warning screen that pops up when someone enters the wild? Yea, that Jagex informing your victim that you are lying to them. In which case, they must have some foreknowledge of your deceitfulness, and come to you anyway. That is simple greed - which is what oziach/tree luring thrives on. Another player's greed for "more pixels."

But would you want someone treating you this way? Would you want someone spending their time actively trying to lie to you so that they can flaunt around newfound pixels that they've stolen from you?

 

 

 

Sure.. Go for it.. I for one have played this game long enough, or simply been alive long enough, to generally know when someone is trying to deceive me. There is a reason sayings like "Too good to be true" and "No such thing as a free lunch" exist in this world --- its because they are true. Personally, I'd rather be taught a lesson like that online than in the real world.

Every pixel you steal by scamming someone, every fake unit that is transferred, is a manifestation of that person's time. These pixels represent the time that person has toiled away at this game, and by scamming someone of them, you are robbing this person of their time, their boring work put into this game.

I'd venture to argue that GENERALLY, this is untrue. Most people nowadays who are stupid enough to still fall for these lures fall under two categories:

People who have played since RSC or before, and just happened to be lucky enough to keep one of these items stashed in their bank before they quit/went on hiatus/etc, but obviously have not been putting in the time others have since they stashed their rares.

People who have friends who gave them items when their friend quit. Drop party, etc.

Generally, a player who has earnestly put the time and effort into accumulating the massive amount of wealth it takes to own these items, has enough knowledge of the game to know better than to step into the wild with it. MOST of the people who get lured nowadays are those who HAVE NOT put the work into their pixels, they achieved them through some other means (and who is to say those were legit methods).

There is a reason people lure low level on their lvl 70's-80's, because these are the same levels as people who don't earnestly deserve their rares as they haven't put the time and effort into getting them. When was the last time you saw a 120+ tree luring? To my recent recollection, everytime I've walked past a lure they've been in the lower 80's, supporting the idea that those who have actually put their time into this game are the ones who aren't being lured because they know better - and thus deserve and have earned their pixels.

Even if you wanted to argue the low combat due to merchanting/skilling -- you'd still have to invest massive amounts of time and effort into knowing the ins/outs of Runescape, and as a merchant you'd come across smaller scams long before you got lured for a santa+ and ought to have a general idea that "too good to be true" is a reality.

luring is just like switching a guth spear to leaf bladed.... instead the lvl 3 wcer drags you into the wilderness then *switches* to the lvl 103 or whatever who's trying to ice blitz you. People have tried to lure me.. and the guy was just low enough to attack me... the people must look up on forums for combat lvls or something.. I cant wait till jagex ban people who lure.