But it's not that a draw won't get you into the final 4, for more sports fans, it's mostly about hope. The fact that you have a CHANCE to get into the final 4, not that there's no chance at all. If a baseball team wins it's division with 40 wins and 142 losses, they have a chance to win the World Series, they may not, but at least the fans have something to hope for. So if the USA makes it to 32, we at least have more hope than we wouldn't have had without making it :) . But, believe it or not, maybe I do like soccer. I am definetly not a hard-core fan but I really enjoyed watching that game yesterday between Italy and the USA. Maybe I never really enjoyed Soccer because I didn't have a team :) . Plus this is a big scale nevertheless, but still, maybe I am starting to enjoy soccer and this flame-war can be over. :) PS...If i have a team to root for. In a baseball game, if I go to one and I don't have a team to root for, or against, I really cannot fully enjoy watching the game. :-k