= New Chaotic Items =

[Logdotzip]

Well, whichever of the two stab weapons ends up being better (rapier or longsword), I suddenly see the idea of soloing corp becoming a bit more popular. Which will drive up the street price of the divine shield. Then again, if the shields are anywhere near powerful enough, that might hold the price of the divine in check somewhat, though I doubt that they are. I'm kind of interested to know what this is going to do to the economy. Maybe I'll check the other thread about that.

 

Corp is weak to stab with a spear

 

Corp is weak to stab with everything else, but damage is halved

[meb]

Well, whichever of the two stab weapons ends up being better (rapier or longsword), I suddenly see the idea of soloing corp becoming a bit more popular. Which will drive up the street price of the divine shield. Then again, if the shields are anywhere near powerful enough, that might hold the price of the divine in check somewhat, though I doubt that they are. I'm kind of interested to know what this is going to do to the economy. Maybe I'll check the other thread about that.

 

Corp is weak to stab with a spear

 

Corp is weak to stab with everything else, but damage is halved

Whos [wagon] did you pull that out from?

[Guthorm]

Well, whichever of the two stab weapons ends up being better (rapier or longsword), I suddenly see the idea of soloing corp becoming a bit more popular. Which will drive up the street price of the divine shield. Then again, if the shields are anywhere near powerful enough, that might hold the price of the divine in check somewhat, though I doubt that they are. I'm kind of interested to know what this is going to do to the economy. Maybe I'll check the other thread about that.

 

Corp is weak to stab with a spear

 

Corp is weak to stab with everything else, but damage is halved

 

What? Where did you get that from? Granted I have never farmed corp that much but I imagine some people will tell me after all this time.

[Assume Nothing]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

 

The irony of this post is amusing. Something that hits high randomly is always better than a weapon with no k0 ability but high dps. And outeating 5 40's in a row? What's the chances of even hitting 5 40's in a row, and what's so hard about combo fooding with summer pies?

 

I'd say most of these weapons will have special attacks. How good they will be, will depend on what it is. For now, I'd wait for the 'pro' dungeoneerer's (weird word >_>) to get one of these weapons and post the special on youtube.

[Assume Nothing]

Well, whichever of the two stab weapons ends up being better (rapier or longsword), I suddenly see the idea of soloing corp becoming a bit more popular. Which will drive up the street price of the divine shield. Then again, if the shields are anywhere near powerful enough, that might hold the price of the divine in check somewhat, though I doubt that they are. I'm kind of interested to know what this is going to do to the economy. Maybe I'll check the other thread about that.

 

Corp is weak to stab with a spear

 

Corp is weak to stab with everything else, but damage is halved

Whos [wagon] did you pull that out from?

 

I dunno... people who corp a damn lot?

[xSxqPowerx]

Damage is definitely halved on non spears. I tried soloing with a corrupt vesta long and never hit over low 20's. Went back with zamorakian spear and was able to hit high 30's (difference in strength bonus). Too bad, cause I was able to red-bar corp with vesta long soloing. Probably could kill like twice per trip solo if it did full damage.

[Wkw]

If there are indeed new rewards and a reward rebalance, then this may not be so bad. I've tried the skilligame, and it is pretty fun, but slow. I think I could manage grinding it up 85-90 to get the weapons, shields, and then the misc items with a friend.

Hell, I got 300 rank on MA while I watched futurama :P

[Slayer_Jesse]

personally, i intend to get the longsword. the huge difference in accuracy and str bonus more than makes up any loss of speed. Plus, I always liked longswords over scims. also, its near godsword stats and one handed! add in rune def and its the godsword, but faster! and as far as y noone is talking about staff/crossbow, the staff is outdone by SOL, and the cross just isnt worth giving up a melee wep. and as far as accuracy goes, sighted magic longbow outdoes it by miles, for much cheaper.

[Guthorm]

I am getting the longsword simply because I think fighting with a rapier is wierd as hell. I tried fencing before and it feels wierd to jab with the foil, is like "I AM GONNA OWN YOU BY [puncture]ING YOUR SKIN WITH MAH TINY SWORD." Need more manliness.

[Assume Nothing]

I am getting the longsword simply because I think fighting with a rapier is wierd as hell. I tried fencing before and it feels wierd to jab with the foil, is like "I AM GONNA OWN YOU BY [puncture]ING YOUR SKIN WITH MAH TINY SWORD." Need more manliness.

 

How does that prevent it from being the great weapon that it is? It's like saying "I prefer bronze over bandos cause it looks moar kewl"

 

I'd get the rapier, and maul. Dps = Everything. Unless in pvp.

 

Don't forget; Size doesn't matter.

 

[Guthorm]

I am getting the longsword simply because I think fighting with a rapier is wierd as hell. I tried fencing before and it feels wierd to jab with the foil, is like "I AM GONNA OWN YOU BY [puncture]ING YOUR SKIN WITH MAH TINY SWORD." Need more manliness.

 

How does that prevent it from being the great weapon that it is? It's like saying "I prefer bronze over bandos cause it looks moar kewl"

 

I'd get the rapier, and maul. Dps = Everything. Unless in pvp.

 

Don't forget; Size doesn't matter.

 

 

I know, except the difference is not big enough for me to reconsider(your comparision is a tad too extreme..just a tad). I am not the most efficient player, I do things in which I consider more fun, and I like the longsword better than a rapier because it looks better. Obviously if I am so handicapped I am going to change, but since this is not the case, I am getting the longsword.

[TheAncient]

I'm getting Longsword and Eagle-eye shield.

 

Mage defense is most important aspect of a shield. There are very few cases (other than pvp) when you need melee protection, and there are very few cases where you need mage attack boost (other than pvp). And in pvp you're not going to be using these expensive (in terms of time) shields.

 

Longsword is going to be more useful than rapier. Rapier is for DPS against low-defense monsters... which is only useful for training and slayer. But the benefit won't be worth 200k/hr (which is actually a very significant cost).

[Solartide]

I am getting the longsword simply because I think fighting with a rapier is wierd as hell. I tried fencing before and it feels wierd to jab with the foil, is like "I AM GONNA OWN YOU BY [puncture]ING YOUR SKIN WITH MAH TINY SWORD." Need more manliness.

 

 

Tch, you picked the wrong brand of fencing. Should come Sabre fencing with me- Then you'll feel like a man, as I bring down my blade on your head.

[Kalafai]

I am getting the longsword simply because I think fighting with a rapier is wierd as hell. I tried fencing before and it feels wierd to jab with the foil, is like "I AM GONNA OWN YOU BY [puncture]ING YOUR SKIN WITH MAH TINY SWORD." Need more manliness.

A foil is a toothpick, only slightly good for sliding under armour plates... and breaking on your quilted fencing gear. I'd not touch it.

 

Epee at least acts like a weapon, specifically not bladed so it wont catch in chainmail.

 

And the rapier is an actual sword, for general use hurting people, that's just a couple inches wide, and reletively light.

[killmenub]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

 

 

You've obviously never pked considering you thinking about a standard one weapon fight. Did you ever think about rushing with this mual? Or even using it as a secondary weapon like the people in free to play worked out with the range/2h combo. Lmao.

[Mazhar]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

regular pking != friendly dms where people dont run when they run out of food

 

and for those who bashed the guy saying corp halves non spears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcoi9wiSRc

I don't think the max you can hit is 22 if there is no reduction, when you can punch 30s in that gear

[killmenub]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

regular pking != friendly dms where people dont run when they run out of food

 

and for those who bashed the guy saying corp halves non spears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcoi9wiSRc

I don't think the max you can hit is 22 if there is no reduction, when you can punch 30s in that gear

 

 

Lol what runescape are you playing? Regular pking = people willing to do anything for a kill, and anything to save themselves losing an items.

 

This isn't runescape classic anymore bro where people would stay till death the majority of the time. If friendly dm's is your idea of regular pking, that isn't even really pking.

[Soma2035]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

regular pking != friendly dms where people dont run when they run out of food

 

and for those who bashed the guy saying corp halves non spears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcoi9wiSRc

I don't think the max you can hit is 22 if there is no reduction, when you can punch 30s in that gear

 

1:17, one of them hits a 29. They even mention it in chat.

 

If it truly halves damage, that means you hit 58s with Leaf-bladed sword... I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think I've hit a 58 on Corp even with a Zamorakian Spear.

 

EDIT: Going through the video again, his gear seems as follows:

 

Helm of Neitiznot (+3) Dragon Boots (+4) Berserker Ring (+4 or +8) Amulet of Fury (+8) Fire Cape (+4) Gloves (+12) Dragonfire Shield (+7) Leaf-Bladed Sword (+50)

 

This yields either +96 or +92 strength bonus. Aggressive, Extreme Strength, and Piety yields a max hit of 419 / 408, which would be a 41 or 40. Factoring in Turmoil, the real max hit is probably 42 to 45. Obviously, it wasn't halved, because this is nowhere close to 58.

[Mazhar]

I can't monitor the whole thread, but in terms of what weapon to buy first I think you need to look at it this way.

 

 

What will you use it mostly for?

 

Maul for high hits = PVP

Rapier for fastest dps = trainning

Longsword fast dps and very good base stats = mix of pvp and trainning imo.

 

 

I'll no doubt be buying the longsword first. Then a sheild after.

 

Rofl, have you ever pked my friend? Maul with no special will be crap. Fast medium hits that outhit your opponents food > High slow hits that your enemy can eat away from. Ever seen a whip where it combo's 5 40+ hits in a row? gl eating that out.

regular pking != friendly dms where people dont run when they run out of food

 

and for those who bashed the guy saying corp halves non spears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcoi9wiSRc

I don't think the max you can hit is 22 if there is no reduction, when you can punch 30s in that gear

 

1:17, one of them hits a 29. They even mention it in chat.

 

If it truly halves damage, that means you hit 58s with Leaf-bladed sword... I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think I've hit a 58 on Corp even with a Zamorakian Spear.

 

EDIT: Going through the video again, his gear seems as follows:

 

Helm of Neitiznot (+3) Dragon Boots (+4) Berserker Ring (+4 or +8) Amulet of Fury (+8) Fire Cape (+4) Gloves (+12) Dragonfire Shield (+7) Leaf-Bladed Sword (+50)

 

This yields either +96 or +92 strength bonus. Aggressive, Extreme Strength, and Piety yields a max hit of 419 / 408, which would be a 41 or 40. Factoring in Turmoil, the real max hit is probably 42 to 45. Obviously, it wasn't halved, because this is nowhere close to 58.

EDIT: my bad, it was a swh, same difference, swh can easilly hit 58s

corp halves non spears, end of

[Soma2035]

EDIT: my bad, it was a swh, same difference, swh can easilly hit 58s

corp halves non spears, end of

 

Actually, what you've shown is Corp might halve Leaf-Bladed Swords and Vesta Long Swords. That says absolutely nothing about others.

 

What about the Hasta? I know no one uses it, but it's a one-handed spear. The word Hasta is latin for Spear. What classifies a weapon as a "spear" and what doesn't?

 

I know there's a 50% damage reduction in place, primarily because Dark Bow special attack damage is halved. But we don't know what it effects, and "non-spears" is most certainly wrong. Doesn't poison work to full effect? Poison is not a spear. I also remember using the Dragon Dagger on the Corp a long time ago to decent effect.

 

It could effect Hastas. It might not. It could affect Rapiers. It could not.

 

It could even be a given list of weapons, in which case, Jagex may or may not have added the new Chaotic Weapons to that list. For all you know, the Chaotic Longsword could do double damage to the Corp...

 

I'd also like to point out I've heard a million forms of this. Some people say it halves range damage. Some people say it halves non-spears. Some people say it halves STABBING non-spears. Some people say it halves Swords and Longswords.

[Mazhar]

EDIT: my bad, it was a swh, same difference, swh can easilly hit 58s

corp halves non spears, end of

 

Actually, what you've shown is Corp might halve Leaf-Bladed Swords and Vesta Long Swords. That says absolutely nothing about others.

 

What about the Hasta? I know no one uses it, but it's a one-handed spear. The word Hasta is latin for Spear. What classifies a weapon as a "spear" and what doesn't?

 

I know there's a 50% damage reduction in place, primarily because Dark Bow special attack damage is halved. But we don't know what it effects, and "non-spears" is most certainly wrong. Doesn't poison work to full effect? Poison is not a spear. I also remember using the Dragon Dagger on the Corp a long time ago to decent effect.

 

It could effect Hastas. It might not. It could affect Rapiers. It could not.

 

It could even be a given list of weapons, in which case, Jagex may or may not have added the new Chaotic Weapons to that list. For all you know, the Chaotic Longsword could do double damage to the Corp...

 

I'd also like to point out I've heard a million forms of this. Some people say it halves range damage. Some people say it halves non-spears. Some people say it halves STABBING non-spears. Some people say it halves Swords and Longswords.

Hastas get reduced too, if it literally has the word "spear" in it it doesn't get reduced, or you would be seeing hasta + shield over lbs

Poison is not a weapon

Hastas get reduced, and surely rapiers will too

For all you know Chaotic Longsword may hit 10x higher on all dragons, still doesn't mean its going to happen

[Soma2035]

EDIT: my bad, it was a swh, same difference, swh can easilly hit 58s

corp halves non spears, end of

 

Actually, what you've shown is Corp might halve Leaf-Bladed Swords and Vesta Long Swords. That says absolutely nothing about others.

 

What about the Hasta? I know no one uses it, but it's a one-handed spear. The word Hasta is latin for Spear. What classifies a weapon as a "spear" and what doesn't?

 

I know there's a 50% damage reduction in place, primarily because Dark Bow special attack damage is halved. But we don't know what it effects, and "non-spears" is most certainly wrong. Doesn't poison work to full effect? Poison is not a spear. I also remember using the Dragon Dagger on the Corp a long time ago to decent effect.

 

It could effect Hastas. It might not. It could affect Rapiers. It could not.

 

It could even be a given list of weapons, in which case, Jagex may or may not have added the new Chaotic Weapons to that list. For all you know, the Chaotic Longsword could do double damage to the Corp...

 

I'd also like to point out I've heard a million forms of this. Some people say it halves range damage. Some people say it halves non-spears. Some people say it halves STABBING non-spears. Some people say it halves Swords and Longswords.

Hastas get reduced too, if it literally has the word "spear" in it it doesn't get reduced, or you would be seeing hasta + shield over lbs

Poison is not a weapon

Hastas get reduced, and surely rapiers will too

For all you know Chaotic Longsword may hit 10x higher on all dragons, still doesn't mean its going to happen

 

Do you actually have proof that Hasta's get reduced? I don't see videos of it anywhere.

 

What about rapiers? There already ARE rapiers in this game. Have they actually been tried?

 

And we've only recently gotten a melee weapon that gets a nice damage and attack bonus against Dagannoths - Balmung. It's quite possible, especially as they have no special attack, that the Chaotic Weapons may get a bonus somewhere... why not against the Corporeal Beast?

[Assume Nothing]

EDIT: my bad, it was a swh, same difference, swh can easilly hit 58s

corp halves non spears, end of

 

Actually, what you've shown is Corp might halve Leaf-Bladed Swords and Vesta Long Swords. That says absolutely nothing about others.

 

What about the Hasta? I know no one uses it, but it's a one-handed spear. The word Hasta is latin for Spear. What classifies a weapon as a "spear" and what doesn't?

 

I know there's a 50% damage reduction in place, primarily because Dark Bow special attack damage is halved. But we don't know what it effects, and "non-spears" is most certainly wrong. Doesn't poison work to full effect? Poison is not a spear. I also remember using the Dragon Dagger on the Corp a long time ago to decent effect.

 

It could effect Hastas. It might not. It could affect Rapiers. It could not.

 

It could even be a given list of weapons, in which case, Jagex may or may not have added the new Chaotic Weapons to that list. For all you know, the Chaotic Longsword could do double damage to the Corp...

 

I'd also like to point out I've heard a million forms of this. Some people say it halves range damage. Some people say it halves non-spears. Some people say it halves STABBING non-spears. Some people say it halves Swords and Longswords.

Hastas get reduced too, if it literally has the word "spear" in it it doesn't get reduced, or you would be seeing hasta + shield over lbs

Poison is not a weapon

Hastas get reduced, and surely rapiers will too

For all you know Chaotic Longsword may hit 10x higher on all dragons, still doesn't mean its going to happen

 

Do you actually have proof that Hasta's get reduced? I don't see videos of it anywhere.

 

What about rapiers? There already ARE rapiers in this game. Have they actually been tried?

 

And we've only recently gotten a melee weapon that gets a nice damage and attack bonus against Dagannoths - Balmung. It's quite possible, especially as they have no special attack, that the Chaotic Weapons may get a bonus somewhere... why not against the Corporeal Beast?

 

Why argue against fact? Seriously, if you want proof, solo Corporeal beast yourself and see how well you hit.

[Soma2035]

Why argue against fact? Seriously, if you want proof, solo Corporeal beast yourself and see how well you hit.

 

What "fact"? I've heard many, many different statements of what this damage reduction does. "Spear" isn't clear at all. To my knowledge, there's no reason to believe (or to believe otherwise) that weapons are given specific classifications. So what defines a spear? Is it the word "spear" in the name?

 

Does that mean if tomorrow, a Jagex employee instructed to change "Zamorakian Spear" to "Spear of Zamorak" accidentally types "Spaer of Zamorak", that weapon would now suffer a 50% damage penalty?

 

If it's a type, then what type is a Rapier? Has there been a class for a Rapier ever since the first (and to my knowledge, only, until Dungeoneering) for years? For just this one weapon? Is it a sword? Is it a longsword? What type is a Hasta? What type is a Barrelchest Anchor? What type is the Staff of Light?

 

Like I said, I've heard those who hunt the Corporeal Beast say it's "all non-spear stabbing attacks." I've heard some say "all non-spear attacks." I've also heard "Range, longsword, and swords."

 

All that is "fact" is that the Corporeal Beast applies a 50% damage penalty to the Dark Bow. And that it very likely applies to Leaf-Bladed Sword and Vesta's Longsword, when stabbing. That doesn't explain what exactly is in effect, nor does it say anything as to how it effects the new weapons.

[stonewall337]

Why argue against fact? Seriously, if you want proof, solo Corporeal beast yourself and see how well you hit.

 

What "fact"? I've heard many, many different statements of what this damage reduction does. "Spear" isn't clear at all. To my knowledge, there's no reason to believe (or to believe otherwise) that weapons are given specific classifications. So what defines a spear? Is it the word "spear" in the name?

 

Does that mean if tomorrow, a Jagex employee instructed to change "Zamorakian Spear" to "Spear of Zamorak" accidentally types "Spaer of Zamorak", that weapon would now suffer a 50% damage penalty?

 

If it's a type, then what type is a Rapier? Has there been a class for a Rapier ever since the first (and to my knowledge, only, until Dungeoneering) for years? For just this one weapon? Is it a sword? Is it a longsword? What type is a Hasta? What type is a Barrelchest Anchor? What type is the Staff of Light?

 

Like I said, I've heard those who hunt the Corporeal Beast say it's "all non-spear stabbing attacks." I've heard some say "all non-spear attacks." I've also heard "Range, longsword, and swords."

 

All that is "fact" is that the Corporeal Beast applies a 50% damage penalty to the Dark Bow. And that it very likely applies to Leaf-Bladed Sword and Vesta's Longsword, when stabbing. That doesn't explain what exactly is in effect, nor does it say anything as to how it effects the new weapons.

 

In essence, I believe you are saying generalizations can't be made. Correct?

 

If so, I agree with you. One can THEORIZE, but can't be DOGMATIC about halving all damage, or doing extra damage. We DON'T KNOW yet. Its seems a fair bet that damage is halved, if those vids prove anything, but it really all depends on how Jagex classifies the damage multiplier.