IMO I think anyone who quit has a problem. There's always the wilderness. Whats the difference besides an extra risk? especially those who stake major amounts of cash. If they were willing to fight people in the duel arena, surely they can alter theit goals to the wilderness? Unless there's a specific way to level to set up a perfect dueling account that differs from a pker, I don't see the problem.

Based on what I know, staker accounts aren't great at pking necessarily. Plus the wilderness has pjers and such. Overall not the same thing at all.

 

 

 

Imagine what Jagex could do with 5.04 million dollars a year? They could hire 50 new employees with a 6 FIGURE INCOME ($100k per year or more) and put them all on customer service and stopping the real world traders. Maybe they could even give the goldfarming companies in China BRIBES to STOP GOLDFARMING (heh, like that would work...)? What the hell, they could probably save 20,000 starving people in Sudan with that kind of money (like they would think of that?). I don't know, but pretty much anything would have helped more than what they did do.

 

 

 

 

As I recall, Jagex gives hundreds of thousands of pounds to charity.

 

 

 

And that estimate is not conservative at all. I would say that at the most, 30,000 members will quit.

the update does not end staking. you dont have to participate in tournaments if you dont want to. same as the "grand exchange" you dont have to use it, just keep doing stuff the traditional way...duh!!!

Don't the majority of stakers "drop trade" to their main accounts?

 

 

 

They can deny it all they want, but, I think they do. Who gets money for 94 magic, 97 range, 70 all combat skills, and such, with NO skills what-so-ever. Dont give me muck about merching, as they do that on their mains.

i have a f2p str pure with no skills. its caled world 16 air running. its not very fast but it works very well. after i got 200k i merchanted till 1mil :D drop trading is too risky in my eyes. i tryed it once, lost 2 rune scimmies :x

They actually don't lose any money. All they do is get less profit, but I don't see how this could directly cost Jagex anything.

They actually don't lose any money. All they do is get less profit, but I don't see how this could directly cost Jagex anything.

 

 

 

losing potential money is also a problem.

 

Think of the bad reputation that jagex get from this, so people won't hear as often that Runescape is a good game, it'll have more negative rep.

 

 

 

Losing potential money is sometimes more infuriating than losing actual money. One day on runescape i saw a phat on the floor (someone died in the abyss when it came out lol), but lagged out; and i always wonder how things could have turned out. ITs very frustrating.

 

 

 

On tuesday i could have won another 100m at the duel arena, but i may never know.

 

 

 

Jagex could have had a lot more money and been a more successful company, but we may never know. Thats what will eat away at Andy Gower, losing him sleep; he could have been richer.

I'm pretty sure they make around 5 million a month people, since they said they hit 1 million members.

 

 

 

That is 60 million a year.

I really don't think the Duelling changes will have much of an impact on Jagex income.

 

 

 

Only a small percentage of players actually play duelling, and smaller percentage still will feel so annoyed that they'd quit. There's plenty of other things to do when you're a member anyway.

I like the way you did it. I had forgoten about the recent polls about stakign adn now suspect they were designed to help Jagex predict their upcoming loss.

 

 

 

But it wouldnt be a 6 figure income because there a British companie so they pay in pounds which are roughly worth 2 dollars each. Just means a 6 figure in teh states, canada, or austrailia would be 50, 000 pounds in Europe.

 

 

 

In england you mean... They got the ÃÆââââ¬Ã¡Ãâì in europe you imperial chauvinist :P

 

pounds are used in all the uk (Northern ireland, wales, scotland, england), not just england, and the uk is part of europe. (correct statement: pounds are used in the uk, euros are used in the rest of europe)

 

 

 

Just to correct your correction : ponds are used in the UK and euros are used in MOST of europe, eg if memory serves me right Sweden does not use euros.

Before the update on November 20th, since the beginning of runescape, staking was known as the best moneymaker, and moneyloser in runescape.

 

 

 

lost my attention here... that is just an absurd lie. Staking has not even been around since Runescape started. Since you started your argument on a lie I am sure the rest is just as ridiculous.

Why oh Why can the stakers not use thier acc's in tournaments, sereously, give me one good reason why not? mage staker? wait untill a Mage only tourny?

 

Melee staker? wait untill melee only tourny?

 

Mixed staker? wait untill mixed tourny?

 

 

 

Its not like theres 0 use for these acc's anymore, now they actually need skill to use them, not luck of 4 good hits.

 

 

 

Please stop moaning, its not like they got rid of staking completely, they just made it harder and it needs more skill

Don't the majority of stakers "drop trade" to their main accounts?

 

Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

OT:

 

 

 

In fact, I think Jagex have lost quite a bit of money considering they released the DD Summoning Diary not even on a Tuesday. If they have quite a lot of people cancelling memberships all of a sudden they are going to panic and say "Well tell them we're coming out with summoning so they don't quit and stay to see hwo cool that will be".

 

 

 

Just a theory.

Don't the majority of stakers "drop trade" to their main accounts?

 

Of course not.

 

 

 

 

 

OT:

 

 

 

In fact, I think Jagex have lost quite a bit of money considering they released the DD Summoning Diary not even on a Tuesday. If they have quite a lot of people cancelling memberships all of a sudden they are going to panic and say "Well tell them we're coming out with summoning so they don't quit and stay to see hwo cool that will be".

 

 

 

Just a theory.

 

I think they were always planning to release the DD last week. Probably planned that way to try and get attention away from the duel update. Surely they would have known that players wouldn't like it.

 

 

 

I'd say there are very few players who only have a staker account. More often than not, they will have a main or more as well. Therefore, unless they cancel all their accounts, the overall hit on Jagex will be minimal. What it will mean of some, is they will start to enjoy the game in other ways ... probably creating a new account for a different type of gameplay.

the update does not end staking. you dont have to participate in tournaments if you dont want to. same as the "grand exchange" you dont have to use it, just keep doing stuff the traditional way...duh!!!

 

Staking as it was before is dead. The tournaments are designed so those with the highest combat skills and GP amounts will win. Traditional stakers can't really compete under those conditions. Nor can they overstake like they used to.

There's one thing this thread doesn't seem to have covered yet: Jagex would have known that they'd be losing stakers over this.

 

 

 

Imagine you're running RuneScape, such a pleasant dream.

 

You've gotten it into your head that you're going to wipe out staking.

 

Obvious question is - "Won't all the stakers quit?" Well, maybe not all of them, but you're still chucking away customers.

 

So, you go and check out how many stakers you've got. That way you know the scale of the risk you're taking. You're running the game, so you can get real statistics on how many people are staking. Here on the fan-forums we can only guess at ballpark figures based on our experience and gut-level feelings, but Jagex should have the ability to count the stakers accurately.

 

 

 

Apparently you find that stakers are not a very big proportion of the community, so you go ahead and kill staking, accepting that a proportion of your customers will leave, but believing - based on your research - that it's going to be okay in the long-term.

 

 

 

We can tell Jagex that we hate what they're doing, but frankly this isn't going to surprize Jagex in the least. They clearly know that they're driving away a number of people, and they clearly reckon that it's worth the temporary loss. (This implies that there's little practical point in complaining about it, but I wasn't planning to stop.)

 

 

 

PVP combat is, frankly, not RuneScape's greatest strength. RuneScape's best sellable features include its storylines, its humor, its simplicity and its low computer requirements. Those are things that will continue to bring in new players to replace the people who are quitting.

 

 

 

There's been much talk about this sort of change being likely to kill RuneScape. I'm predicting that RuneScape won't die, it'll just change. Maybe it'll change into something that many of us don't enjoy so much, so people will go play other games. But it'll still have features that other people do like, so it'll continue running off those instead. For example, the tournaments, as a stand-alone feature, are a nice minigame. New players, and we know RuneScape has sooooo many new players, can enjoy the tournaments without caring about the loss of big stakes. The quests remain pretty decent, and there are still plenty of skills to train, with Summoning promised for 2008. We know that looks good, cos someone leaked a load of graphics for it.

 

 

 

I'm fairly confident that there'll still be a RuneScape... for those of us who still want anything to do with it.

Yes they foresaw that. But they think it was worth. (Tbh it isn't.) But if you really do like Runescape you will adjust for example I followed a RS Community blog of a staker Libum1 s/he made tons staking got all 99s banked including cannonballs for slayer, two sets of everything rares, bandos etc. But he/she adjusted and is now no.1 ranked staker making alot less.

The thing that bothers me the most is that they have such a low limitation. 3k? WTF is that? Nothing =;

Like u said in the 3rd or 4th paragraph not all 1.2mil accounts are MEMBERS.

 

 

 

Adjust ur equations to take 7% from the members not the entire population in runescape. It would have a bit less the half of $420 000 a month.

 

 

 

I think its around what 40/60 to f2p?

i have to disagree. most people didn't super hardcore "i quit cuz it changed" staking, so most people have come back, or never left Runescape.

 

 

 

Staking was a way to make money, and only a few people used it sucessfully, while others went out, lost it all, and never staked again. I agree, that people who staked, and only staked may quit RS because their main fun attraction in Rs is gone, but others who casually staked for a little money will probably move on to other game parts, not to mention Jagex's unveilment of the new skill, which will obviously bring lots of players into the game that have been off for quite some time, especially older players who wanted Summoning back when it was originally announced.

 

 

 

Although i see what your saying, they can't have lots a ton of money, because the majority of RS doesn't stake

Your numbers are CONSERVATIVE??? Most will go pk! In addition, you dare say that 11% of those people are HIGH STAKERS? I bloody well think not! I doubt there were 15 000 staking acounts, let alone 84 000!

You cannot lose something you don't have. Jagex doesn't 'lose' money, the simply forgo the opportunity to make money. Technically.

lol if this was to stop real world trading then everyone that quits is going to sell their money and accounts.

 

 

 

thats like all the richest people on runescape coming to sell all their money.

Jagex will lose a lot more money then they already have, read my thread and you'll see what I mean. They're losing lots of money to make the game incredibly better (IMO).

No.