200M in all Skills

[MightyMuddy]

Wow reading about it, that is pretty cruel Jagex. Good luck with it :P

[Water]

Well well, I have to say that I'm rather surprised reading these posts by you Drumgun.

 

Not too many people even knew you existed...

untill you started to pulverize some records and people started to wonder;

"Hey, who is this Drumgun guy anyways?".

 

That, combined with the fact that you're considered one of the top players

(who aren't likely to post on forums like this :wink:) really caught my breath when I saw your name showing up in this thread.

"You think Thé Drumgun would waste valueable time on a topic?? Nowaiii!"

 

Well, I guess I was wrong... :razz:

 

I know we had a brief confrontation before (which was totally based on prejudices),

and therefor, I'm greatful for reading this and realising you're not the hopeless case I heard you were.

(That's a good thing btw :grin:) This sure cleared up a lot.

I enjoyed reading it and I hope you start a blog or something,

just to keep the crowd updated on what you do in life... I said it right, right? :razz:

People like the way you treath them, with respect...

So maybe it's up to you to whipe some prejeduces away about top players? I hope this thread started that, I really do.

 

I wish you the best of luck with both your skills/goals and your health.

 

Friendly greetings,

Water is Nat.

[xpx]

Interesting reads, Drumgun.

 

About the moneymaking part, why did you specifically choose abyssal demons? As far as i'm concerned, they havn't been camp-worthy since whip prices dropped below ~6m and it's not really significant money/charms now or when you did it. I see that you have tried your hands at boss hunting, but really, if you are to play 19 hours a day, frost dragons/tormented demons would be a perfect place for you to camp and get all the money in the world. Neither of them is great xp, but the fact that you can get 4m profit an hour while also getting an effigie every 90 minutes would make it well worth it with the goals that you have in mind. The effigies could easily cure the problem of a lack of slayer xp(~up to 40k slayer xp an hour at those places while still getting the money).

 

As for you still trying to achieve the goal first, i really can't see you as a frontrunner with the methods that you have chosen. Sure, playing two times as much as other people is a good method, but sooner or later you'll understand that you will be severely limited in trying to efficiently train your skills, and when that is going to slow you down, there are alot of other people ready to just keep on going. It is extremely likely that slayer could be the wall in your way, and if it isn't slayer, farming could also become a problem if you don't focus on it in the next year or so. Even though all these failiures and mishaps in trying to foresee future updates, you are still very much up there as one of the very best skillers today, and if it weren't for your crazy methods, you wouldn't be half as well known(that str xp gain was crazy, and nolife summoning on top if it made it even more of a laugh, congratz on that).

[PereGrin]

The funny part is that the people who make those comments play this game aswell...So not only are the people who make those 'get a life' comments and think about it that way shallow, they're wannabees aswell. And no, I do not respect that.

 

Well, I guess the above paragraph kind of answers how I feel about other players/people, Jsboutin2. But to make it short and sweet for ya: I treat and respect people the way they treat and respect me. Like, if someone who doesn't know me randomly goes off flaming me for having the stats that I have, I'm not gonna be answering that with 'Good day chap, how's life treatin ya then?' if you know what I mean, lol.

I remember maybe 5 weeks ago, you "crashed" a TIFer at bandos, and when he didn't just give up, you said something along the lines of "If you don't leave, I will give your name to my friends"

 

And you followed up by saying, "Name given. Enjoy the rest of your RS experience."

 

How exactly do you justify this?

 

I believe you also said something about him not rising to your caliber as an rs player, or something to that effect.

 

 

Oh, and totally unrelated, but how did you avoid getting banned for botting while you were summoning? Did Jmods drop by every now and then to make sure you were logged in? I know they say they watch strange xp gains, and unusual play times.

[Viv]

i like what drumgun says

 

tbh most high lvls that play alot are working on thier future not really burning their life away.

 

19hr a day is crazy nuts and when it comes to fishing/rc the more hrs would probably win....

 

w/o merching thiers still alot of ways to make money and they are always making more ways to make money with new bosses or certain updates

 

such as frost dragon as well as more efficient ways to do old bosses such as overloads now make it possible to do .

 

i guess the top players that did dungeoneering pre f47 and us doing dgneerign pre f60 are kinda being inefficient

 

@ squisher yah i think thats why alot of people root for zarfot as he plays really efficiently made all his cash flipping and i think has less than 500 days played (ima almost be the same pretty soon sht :() other top players have 600+ days played and worse stats also he values all skills equally i think while drumgun does things his way and prob wont value all things equally.

[Aiel]

I think players like zarfot because he makes lots of informative videos/guides.

[Troacctid]

Well, it's certainly an interesting turn to see some Drumgun posts here. This sort of discussion is always more engaging when one of the major players is directly involved.

 

Myself, were I to put money on the race to maxed everything, I'd bet on Zarfot. That guy is ridiculously over-the-top efficient.

[Drumgun]

Oh hey Water! Yeahh I remember that you thought I botted hunter or something lol XD. Well that's okay, though it's a bit sad that you prejudged me and were hostile from the start pretty much lol. Well anyway, it's okay and a clean slate would be nice. :)

 

 

Xpx, thanks I guess lol, though I'm not sure about this wall you speak of. All skills 200m is not a goal of mine. Slayer and farm would be minus 350m exp. Seeing as I have 23 other skills to work with, that's still well over 4b xp. Not saying that all of those are going to 200m lol, but it gives me plenty of options thats for sure. I don't think you've read all that I said though, cuz I did say that I've been working on quests so that I can do wgs, aka I can't even do td's yet lol. Also, I chose abby demons because they're less of a death risk, and some great people were camping there aswell so I had no reason to leave really. Besides, it was a goal aswell to get 200m attack on them atleast so I just switched them up with zombies after I got that. Worked great - good exp, good money and good conversations. Now I'm sure td's would be better money wise, but it also draws those arrogant people I was talking about towards them. People crashing you by luring td's to attack you doesn't sound like a nice atmosphere to me. Anyway, gonna try it one day I guess - though frost dragons sound alot more fun to me. Obviously I didn't do those instead of abby demons, because they didn't exist yet haha :P

 

 

And finally, Pere. First of all I think you're not being very objective. While this is being discussed on TipIt and that guy is apperentaly is a TIFer, it is understandable that you aren't, but I hope you realize that there's always 2 sides of the story, and you've only heard his side so far. Now I don't think you're in a position to demand for any justification, nor do I like the tone in the rest of your post. It's probably a waste of time to tell you what really happened, but I'll tell you anyway.

 

My gf and I logged into a world and saw that there was a guy soloing already. So, we were being nice and logged into lobby so that this player could finish his trip in peace. We logged in shortly after that again, and noticed the same player was still there. BUT! He was being crashed by a new player, which was your friend. I don't like how some people think that a divine + chaotic weap + other pro stuff gives them the right to do anything they please. Clearly they do not care for others, and he had the arrogant attitude to match it. We explained that we were waiting for that player to finish his trip, but since he was crashing him already, odds were low that he wasn't gonna crash us either. So nope, he continued to crash, the player we were waiting for had to tele out, and then it was just us 3. So of course we outhit him at first, and then he left to get his proper crash gear. And yep he did come back with it, making more arrogant remarks while doing so.

 

I am a man of justice. If an injustice occurs, then I'm going to do something against it. Certainly when it involves me directly, obviously. Now then, dear Pere, I'm sure he was happy to screenie the final part of our conversation and give his own deranged twist to the story (wouldn't expect anything less from such a person), but I'm sure that he didn't tell ya how it started or screenie the things he said first, did he now? Idgaf if he's your friend, or a TIFer, or the queen of England for all I care; being unreasonable and arrogant like that and I'm going to have a problem with you. I gave his name to some pro bandos friends of mine, funny actually, they were people that I met at abby demons. Anyway, they'll know that he's a rotten apple now. Of course that can all be reversed, if you can get your friend to apologize - and he must also promise to never crash someone at bandos again. If your friend is the amazing and innocent guy that you make him out to be, this won't be a problem will it? And if he says 'hell no!'...now that would just prove my point now wouldn't it?

 

Oh and lastly, I believe that you are in violation of the tipit bulletin board rules. I'm 100% sure that you know better than that concerning botting and top players. I don't bot nor do I take part in any other illegal activity. People who do bot all get caught by Jagex before they even hit a few 100m total exp btw, let alone 2b+ exp lol.

 

^Sorry for going a bit off-topic there, could someone with authority on these forums please sort him out? Thank you. :)

 

 

Edit: Oh and I agree Troa - when talking about all skills 200m Zarfot is a definite contender atm. But like I said earlier, unless he gets something more out of it than just Rs fame, I highly doubt that he will make it that far because with a 10h a day playing time, that's still a LONG way to go - probably too long if Rs fame is all there is that's up for grabs. SUOMI has the best longterm odds for it imo, and I hope that it will be him because he doesn't merch either which I like - although I would like to see him work for his money a bit more and not get it by donations. If he does that then yeah, he has a decent shot at it. But it might be too long for him aswell, only difference here though is that it's actually his goal + he has the 2nd most playtime a day in rs (longterm wise), apart from me.

 

Besides that, I also think that Aasiwat has a decent shot at it - because it turned out that he didn't get his money from keeping free/cheap rares and sell em now for big cash after all, meaning that he is able to work for things. Though he does merch I believe, and then again, it took Aasiwat much longer to get where he is now (8+ years?) >>Edit: Just remembered something, he did quit in the meanwhile for a certain period, so the 8 year should be 4-5 years instead<<, meaning that it'll take him very long still, should he decide to go for it. When we're talking about longterm #1 overall exp though, I give myself the biggest chance to get it - keeping in mind that it only took me 2-3 years to gain 2b exp, while not even using the fastest exp methods, nor mousekeys, nor merch and all that, starting from scratch and not even training the easiest skills to achieve it. But hey! Everything can happen, so we'll just have to see how it goes. Perhaps some unexpected person will go in superoverdriveskiller mode @@@ and get all 200m's first haha. Either way, gonna be interesting to see. :)

[crashNburn]

Interesting to get some backstory on what we've been discussing for quite a few pages.

 

Do you intend to chin to 200m range? I've noticed you seem to be range slaying a tiny bit (or possibly just slaying period). Front page on all combat skills would be cool, there's a large margin for prayer, but much less for range.

[Cassynder]

I, for one, do not care.

[Water]

Oh hey Water! Yeahh I remember that you thought I botted hunter or something lol XD. Well that's okay, though it's a bit sad that you prejudged me and were hostile from the start pretty much lol.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that... Didn't mean to turn out like that lawlz. :blink:

 

 

Well anyway, it's okay and a clean slate would be nice. :)

Fair enough. ;)

[Youmu]

Heh, top players are a rare occurrence. Drumgun, why did you decide to lurk all this time? :blink:

 

Also, what else do you plan on doing in the future?

[Silvertaler]

Wow you guys wrote alot after that huh! Well, now that I've had my good night's rest, I guess I can answer some questions etc before starting thieving properly :P

 

Okay well, maybe I'm the wrong person to ask some of these things to, because my way of handling stuff and thinking about things is kinda, uhm, unique? I'll just start with the heavy question as an example. I guess when playing time a day is concerned that this only applies to me and to SUOMI in some way aswell. I play that much a day because I achieve things fast if I do so, and it's a good test to see how far my capabilities can reach. Anyway, I'm planning something huge for my future involving my hiddes irl talents ;) *omg secret secret XD*, and Guinness Book + those records would just be a means to that end. Had to be something black on white too, something that proves how much effort I've put in and am able to do. I did say something in my previous post that would explain why this question about burning down my life doesn't really apply to me. I said I'm aiming for the world, not just runescape. While also doing things on Rs fast, it means that I will be done soon aswell - so it's sort of a 'get it over with' kind of thing too. And while I have the possibility now, why waste the chance, you know? Basically I've got much more plans after 'nolife Runescape'. And the funny thing is, I've been working on preparing for this aswell - all while playing this game.

 

For example, I've figured out a way to make good irl money awhile ago and it can be combined with Rs perfectly, if you're not one of those skillers that does 2+ skills at the same time, like fletching while thieving or something. I'm 18 now, and if I would keep up this way of making money I'd be a millionaire around age 23. But that's not what I really want to do, it's there as a nice backup though - should my hidden irl talent(s) not have the desired succes. Also note that I've indeed got a health condition that has plunged me into this current life basically. It got so bad that regular school days we're no longer an option and I had to think of something else that would still ensure me of a succesful future. Ironically it involved playing Rs so long a day, haha! Yeah, safe to say that I'm creative when it comes to solving obstacles XD

 

About that condition though - it involves allergies for one *another spoilerrr :P*, meaning that while I'm doing this, I'm perfectly fine. It becomes a problem, however, if I have to do something physically intense, or when I go outside for long periods of time. Quite an unlucky story behind this, which I'm also saving for the thread I guess. But let's just say that the things I've tried against it have failed, and that I've had to wait for certain treatments that could only be executed at age 18+ (requirement) which I now am but haven't started yet, obviously :P. But yep these options are much more like the stuff that I need, so I'm very confident that I'm able to get cured (rather soon aswell, starting it up after a few more nolife rs goals). So hopefully, this won't be a problem. But it's still uncertain if everything will work out, so yeah that's a tough one.

 

Anyway, I do actually wonder about how other 'top skillers' think about that question of yours, Silvertaler. I am infact very much aware of what a waste it would be to just play the game for so long a day if rs fame is all you're going to get with it and not achieve anything else. For example, I know that atleast part of the motivation behind SUOMI's all 200m's goal is because he loves the game and enjoys playing it. Maybe he does it for different reasons aswell, but I can only speak for myself really so you'd have to ask these people individually. But personally no, I don't see this as a waste at all. I'm still on my way to what I want to achieve in life - perhaps even more now since I have a few crazy digital achievements under my belt which I would've been unable to get if I would still be in school, PLUS I'm having fun too! Now if you ask me, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal :D - it's just hard to comprehend with for most people. And I can't blame them for thinking that way either - I think about it the same way concerning those other 'top skillers'. For example, I know that Zarfot plays about 10 hours a day and has stated that hours like 16h a day would be too much for him. Well, hopefully he's achieving things irl aswell when he's not on rs. Gertjaars is a good example too. I think his playing time averaged 10h a day aswell. Who knows what he's been upto when he wasn't playing Rs? And look at him now, he has quit Rs (temporarely or perm, not sure) and is probably off doing the things that he had planned for his future.

 

You see, sometimes there's just more to a story than the eye can tell. And for that reason I feel that people shouldn't be so judgmental about this kind of stuff. We're all just doing what we feel is good for ourselves to do. There's lots of limitations to consider aswell, and if ya ask me we're all just trying to make the best out of life. This is why I really dislike shallow, mindless people who just say 'haha you sad noob, get a life' to just name an example lol. The funny part is that the people who make those comments play this game aswell, while the only kind of person who would have the slightest of rights to say this are those folks who hang out on the street with 'friends' all day, pulling pranks and whatnot, or people like Lindsay Lohan (lol, extreme example) who spent their life in the 'going out' style most of the time. So not only are the people who make those 'get a life' comments and think about it that way shallow, they're wannabees aswell. And no, I do not respect that. And having a life, what does that mean to some people, really? If you're gonna be judgmental, look at Lindsay. Recently sent off to prison. Addicted. Leading an imbalanced life. And oh, I'm sure she had lots of boyfriends too. Woohoo, what a great life she has? So yeah, think about that really.

 

Well, I guess the above paragraph kind of answers how I feel about other players/people, Jsboutin2. But to make it short and sweet for ya: I treat and respect people the way they treat and respect me. Like, if someone who doesn't know me randomly goes off flaming me for having the stats that I have, I'm not gonna be answering that with 'Good day chap, how's life treatin ya then?' if you know what I mean, lol. And as for the whole Rs fame and stuff, I don't really care about that either. We all have our goals, our ambitions, and the way I see it some of us just have more in mind for this game than most (just sticking to Rs as an example). Naturally, they should get more credit/praise for that, but yeah that's where the difference stops pretty much. With some people, that goes to their heads and they become arrogant and selective. I'm sure you're able to name some examples about that yourself haha! But I'm happy to say that luckily I'm not like that at all. And you're welcome :P

 

@Squisher, you are obviously a person who is interested in the Rs efficiency and all that it has to offer. While funnily enough I don't really care about that, I am forced to check out some stuff though, of course :). Uhh well first of all, I do not have a handicap concerning slayer. I've worked it out with my playtimes and all 200m's would take me less than 3 years. But unfortunately, I don't see the point in that at all. While I want to get as many exp records possible, I also want to do things my way and enjoy what I am doing. Slayer is simply not one of those things. I don't like to 'be lived by others', telling me what to do and such. That goes for the slayer master aswell, if you know what I'm saying ;). However, as stated before, I do not get bored of anything so I'd be able to get it still - IF there would be a point to it, and there isn't, for me atleast. I only got all 200m's in melee now because I wanted to be perm top page for all of them, and was forced to camp abby demons, because some skills require alot of money - which is tough to come up with if you don't merch or anything and had to come from wayyyy behind + start from scratch, no favours at all (unlike most of the 'top skillers'...). BUT, imo it was worth it + it's not the end of the world, really. If I had any kind of interest in slaying, I'd get about 1m exp a day in it (making full use of Jagex's new updates that have made the game easier yet again -sigh-), not even counting combat exp. + I'd rake in effigies for even more exp a day aswell. Combine this, and it's actually faster than alot of skills! But that's not the point.

 

The point is that I follow my own goals, and slayer simply isn't a part of them. While I'm sure that Zarfot could put up a good challenge because of all of these updates that favour him (honestly, sometimes I think there's a J-Mod leaking all the upcoming updates to him lol), I don't think you realize that I play almost double the amount of hours a day. While he's obviously much more efficient, I can still get considerably more exp a day. And while he might have slayer and all left, I have skills left such as herb construct prayer and crafting that he has maxed out already. And correct me if I'm wrong, that's more than 700m exp aswell. So imo it's gonna come down to the remaining skills like fishing, rc and stuff. And even if he's able to equal my exp by that time, it's hello 10h efficient ZMI or barb fishing vs 19h of less efficient barb fishing and ZMI (about 4/5th of max possible) a day. Well, you do the math who's going to win that ;). For Zarfot to win, he'd need to be x10 more luckier than he already is with updates and such (like you pretty much stated), or my irl career will launch before this time, which will mean that I'll instantly stop with playing so long a day - at which point yeah, I'm probably going back to cw and play the game the way that it's meant for in the end (to have fun!). Oh yes, and those reasons you named are indeed amongst the stuff that is meant by lucky and unlucky haha XD

 

 

Whew! Now just to answer a few more shorter stuffs before I'm off to plunder properly XD.

 

 

@Bazza: Thanks! Though I don't follow much other threads on Tipit, I'll check it out if I ever find the time :)

 

@Impressionist: Haha I guess so, though it was mainly about finding the time to actually post lol :P

 

@Danq: Better believe it! Stop acting so suspicious oi oi XD, surely you remember the way I am atleast a little bit? :unsure:

 

@Techni: Have to agree so far :P

 

@Langer: Thanks! You too, and keep up the good work with them weekly thread updates :P

 

@Jsboutin2: Alright lol. While not merching, it's not as easy to obtain money while remaining fair in doing so. Magic was the first big step towards 200m summon, and so it had to be done. Finally got enough money for it, camping abby demons day in day out, plowing away. Then ON THE DAY I WENT TO BUY THE RUNES FOR IT, bang! Jagex releases the update for shops no longer having an unlimited supply. So not only did I get delayed cuz merchers were hogging up the runes right away, I had to pay tons more than expected aswell. To make it worse, Jagex also randomly released a quest somehwere during this time, Blood Runs Deep. Why the heck would ya let players WALK through the rock lobs area, a populated place, that would obviously mess up all of the respawns AND making them follow and hit the player, meaning the mager would be unable to get them until the very end where they would get atked by tons of daggs etc? I had to deal with this for atleast 2 weeks which was annoying as hell.

 

And if ya think it couldn't get any worse, they also released the bloody SoL on the day I got 200m magic. Oh, AND they failed to allow deaths/bloods to have a possible double craft option when the first rc update about that got released, which would've potentially kept their prices at bay, making it somewhat cheaper again for me. But no, of course they had to create that update after I was done with magic aswell. And that's only the magic skill I'm talking about now. Hence me being pretty disgusted with updates. Imo, the hardest working players should get the biggest rewards, not be beaten down the hardest.

 

 

Well I guess that last one was pretty long still, but whatever :P. Anyways, that's about it! Please carry on the discussion and feel free to discuss the things I've said too. Guess it's time for me to start that thieving record now, probably won't check out the thread much in the meanwhile but yeah, see how it goes. Thanks for reading, again! Haha XD

Nope, I don't judge people on first sight and that's why I ask questions instead of immediately calling people no-lifers. I'm still surprised that you didn't just assume I was insinuating you were a no-lifer and flamed me, it's hard to get these kinds of discussions right, so thanks for taking the time to share your point of view on it. If what you say is true, it really surprises me how you can work on your life while playing 18 hours a day - I assume you may be planning to do some job related to computer science and learn languages such as C++ on your computer while you do easy skills such as Cooking or Fishing? It seems to me as the only thing that could work out well, but then again my knowledge on that matter isn't wide enough.

 

You seem to dedicate yourself to Runescape on a purpose of surpassing yourself, somehow, to test your capabilities as you say. But what are you learning from hardcore skilling, exactly? Becoming more patient, more endured with monotonous tasks? I don't quite see which of your capabilities you're putting to test, to my eyes all it takes is a lot of time in your hands and some coffee to stay wake up.

[Drumgun]

Interesting to get some backstory on what we've been discussing for quite a few pages.

 

Do you intend to chin to 200m range? I've noticed you seem to be range slaying a tiny bit (or possibly just slaying period). Front page on all combat skills would be cool, there's a large margin for prayer, but much less for range.

 

Ah well, I'm afraid that I'm gonna have to keep range the way it is since I'll be using it to make money with haha. I was slaying only because I was hunting for clues, lol XD. Figured camping for em and losing time doing the clues would be too slow, so some slayer exp made up for that. Still no 3rd age though *mumbles* :)

 

@Water, np, and thanks for the kind words btw. P.S. I also like your avatar, har har! ^_^

 

@Silver, Hehe np! Never had coffee, and only used a few energy drinks during longer playing times (156h week for summoning). Tea is where it's at mate! XD

 

And I don't really have the answer to that, but if I am able to turn such effort and determination on something else then that would only be positive imo :P.But yeah, I suppose the end result would be to become even better at grinding. I do always strive to be the best at the things I specialize in, so I guess that has something to do with it aswell. Lastly, I'm also an entertainer; it does me good to see others enjoy the effort that I put in. Rs is only the start though, but it would be great if my irl talent indeed hits the chart aswell, and then I can say 'Oh yeah, I also got this in my earlier days...'. No one would expect that, which is why that would be awesome ^^.

[Viv]

Wow you guys wrote alot after that huh! Well, now that I've had my good night's rest, I guess I can answer some questions etc before starting thieving properly :P

 

Okay well, maybe I'm the wrong person to ask some of these things to, because my way of handling stuff and thinking about things is kinda, uhm, unique? I'll just start with the heavy question as an example. I guess when playing time a day is concerned that this only applies to me and to SUOMI in some way aswell. I play that much a day because I achieve things fast if I do so, and it's a good test to see how far my capabilities can reach. Anyway, I'm planning something huge for my future involving my hiddes irl talents ;) *omg secret secret XD*, and Guinness Book + those records would just be a means to that end. Had to be something black on white too, something that proves how much effort I've put in and am able to do. I did say something in my previous post that would explain why this question about burning down my life doesn't really apply to me. I said I'm aiming for the world, not just runescape. While also doing things on Rs fast, it means that I will be done soon aswell - so it's sort of a 'get it over with' kind of thing too. And while I have the possibility now, why waste the chance, you know? Basically I've got much more plans after 'nolife Runescape'. And the funny thing is, I've been working on preparing for this aswell - all while playing this game.

 

For example, I've figured out a way to make good irl money awhile ago and it can be combined with Rs perfectly, if you're not one of those skillers that does 2+ skills at the same time, like fletching while thieving or something. I'm 18 now, and if I would keep up this way of making money I'd be a millionaire around age 23. But that's not what I really want to do, it's there as a nice backup though - should my hidden irl talent(s) not have the desired succes. Also note that I've indeed got a health condition that has plunged me into this current life basically. It got so bad that regular school days we're no longer an option and I had to think of something else that would still ensure me of a succesful future. Ironically it involved playing Rs so long a day, haha! Yeah, safe to say that I'm creative when it comes to solving obstacles XD

 

About that condition though - it involves allergies for one *another spoilerrr :P*, meaning that while I'm doing this, I'm perfectly fine. It becomes a problem, however, if I have to do something physically intense, or when I go outside for long periods of time. Quite an unlucky story behind this, which I'm also saving for the thread I guess. But let's just say that the things I've tried against it have failed, and that I've had to wait for certain treatments that could only be executed at age 18+ (requirement) which I now am but haven't started yet, obviously :P. But yep these options are much more like the stuff that I need, so I'm very confident that I'm able to get cured (rather soon aswell, starting it up after a few more nolife rs goals). So hopefully, this won't be a problem. But it's still uncertain if everything will work out, so yeah that's a tough one.

 

Anyway, I do actually wonder about how other 'top skillers' think about that question of yours, Silvertaler. I am infact very much aware of what a waste it would be to just play the game for so long a day if rs fame is all you're going to get with it and not achieve anything else. For example, I know that atleast part of the motivation behind SUOMI's all 200m's goal is because he loves the game and enjoys playing it. Maybe he does it for different reasons aswell, but I can only speak for myself really so you'd have to ask these people individually. But personally no, I don't see this as a waste at all. I'm still on my way to what I want to achieve in life - perhaps even more now since I have a few crazy digital achievements under my belt which I would've been unable to get if I would still be in school, PLUS I'm having fun too! Now if you ask me, that sounds like a pretty sweet deal :D - it's just hard to comprehend with for most people. And I can't blame them for thinking that way either - I think about it the same way concerning those other 'top skillers'. For example, I know that Zarfot plays about 10 hours a day and has stated that hours like 16h a day would be too much for him. Well, hopefully he's achieving things irl aswell when he's not on rs. Gertjaars is a good example too. I think his playing time averaged 10h a day aswell. Who knows what he's been upto when he wasn't playing Rs? And look at him now, he has quit Rs (temporarely or perm, not sure) and is probably off doing the things that he had planned for his future.

 

You see, sometimes there's just more to a story than the eye can tell. And for that reason I feel that people shouldn't be so judgmental about this kind of stuff. We're all just doing what we feel is good for ourselves to do. There's lots of limitations to consider aswell, and if ya ask me we're all just trying to make the best out of life. This is why I really dislike shallow, mindless people who just say 'haha you sad noob, get a life' to just name an example lol. The funny part is that the people who make those comments play this game aswell, while the only kind of person who would have the slightest of rights to say this are those folks who hang out on the street with 'friends' all day, pulling pranks and whatnot, or people like Lindsay Lohan (lol, extreme example) who spent their life in the 'going out' style most of the time. So not only are the people who make those 'get a life' comments and think about it that way shallow, they're wannabees aswell. And no, I do not respect that. And having a life, what does that mean to some people, really? If you're gonna be judgmental, look at Lindsay. Recently sent off to prison. Addicted. Leading an imbalanced life. And oh, I'm sure she had lots of boyfriends too. Woohoo, what a great life she has? So yeah, think about that really.

 

Well, I guess the above paragraph kind of answers how I feel about other players/people, Jsboutin2. But to make it short and sweet for ya: I treat and respect people the way they treat and respect me. Like, if someone who doesn't know me randomly goes off flaming me for having the stats that I have, I'm not gonna be answering that with 'Good day chap, how's life treatin ya then?' if you know what I mean, lol. And as for the whole Rs fame and stuff, I don't really care about that either. We all have our goals, our ambitions, and the way I see it some of us just have more in mind for this game than most (just sticking to Rs as an example). Naturally, they should get more credit/praise for that, but yeah that's where the difference stops pretty much. With some people, that goes to their heads and they become arrogant and selective. I'm sure you're able to name some examples about that yourself haha! But I'm happy to say that luckily I'm not like that at all. And you're welcome :P

 

@Squisher, you are obviously a person who is interested in the Rs efficiency and all that it has to offer. While funnily enough I don't really care about that, I am forced to check out some stuff though, of course :). Uhh well first of all, I do not have a handicap concerning slayer. I've worked it out with my playtimes and all 200m's would take me less than 3 years. But unfortunately, I don't see the point in that at all. While I want to get as many exp records possible, I also want to do things my way and enjoy what I am doing. Slayer is simply not one of those things. I don't like to 'be lived by others', telling me what to do and such. That goes for the slayer master aswell, if you know what I'm saying ;). However, as stated before, I do not get bored of anything so I'd be able to get it still - IF there would be a point to it, and there isn't, for me atleast. I only got all 200m's in melee now because I wanted to be perm top page for all of them, and was forced to camp abby demons, because some skills require alot of money - which is tough to come up with if you don't merch or anything and had to come from wayyyy behind + start from scratch, no favours at all (unlike most of the 'top skillers'...). BUT, imo it was worth it + it's not the end of the world, really. If I had any kind of interest in slaying, I'd get about 1m exp a day in it (making full use of Jagex's new updates that have made the game easier yet again -sigh-), not even counting combat exp. + I'd rake in effigies for even more exp a day aswell. Combine this, and it's actually faster than alot of skills! But that's not the point.

 

The point is that I follow my own goals, and slayer simply isn't a part of them. While I'm sure that Zarfot could put up a good challenge because of all of these updates that favour him (honestly, sometimes I think there's a J-Mod leaking all the upcoming updates to him lol), I don't think you realize that I play almost double the amount of hours a day. While he's obviously much more efficient, I can still get considerably more exp a day. And while he might have slayer and all left, I have skills left such as herb construct prayer and crafting that he has maxed out already. And correct me if I'm wrong, that's more than 700m exp aswell. So imo it's gonna come down to the remaining skills like fishing, rc and stuff. And even if he's able to equal my exp by that time, it's hello 10h efficient ZMI or barb fishing vs 19h of less efficient barb fishing and ZMI (about 4/5th of max possible) a day. Well, you do the math who's going to win that ;). For Zarfot to win, he'd need to be x10 more luckier than he already is with updates and such (like you pretty much stated), or my irl career will launch before this time, which will mean that I'll instantly stop with playing so long a day - at which point yeah, I'm probably going back to cw and play the game the way that it's meant for in the end (to have fun!). Oh yes, and those reasons you named are indeed amongst the stuff that is meant by lucky and unlucky haha XD

 

 

Whew! Now just to answer a few more shorter stuffs before I'm off to plunder properly XD.

 

 

@Bazza: Thanks! Though I don't follow much other threads on Tipit, I'll check it out if I ever find the time :)

 

@Impressionist: Haha I guess so, though it was mainly about finding the time to actually post lol :P

 

@Danq: Better believe it! Stop acting so suspicious oi oi XD, surely you remember the way I am atleast a little bit? :unsure:

 

@Techni: Have to agree so far :P

 

@Langer: Thanks! You too, and keep up the good work with them weekly thread updates :P

 

@Jsboutin2: Alright lol. While not merching, it's not as easy to obtain money while remaining fair in doing so. Magic was the first big step towards 200m summon, and so it had to be done. Finally got enough money for it, camping abby demons day in day out, plowing away. Then ON THE DAY I WENT TO BUY THE RUNES FOR IT, bang! Jagex releases the update for shops no longer having an unlimited supply. So not only did I get delayed cuz merchers were hogging up the runes right away, I had to pay tons more than expected aswell. To make it worse, Jagex also randomly released a quest somehwere during this time, Blood Runs Deep. Why the heck would ya let players WALK through the rock lobs area, a populated place, that would obviously mess up all of the respawns AND making them follow and hit the player, meaning the mager would be unable to get them until the very end where they would get atked by tons of daggs etc? I had to deal with this for atleast 2 weeks which was annoying as hell.

 

And if ya think it couldn't get any worse, they also released the bloody SoL on the day I got 200m magic. Oh, AND they failed to allow deaths/bloods to have a possible double craft option when the first rc update about that got released, which would've potentially kept their prices at bay, making it somewhat cheaper again for me. But no, of course they had to create that update after I was done with magic aswell. And that's only the magic skill I'm talking about now. Hence me being pretty disgusted with updates. Imo, the hardest working players should get the biggest rewards, not be beaten down the hardest.

 

 

Well I guess that last one was pretty long still, but whatever :P. Anyways, that's about it! Please carry on the discussion and feel free to discuss the things I've said too. Guess it's time for me to start that thieving record now, probably won't check out the thread much in the meanwhile but yeah, see how it goes. Thanks for reading, again! Haha XD

Nope, I don't judge people on first sight and that's why I ask questions instead of immediately calling people no-lifers. I'm still surprised that you didn't just assume I was insinuating you were a no-lifer and flamed me, it's hard to get these kinds of discussions right, so thanks for taking the time to share your point of view on it. If what you say is true, it really surprises me how you can work on your life while playing 18 hours a day - I assume you may be planning to do some job related to computer science and learn languages such as C++ on your computer while you do easy skills such as Cooking or Fishing? It seems to me as the only thing that could work out well, but then again my knowledge on that matter isn't wide enough.

 

You seem to dedicate yourself to Runescape on a purpose of surpassing yourself, somehow, to test your capabilities as you say. But what are you learning from hardcore skilling, exactly? Becoming more patient, more endured with monotonous tasks? I don't quite see which of your capabilities you're putting to test, to my eyes all it takes is a lot of time in your hands and some coffee to stay wake up.

not quitting an impossible goal !

[Water]

@Water, np, and thanks for the kind words btw. P.S. I also like your avatar, har har! ^_^

Lmao <3: cookiezz <3:

[Sir_Kurity]

I think players like zarfot because he makes lots of informative videos/guides.

 

I actually like the efficiency.

 

Its always appealed to me getting the most XP/Money in the least time/effort.

[Viv]

I think players like zarfot because he makes lots of informative videos/guides.

 

I actually like the efficiency.

 

Its always appealed to me getting the most XP/Money in the least time/effort.

yeh some kid maxed at 155 days for 2376 :o

[Sir_Kurity]

Well as i see it, the race to 200m in all skills (to be honest, this is a bit ridiculous, but i'll roll with it anyway), shouldnt just be about who can play the most, but who can play the most efficiently.

 

Maybe thats just me, but i would respect a player like zarfot over most over 2bill+ EXP people because of efficiency, even if he eventually did fall behind, that being said i respect most of them anyway, so meh :thumbsup:

[Water]

Well as i see it, the race to 200m in all skills (to be honest, this is a bit ridiculous, but i'll roll with it anyway), shouldnt just be about who can play the most, but who can play the most efficiently.

 

 

Compare that with soccer (or many irl things), it's the result that counts sometimes, not how you achieve it.

[Sir_Kurity]

Oh yea.

 

But if someone grinds his fingers to the bone for 2000 dollars, as opposed to someone who sits back and say, watches his stocks rise for the same 2000 dollars (or a bit less), i know who i would rather be.

[Water]

Oh yea.

 

But if someone grinds his fingers to the bone for 2000 dollars, as opposed to someone who sits back and say, watches his stocks rise for the same 2000 dollars (or a bit less), i know who i would rather be.

 

 

That's life. ;)

 

 

(which doesn't mean I fully agree with that btw)

[Drumgun]

Oh yea.

 

But if someone grinds his fingers to the bone for 2000 dollars, as opposed to someone who sits back and say, watches his stocks rise for the same 2000 dollars (or a bit less), i know who i would rather be.

 

Not everyone is lucky enough to have the oppurtunity to do that, which is why it's more impressive if someone reaches the same result while having worked much harder for it - with limited resources. Sense of accomplishment, my friend. :)

[Sir_Kurity]

with limited resources.

 

Sense of accomplishment, my friend. :)

 

Oh yea i fully agree with the sense of accomplishment, different people get it from different things. I myself get more of a sense of accomplishment from making 500k in one night than if would if i cut down yews for 2 hours or so. :thumbup: - but thats cause im a lazy bastard -

 

Not everyone is lucky enough to have the oppurtunity to do that

 

If your referring to zarfot, he mentioned in his merching guide that he has never merchanted rares, and has only flipped. To be perfectly honest, that opportunity has always been there since the GE.

 

Though if you have qualms with merchanting or flipping in general (Profiting off others, feels like cheating sort of thing), thats a whole other issue altogethor.

[Drumgun]

with limited resources.

 

Sense of accomplishment, my friend. :)

 

Oh yea i fully agree with the sense of accomplishment, different people get it from different things. I myself get more of a sense of accomplishment from making 500k in one night than if would if i cut down yews for 2 hours or so. :thumbup:

 

Not everyone is lucky enough to have the oppurtunity to do that

 

If your referring to zarfot, he mentioned in his merching guide that he has never merchanted rares, and has only flipped. To be perfectly honest, that opportunity has always been there since the GE.

 

Making a video about training craft by d stones and letting people know how superawesome it is while having a bunch of cut d stones in your bank aka getting 200m craft fast and with profit isn't called flipping, good sir. Neither is getting 200m prayer while the bones were around 1.5k ea, to just name a few things.