Will I get held back?

[RichieMcD]

Rofl... held back... yay for the English educational system where any [developmentally delayed] can go through :thumbsup: Compared to the American system it's so laid back... you don't have to pass anything until you get to 16 and do GCSEs, even then you can retake them at college.

 

 

 

Think that's a joke? If you fail every single subject on your JC (Irish version of GCSE's) you can still go on to sit 7 subjects for your LC (Irish version of A levels)

 

 

 

American educational system sounds either extremely serious or easy, not sure what to choose on.

 

 

 

Right now, I'd say the average for my year in maths will be around 50-60%, and we're in the top 20 schools in Ireland, extremely hard test with a lazy year of students = C average.

[Racheya]

Rofl... held back... yay for the English educational system where any [developmentally delayed] can go through :thumbsup: Compared to the American system it's so laid back... you don't have to pass anything until you get to 16 and do GCSEs, even then you can retake them at college.

 

 

 

Think that's a joke? If you fail every single subject on your JC (Irish version of GCSE's) you can still go on to sit 7 subjects for your LC (Irish version of A levels)

 

 

 

American educational system sounds either extremely serious or easy, not sure what to choose on.

 

 

 

Right now, I'd say the average for my year in maths will be around 50-60%, and we're in the top 20 schools in Ireland, extremely hard test with a lazy year of students = C average.

 

I've got a friend stressing over her Junior Cert (I think they are), apparently she doesn't even need to then. Over here if you don't pass your GCSE's they'll try and push you into vocational 'education' where you can learn to be a bricklayer or a hairdreser or something...

[RichieMcD]

Rofl... held back... yay for the English educational system where any [developmentally delayed] can go through :thumbsup: Compared to the American system it's so laid back... you don't have to pass anything until you get to 16 and do GCSEs, even then you can retake them at college.

 

 

 

Think that's a joke? If you fail every single subject on your JC (Irish version of GCSE's) you can still go on to sit 7 subjects for your LC (Irish version of A levels)

 

 

 

American educational system sounds either extremely serious or easy, not sure what to choose on.

 

 

 

Right now, I'd say the average for my year in maths will be around 50-60%, and we're in the top 20 schools in Ireland, extremely hard test with a lazy year of students = C average.

 

I've got a friend stressing over her Junior Cert (I think they are), apparently she doesn't even need to then. Over here if you don't pass your GCSE's they'll try and push you into vocational 'education' where you can learn to be a bricklayer or a hairdreser or something...

 

 

 

I did it last year, honestly junior cert was created for what used to be a common occurrence, people leaving school at 16 with no qualifications so now they at least have some form of qualification. Of course since it's extremely irregular now to not finish school the JC is nothing more than an overemphasized summer test.

 

 

 

The only thing it really has a say in is class streaming and whether they'll be able for honour or ordinary subjects.

[atronic92]

Haha, I don't get how you can get over 100% though. I mean, its not like it should make any impact.

 

 

 

It's called extra credit.

 

 

 

Suppose you have three tests per semester worth 100 points each and 30 homework assignments worth 5 points each. The total number of points possible is 450. Let us pretend that you have gotten 100% on every test and turned in all your homework assignments fully completed. Here's what your grade report might look like:

 

 

 

Test A: 100/100

 

Test B: 100/100

 

Test C: 100/100

 

Homework 1: 5/5

 

Homework 2: 5/5

 

Homework 3: 5/5

 

etc.

 

Homework 15: 5/5

 

_______________

 

Total: 450/450

 

100%, A+

 

 

 

But if your teacher let you do an extra credit assignment or project worth 20 points then your grade report could possibly look like this:

 

 

 

Test A: 100/100

 

Test B: 100/100

 

Test C: 100/100

 

Homework 1: 5/5

 

Homework 2: 5/5

 

Homework 3: 5/5

 

etc.

 

Homework 15: 5/5

 

Extra Credit: 20/0

 

_______________

 

Total: 470/450

 

104%, A+

 

 

 

 

 

At my high school, extra credit is very common. Usually you cannot improve your grade by much more than 2% with extra credit, though, so only enough to change that 59% F into a 61% D- (which is a passing grade at my school).

 

 

 

 

 

Another possibility is that the grades have been falsely "curved". Usually when one says that test scores have been "curved", one means that the mean of the test scores has been found and any test scores between the mean and one positive standard deviation become B's, scores between one standard deviation and two standard deviations get A's, scores higher and two standard deviations get A+'s, scores between the mean and negative one standard deviation get C's, scores between negative one and negative two standard deviations get D's, and scores lower than negative two standard deviations away from the mean get F's. Assuming that the test scores are normally distributed, about 2% of tests will be A+'s, 14% of tests will be A's, 34% of test will be B's, 34% of tests will be C's, 14% of tests will be D's, and 2% of tests will be F's.

 

 

 

 

This is a graph of a normal curve. The mark in the middle that looks like a "u" is the mean and the units on the other marks that look like "o" are standard deviations. The mean of a set of data is the sum of all the pieces of data divided by the number of pieces of data. The standard deviation of a set of data is the square root of the mean of the squares of the differences of the data and the mean. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation#Basic_example for a more clear explanation.

 

 

 

Here's how applying this idea to test scores might work:

 

Mr. Roberts is a chemistry teacher. He is known for giving very, very hard tests. He has 100 students in his class. He gives one test to his class and the average grade is 50%. The standard deviation of the grades is 10. He chooses to "curve" the test. This means that anyone scoring 70% on the test gets an A+, anyone scoring 60% gets an A, anyone scoring 50% gets a B, anyone scoring 40% gets a C, anyone scoring 30% gets a D, and anyone scoring less get an F. Assuming the test scores are normally distributed, roughly 2 students will get an A+, 14 students will get an A, 34 students will get a B, 34 students will get a C, 14 students will get a D, and two students will get an F. "Curving" the test grades helped the students. Normally, if a 10-point grading system is used, any students scoring less than 60% on a test will get an F. In this example, only 16 students would have passed the test and 84 students would have failed. That would be seen as unacceptable to most people, as it demonstrates that it is most likely the teacher's fault that so many students failed the test.

 

 

 

Here's another example of how applying this idea might work:

 

On an especially easy test, the mean of the test scores is 94% and the standard deviation is 3. Scores of 97% and above are A's, 94% is a B, 91% is a C, and 88% is a D. Any score lower than 88% is an F. This displays the downside of applying a curve to test scores instead of using the 10-point grading system. As many students that get A's must get D's. As many students that get B's must get C's.

 

 

 

Now here's a situation that may occur from falsely "curved" grades:

 

The mean on a test is 60%. The standard deviation of scores is 20. If a 10-point grading system was used, roughly half of the students would have failed. That would be seen as a major failure on the teacher's part. Instead, the teacher inflates each student's grade by 20% and then uses the 10-point grading system to maintain the idea of a C+/B- average. You had 60/100 written on the top of your test? Your teacher crosses it off and writes 80/100. You had 85/100 written on the top of your test? Your teacher crosses it out and writes 105/100. One student's D-/on the verge of an F turns into a C+/B-. And another student's B turns into an A+. Now 12% of scores fall into the 100-120% range, 34% fall into the 80-100% range, 34% fall into the 60-80% range, and 14% fall into the 40-60% range. Thus, 12% of scores are A+'s that earn extra credit, 34% of scores are A's and B's, 34% of scores are C's and D's, and 12% of scores are F's. The proper way to fix these grades was not to add 20% to each student's grade, but to examine the grades from the point of view of a normal distribution curve. If you do, then only 2% of students fail and most of the grades end up as B's and C's instead of 12% of students failing and 12% of students getting greater than 100%, neither of which I think should happen.

 

 

 

If one earned greater than 100% on a test, their grade report might look like this:

 

 

 

Test A: 120/100

 

Test B: 100/100

 

Test C: 100/100

 

Homework 1: 5/5

 

Homework 2: 5/5

 

Homework 3: 5/5

 

etc.

 

Homework 15: 5/5

 

_______________

 

Total: 470/450

 

104%, A+

[Lenin64]

Do you wanna go to college?

 

He's in 7th grade. Not high school.

 

 

 

Missed that.

 

 

 

I wasn't the hottest kid in 7th grade...

 

Times haven't changed much, I'm sure.

 

 

 

And wow, atronic. I was going to tell him, "It's extra credit, chucklenuts. It just means if you get less than 100% on an assignment, you can still have a 100% in the class".

 

 

 

But with only two Fs and those As and Bs, you'll probably still pass. Especially if that's only one marking period, not the year grade.

[Nowayout59]

I think failing is failing, and if you have a failing grade you should have to retake that class or at least have to take the class next year. No one in any of my classes tries and we all have A/B honor roll on the 7 Pt/grade system. It really can not be that hard to pass with a bit of effort.

[m0nkeym0j030]

I think my problem in math is that I easily get distracted.

 

Also, I SUCK at organazation, I do all my homework, but they get lost in my bag. And homework is 50% of my grade, and I've only turned in 25% of it due to my messy backpack.

 

I get F's on my tests because of my easily distracted-ness lol, and i lose my notes so i cant study.

[l0rd]

 

Suppose you have three tests per semester worth 100 points each and 30 homework assignments worth 5 points each. The total number of points possible is 450.

 

 

Only like half my teachers use this type of grading scale. But yeah if your teachers offer extra credit, DO IT. My teachers don't, or very seldom.

[ThurinEthir]

How are you doing so badly. In seventh grade. I doubt you're getting held back, because most hold-backs are do to discipline or parental choice/ doing so badly they're ashamed to have to at the school, but still. How the hell can you do that badly?

 

I was surprised it took so long for someone to say this.

 

Unless you're at some intense middle school, or unless your teacher really hates you...Really? I would still question a 59%, but 38%? REALLY? WITH SETH AND AMY?

 

Okay, enough of that. I'm sure you have your excuses.

 

I highly doubt you'll get held back in middle school. Even in high school, I'm pretty sure they would only make you retake the subjects you're failing.

[Mr_Adam]

In my district, you would not be held back, I think.

 

 

 

You must pass math and english to continue, with an average yearly grade. You're math average is a 65 - a D ish. So you win. Barely.

 

 

 

I suggest doing extra credit though.

[justcallmedaddy]

Science and Mathematics are the two most important subjects for the big boy jobs. You have an F in both.... :?

[Skill_Caster]

So what's responsible for the grade dip?

 

I found a game called Maplestory.

 

 

 

 

MapleStory?

 

 

 

...Are you serious?...

 

 

 

Just ask the teachers that you've realized your falling behind and really want to get ahead. You're in middle school, it might work. But honestly, MapleStory?...

[anonymous1234]

Nobody thought that perhaps he could go to summer school? :wall:

[magegoogles]

This is assuming that you are in a US school system because most school districts go off this method for elementry and middle school grades.

 

 

 

You must pass both math and english. And you may either pass science or social studies. Now in summer school they generally only offer math and english for the midde and elementry school grades. This means the only way to ensure failure is if you fail both science adn social studies. So if he does manage to fail math for the year, he will just have to take that. Now if he is an advanced math for his grade, he will pass and retake it next year.

[deathdrow]

How are you doing so badly. In seventh grade. I doubt you're getting held back, because most hold-backs are do to discipline or parental choice/ doing so badly they're ashamed to have to at the school, but still. How the hell can you do that badly?

 

it's not hard at all to do that badly, it's kind of pathetic, since it's easy to do good(well?) in school. first term this year I had a 22 in english and a 9 in art. didn't do any work at all.

[Skull]

So what's responsible for the grade dip?

 

I found a game called Maplestory.

 

 

 

 

MapleStory?

 

 

 

...Are you serious?...

 

 

 

Just ask the teachers that you've realized your falling behind and really want to get ahead. You're in middle school, it might work. But honestly, MapleStory?...

 

You (and I :oops: ) play Runescape, Maplestory can't be that bad. Granted I've never played it but...

[Nenga]

So what's responsible for the grade dip?

 

I found a game called Maplestory.

 

 

 

 

MapleStory?

 

 

 

...Are you serious?...

 

 

 

Just ask the teachers that you've realized your falling behind and really want to get ahead. You're in middle school, it might work. But honestly, MapleStory?...

 

You (and I :oops: ) play Runescape, Maplestory can't be that bad. Granted I've never played it but...

 

Even by WoW fanboy standards maplestory is worse than runescape. If that says anything.

[Kenshinjapan]

Yeah, but Over 100% is a mathmatical failure concerning grades. You can not do better than the most amount of marks available.

 

 

 

 

 

...Huh?

 

 

 

Maybe you should've been paying attention in math class :lol: .

 

 

 

Seriously though, you won't get held back, although it is ridiculous your grades are that low in 7th grade.

[Will H]

Stuff

 

None of those explanations justifies getting more than 100% though. When you get 100%, you have achieved all of the marks available, and that should include any extra credit or weighting (which I think should be reflected in the grades, not the marks). You can't just add marks and call any result a 'percentage' unless you use a denominator equal to the maximum possible marks. If the value for the maximum possible marks is undefined, don't use a percentage at all!

 

 

 

@OT: You may or may not be held back, depending on how decisive those marks are in the terms of your education.

[Guest]

Will you? Doubt it.

 

Should you? Perhaps.

 

 

 

38 in math...Yeah, that needs some work. I don't know when your semester's over (Or did you already say? Whatever.), though, becuase although you couldn't pull off an A, you might be able to get to a 60 by:

 

 

 

Finding lost homework

 

Asking for extra credit

 

sending your teacher a gift basket

 

Doing bloody amazing on any tests/assignments coming up.

 

 

 

 

 

As long as you understand it, I think that's enough. For example, I'm also in 7th grade, and for my math tests I have to explain every little detail, circle my answers, make sure my writing is perfectly straight.... In other words, I can get every question right on a test and only get a 75% (avarage, here in canada). In real life, nobodys really going to force you to "divide the numerator by the denomenator" to find out 2/8 is 25%. I understand why they need you to do all of that, but as long as you get the question right, I think you understand it..

 

 

 

I read that over, and it makes no sense at all to me. I'll sum it up.

 

 

 

As long as you understand it, I think thats enough. Grades don't affect anything really in 7th, but it is important to at least be able to do everything. It probaly matters to your parents, though :|

 

 

 

So just review your math in the summer, even if you can't scrape together a pass. If you really want to know it, ask for some homework over the summer, although I doubt thats going to happen (Nothing personal, no one wants to do school work during summer :lol: )

[RpgGamer]

...

 

Math: F (36.54)

 

 

 

 

I reason this is why you couldn't figure this out yourself. You have a 76.79 overall AVG which is well...average. Your GPA is nothing special, but unless your in some fancy-[wagon] school you won't get held back. I'm shocked frankly. I would think having a 37 in anything would constitute year round failure. Oh, and good move delting Maple Story...that was murdering your grades. Shows motivation for self improvement :thumbsup:

[Pinkbullet3]

Do you think you're good at any sports, activities, etc.?

 

 

 

If you don't think you'll do well academically, try advancing in your particular strength and use that as a primary goal to get you along.

 

 

 

At the same time, try and bring up your grades by any means nece... well.

[pennywise]

lol, junior high. no you won't be held back. people at my school had 1.something gpas and still went on.

[Latinoking]

Just pay for summer school. And try to keep a balance between Maplestory and School. It's not very difficult.

[Panzerlord]

ow...and I thought that failing that one Spanish exam was bad LOL. Gl m8. Pm me for tudoring if you're really desperate

 

=P~