Trading update fault discussion

[Lionheart_0]

Guys, there is a difference between removing a few lines of code in theory and actually doing it.

 

 

 

To a programmer, a few lines of code could be about 500-1000, which takes a long time to look through and figure it out. Just wait it out and they will eventually get it.

 

 

 

Plus with a game like runescape, there are so many variables that most of them have to be accountable for.

 

 

 

How many lines of code does it take to change the price of yew longs in the GE from 704 to 610?

 

 

 

I wouldn't know as I cant program java script, I only know normal java, and only the basics of that.

 

 

 

I will tell you this though, it is more then one line as the variable will have to change as the market price changes (Because its the average of what it is being sold at, right?).

 

 

 

Lets say there are 5 lines of code for one item to change (Just an estimation). Now imagine they have to change about 400 items because they just screwed up that much. 5 *400= 2000. Thats 2000 lines of code that must be edited and tested.

 

 

 

Now for the trade system to work that is much different as you don't just edit the code, you have to make sure that all things are taken care of (Such as bugs which bring you right to the second trade page and such) and make sure each item is connected to the grand exchange price and such.

 

 

 

I have attempted to make a simple text based rpg in normal java (Which is easier to code then java script) and it is taking me forever to get through two rooms. Imagine jagex doing what they are doing now...

[addy--cady]

 

Do any of you have any clue how programming works?

 

I know 14 programming languages, care to test me?

 

 

 

 

WOT DOES HTML STAND FOR?

 

>_< Hypertext Markup Language...

 

 

 

Guys, there is a difference between removing a few lines of code in theory and actually doing it.

 

 

 

To a programmer, a few lines of code could be about 500-1000, which takes a long time to look through and figure it out. Just wait it out and they will eventually get it.

 

 

 

A ton is a ton, a few is a few... Programmers are people, who know quantities, too.

 

 

 

Jesus, I made an unintentional rhyme... >_>

 

 

 

 

 

Plus with a game like runescape, there are so many variables that most of them have to be accountable for.

 

 

 

if(Math.abs(getTradeValue(0)-getTradeValue(1)) > 3000) send('Invalid Trade');

 

 

 

Using a theoretical method to return the value of all items on the given side of the trade, and the theoretical method 'send' which would send both clients the 'Invalid Trade'.

 

 

 

This is in no way actual code, but in theory, it works.

 

 

 

P.S. Lionheart_0, There is no way in hell they would be stupid enough to make static code for each item in the GE. It's all Dynamic, I assure you.

[qeltar]

 

Lets say there are 5 lines of code for one item to change (Just an estimation).

 

 

Sorry, but the actual answer is "zero".

 

 

 

You don't write code for each item. It's just entries in a database. The number could be changed in a matter of seconds.

 

 

 

Jagex has had over a MONTH of people trying to tell them about bogus prices.

[Ravenkana]

 

Lets say there are 5 lines of code for one item to change (Just an estimation).

 

 

Sorry, but the actual answer is "zero".

 

 

 

You don't write code for each item. It's just entries in a database. The number could be changed in a matter of seconds.

 

 

 

Jagex has had over a MONTH of people trying to tell them about bogus prices.

AND they're a multimillion dollar/pound company and SHOULD have a team of programmers who know what they're doing.

[Lionheart_0]

 

 

 

 

 

Plus with a game like runescape, there are so many variables that most of them have to be accountable for.

 

 

 

if(Math.abs(getTradeValue(0)-getTradeValue(1)) > 3000) send('Invalid Trade');

 

 

 

Using a theoretical method to return the value of all items on the given side of the trade, and the theoretical method 'send' which would send both clients the 'Invalid Trade'.

 

 

 

This is in no way actual code, but in theory, it works.

 

 

 

P.S. Lionheart_0, There is no way in hell they would be stupid enough to make static code for each item in the GE. It's all Dynamic, I assure you.

 

 

 

Ah ok. That makes sense. As I said I only know the basics and didn't know it could go through a database like that.

[baalboy5]

Flame war over a company? if you don't like a mistake they did then just keep complianing, I'm sureeeee they haven't noticed and that your complianing will cause their attention.

 

 

 

Leave jagex alone, they did more good then bad with this update, so leave them alone and go complian about maplestory or something.

[Fools_Taco]

Ya this "fair trade" update cost me a set of ranger boots. I got scammed. And before all you clownskulls jump on the "its your fault durr durr durr you should have checked the second trade screen" i have to remide you, i dident think getting scammed like this was possable AFTER the update. And JAGAX assured me IT WAS NOT POSSABLE. GG jagax. As if you let people use a loop hole in a FAIR TRADE update to scam people.

[baalboy5]

Ya this "fair trade" update cost me a set of ranger boots. I got scammed. And before all you clownskulls jump on the "its your fault durr durr durr you should have checked the second trade screen" i have to remide you, i dident think getting scammed like this was possable AFTER the update. And JAGAX assured me IT WAS NOT POSSABLE. GG jagax. As if you let people use a loop hole in a FAIR TRADE update to scam people.

 

 

 

it's ur fault, don't blame jagex that you wanted to try it out. they never asked you to put ranger boots in a trade and see if it works.

[jessy87]

Ya this "fair trade" update cost me a set of ranger boots. I got scammed. And before all you clownskulls jump on the "its your fault durr durr durr you should have checked the second trade screen" i have to remide you, i dident think getting scammed like this was possable AFTER the update. And JAGAX assured me IT WAS NOT POSSABLE. GG jagax. As if you let people use a loop hole in a FAIR TRADE update to scam people.

 

 

 

 

 

nice

[addy--cady]

Ya this "fair trade" update cost me a set of ranger boots. I got scammed. And before all you clownskulls jump on the "its your fault durr durr durr you should have checked the second trade screen" i have to remide you, i dident think getting scammed like this was possable AFTER the update. And JAGAX assured me IT WAS NOT POSSABLE. GG jagax. As if you let people use a loop hole in a FAIR TRADE update to scam people.

 

 

 

Another reason to get FireFox- Built in Spell Check.

[Ts_Stormrage]

And now a J mod (apparently) confirmed that Summoning is going to be partially f2p...

 

 

 

I guess Jagex doesnt like having paying customers...

[Sly_Wizard]

WOT DOES HTML STAND FOR?

 

 

 

I'm a little late to the party, but hypertext mark-up language lol

 

 

 

And, XML, is the way of the future (Though it's waaay more complicated).

[Armadyllo]

I'm not seeing the big fuss about Jagex failing to block unbalanced trades first try. It's funny. Besides, it's not the first time they did an update without anything happening; for the Warriors' Guild update, everyone was stood on a hill outside Burthorpe shouting "Where is it?" until Jagex rebooted the servers again. I love these little moments.

 

 

 

Sure it'd be nice if they'd not mess up an update, but if they're going to do an update that doesn't work, at least it was the update that most people didn't want in the first place.

 

 

 

Agreed, it'd be nice if they'd use that list of price corrections and do something with it. That sort of thing does annoy me.

[Vincent]

is this still a problem? if it's been fixed, i think leaving this thread unlocked just adds to any confusion.

[addy--cady]

WOT DOES HTML STAND FOR?

 

 

 

I'm a little late to the party, but hypertext mark-up language lol

 

 

 

And, XML, is the way of the future (Though it's waaay more complicated).

 

You mean XHTML. XHTML is sort of a mix of XML and HTML.

[o_knames]

To those using the quote, im pretty sure he meant delete code and making everyone trade the same. I would imagine its alot different changing it so everyones trade limits are diffrent. I have a feeling jagex will be paying out some overtime to get this fixed asap.

 

 

 

Finally, somebody thought before posting. He said the "few lines of code" thing way before the quest point change was even considered. I think everyone would agree that would make it more complicated to code.

[das]

To those using the quote, im pretty sure he meant delete code and making everyone trade the same. I would imagine its alot different changing it so everyones trade limits are diffrent. I have a feeling jagex will be paying out some overtime to get this fixed asap.

 

 

 

Finally, somebody thought before posting. He said the "few lines of code" thing way before the quest point change was even considered. I think everyone would agree that would make it more complicated to code.

 

 

 

Heard of an IF/else statement?

 

 

 

Jagex has became a corporate soulness monster.

[ChalieCokedIt]

Don't you see unbalanced trading is only a few lines of code. If you want him to only do that you will stuck with strictly market price no 3k fluctuation's and also nothing to do with the quest points.

 

 

 

The part that has obviously screwed up the update was adding the quest points to have different amounts tradeable and adding in the 3k fluctuation.

[Armadyllo]

Jagex has became a corporate soulness monster.

 

 

 

Jagex can, effectively, choose:

 

 

 

1. Make the game internationally popular, giving fun to millions.

 

Requires hundreds of staff (preferably more Support staff than they've actually got) and lots of management to keep everything running smoothly.

 

This makes Jagex rich too, but that's a good thing because it can fund more servers, more developers, more bandwidth.

 

Unfortunately, a company of ~400 people is going to have far more trouble with its internal communications than a start-up company where everyone knows what everyone else is doing. Thus you get announcements from a website team that don't match what the programmers did. (There was a lovely thread about this.) Also you get updates where no-one seems to have had the gumption to see if it worked first; that's going to happen more often when you've got people assuming it's someone else's job to fix.

 

 

 

2. Keep the game small so that it can be run by a tiny staff without any communication gaffs.

 

Everyone would know everyone else, and instructions could be passed down from the top of the hierarchy to the newest staff without needing to be filtered through layers of procedure and protocol.

 

Requires the game to be so unpopular that only a handful of people ever plays it.

 

 

 

I really don't believe it's possible to scale a company from 3 lads programming in their mom's kitchen to ~400 hired minions without the company losing its up-close-and-personal face. Sure, it'd be more cosy for the select few players if RuneScape and Jagex were still small, but it'd be a rather selfish attitude!

 

 

 

Jagex could probably do better than they have done, though, especially over the communication of the RWT updates. The over-hyped cheerfulness of the BTS documents and update announcements is also getting on my nerves.

[bizzyboy]

Do any of you come on this forum for something other than mocking Jagex anymore?

 

 

 

Do any of you have any clue how programming works? YES

 

 

 

Do any of you have any clue about the Java programming language? YES

 

 

 

NO

 

 

 

jagex is failing , they have over 150 employed , they have time too , they can prepare their update they dont have a death line . soon , jagex will remove all trade from the game and we will only trade by ge ....

[SwreeTak]

Yeah, I agree. You should be able to get more trading rights with high skill levels or achievement diares! Let's hope for that Jagex introduces this in the game.

[XxTearGodxX]

Okay so Jagex messed up with their update to remove Unbalanced Trading from the game, so what? It's a bug, whoever can still make unbalanced trades knowingly that it was supposed to be removed should be punished for bug abuse that is my opinion on the matter.

 

 

 

Every gaming company has it's flaws and nobody is perfect, they are only human and so are you. Mocking them does not make you any better than them or does not hurt them one bit, they're still working on removing it from the game no matter what.

 

 

 

Grow up and live with the updates, if your going to sit here and mock about how Jagex do a bad job about updating their game then go learn Javas or whatever code it is you need to design a game of your own and make one better than Jagex, I'd like to see you even *try*.

[MasterMarduk]

Give them some time. Imagine the amount of pressure from 5 million players they must be feeling. Give Jagex some credit, they eliminated the bots.

 

 

 

5M players of which 1/10th were Pkers, Half were F2p and now id say its around 4M players If not less.

[Ravenkana]

Okay so Jagex messed up with their update to remove Unbalanced Trading from the game, so what? It's a bug, whoever can still make unbalanced trades knowingly that it was supposed to be removed should be punished for bug abuse that is my opinion on the matter.

 

 

 

Every gaming company has it's flaws and nobody is perfect, they are only human and so are you. Mocking them does not make you any better than them or does not hurt them one bit, they're still working on removing it from the game no matter what.

 

 

 

Grow up and live with the updates, if your going to sit here and mock about how Jagex do a bad job about updating their game then go learn Javas or whatever code it is you need to design a game of your own and make one better than Jagex, I'd like to see you even *try*.

OUT OUT, demons of stupidity! I call upon the powers of Saint Dogbert to remove these foul demons of brownnosing! OUT OUT!

[meili]

Jagex still doesn't get what "testing" means, but they sure do know how to give everyone a good laugh in the new year. :lol:

 

 

 

*cheers* Here's to expecting massive bugs when summoning comes. Oops, did I accidentally summon a party hat and it's on the floor now?