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Another controversial thread.

Here's my stand on the issue:

 

Efficiency is utter BS!

 

"Oh look, I can be efficient in a computer game that most people play for fun, and in return I get to rub it in their faces just because I get more XP per hour than them."

 

Hmmm... Should I be scared that a gang of spreadsheet-wizards are considering themselves to be the elite group of players, just cause they think they know what's "right" and what's not? Let me think...... Nope. I am perfectly fine the way I am. So-called inefficient and using cost-effective, slow ways to train skills rather than blasting through the levels ASAP. It suits my casual playing style. Why should I pay a ridiculously huge premium to reach a certain skill level a few hours/days sooner? I don't want to get there fast, but I want to get there eventually. I don't know every statistical information about the game, how this affects that, and vice versa. Nor do I want to. Knowing too much corrupts. Elitism is exactly like that - corrupt, irresponsible and selfish. There is no right way to train a skill, just as there is no wrong way to do it.

Stop bickering about statistics and go have some fun already! :roll:

1) People don't have to consider themselves elite, rather, they are considered elite by others.

2) Efficiency isn't about what's right or wrong, rather knowing about what's better or best.

3) Not being efficient doesn't automatically mean you are inefficient, just as not being white doesn't mean you are black.

4) If something suits your gameplay or is best for you then i'm sorry, but you are being efficient.

5) Efficiency means saving time, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. Thinking that efficiency means paying a premium clearly shows that you don't understand efficiency.

6) Most people hate grinding and enjoy achieving things faster rather than slower, more than likely resulting in more fun.

7) Efficiency isn't about statistical information, rather about knowledge, ingenuity and teamwork(with other players).

8) Thank god not everyone thinks so, we'd still be hunting deer with spears.

9) Being elite is nothing but being in a top percentile of players, and making such generalizations is downright outrageous. This is just the superficial view of newschool rs players- everyone lower level than you= noob, anyone higher level than you= nolifer.

10) Again, nobody is saying that there is a right way of doing anything, but there is always a better way of doing things. Efficiency is the best way to play runescape, not the right way, not the only way.

11) And yet again the stupidest point people make on every efficiency thread. Efficiency is FUN, and actually, more often than not, playing efficiently is more fun than not doing so.

 

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Uhh alright. <_<

One thing I learned today. That it was a mistake to vent a little in this thread. Obviously it wasn't taken lightly, just like all previous anti-efficiency posts. Freedom of speech, when xpx is present = DENIED.

 

I'm out of here. Good luck to you all. :thumbup:

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Uhh alright. <_<

One thing I learned today. That it was a mistake to vent a little in this thread. Obviously it wasn't taken lightly, just like all previous anti-efficiency posts. Freedom of speech, when xpx is present = DENIED.

 

I'm out of here. Good luck to you all. :thumbup:

wait, you yelled at people and expected them to sit there and take it?

anywhoo it's not like he wasn't stopping you from talking.

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Uhh alright. <_<

One thing I learned today. That it was a mistake to vent a little in this thread. Obviously it wasn't taken lightly, just like all previous anti-efficiency posts. Freedom of speech, when xpx is present = DENIED.

 

I'm out of here. Good luck to you all. :thumbup:

 

Won't miss you :]

 

To contribute to the thread, and echo what logical people with half a brain cell thought; Efficiency -is- fun. Don't act like it is endless calculations of gaining an extra 0.5k xp/h.

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Uhh alright. <_<

One thing I learned today. That it was a mistake to vent a little in this thread. Obviously it wasn't taken lightly, just like all previous anti-efficiency posts. Freedom of speech, when xpx is present = DENIED.

 

I'm out of here. Good luck to you all. :thumbup:

 

Won't miss you :]

 

To contribute to the thread, and echo what logical people with half a brain cell thought; Efficiency -is- fun. Don't act like it is endless calculations of gaining an extra 0.5k xp/h.

Of course it might be fun - just not for everyone. The problem isn't efficiency, it's people using efficiency to call other people noobs and idiots just because they play differently.

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Of course it might be fun - just not for everyone. The problem isn't efficiency, it's people using efficiency to call other people noobs and idiots just because they play differently.

and people who don't use efficiency call us idiots for "not having fun" or "being elitist"

I really don't see the point of what you're arguing.

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Of course it might be fun - just not for everyone. The problem isn't efficiency, it's people using efficiency to call other people noobs and idiots just because they play differently.

and people who don't use efficiency call us idiots for "not having fun" or "being elitist"

I really don't see the point of what you're arguing.

Didn't I just say that it CAN be fun? Don't argue in circles. An idiot is an idiot, no matter if they're anti or pro efficiency. It's not the stance they have, they're just an idiot already.

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I came into this thread earlier, and was against people who promote "efficiency", for the wrong reasons.

 

After watching the bickering back and forth, I think efficiency and inefficiency are still being used in stereotypical views.

 

Every person on on this game, is not efficient nor are they inefficient. Efficiency in a game is simply a view of how personal progress is based on another. Rather than saying someone is efficient, or inefficient, I think a more fair judgment would be to say that everyone here is proficient at completing the goals they set before them.

 

You have to remember that each person's goals are not always other players goals. Some players have goals for themselves, which might be to make sure no time is used without gaining some sort of XP benefit in the long run. Some players have goals to play clan wars as much as possible. Some players have goals to dance with friends around the G.E. as much as possible.

 

It is important never to expect your goals to be the same goals of another individual. You cannot expect someone else to play the same way as you.

 

When I joined this argument, I felt like all "efficient" players were elitist and only cared about the best possible outcome for every single scenario, and had no care about if the slower options from A to Z yielded more enjoyment simply because it was slower. I now see that this was a misleading stereotype, and not all "proficient players with higher set goals" are elitist like this.

 

In fact, It appears that even in some cases the "proficient players with lower goals" can be just as elitist about some situations as the opposite side of the table.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is, don't hold people who expect others to play like them in a category of "efficient or inefficient" but rather simply put them in a entire category of their own of "elitist".

 

That being said, to any people who thing your playing style entitles you to tell other people how to play the game if they don't ask your opinion on a topic, you can just log off for all I care. This song is for you:

 

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Didn't I just say that it CAN be fun? Don't argue in circles. An idiot is an idiot, no matter if they're anti or pro efficiency. It's not the stance they have, they're just an idiot already.

I was making a general statement about anti efficiency.

there's idiots on both sides like I said.

I just don't understand why you're arguing against efficiency if the problem's on both sides.

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You can't really be efficient at MW2, theres no stats to train (or is there, i donno).

 

You could be a n00b tuber.

Yet noob tubing gets kills, and lots of them. If a guys wants alot of kills, noob tubing, to them, is efficient. To others, however, they are a noob, for getting cheap kills. Its like d claw rushing in pvp; Its noobish, but commonly effective, especially for kills.

 

@'efficency'

 

It really is their problem in the end. I could care less if they would rather spend 22 mil on a bcp when they could use a torso, instead of getting up non combat skills that might help them in the future, but hey. Thats their problem.

 

However, I do hate when they try to rube off their efficient religion on everyone else. Killing slayer monsters with anything less than the best results in 'lrn2beefficient' or 'noob gear'. Maybe I like the look of the gear? Maybe im not trying to look like a cookie cutter high level?(bandos, claws, etc.)When people say'lol glory noob, get fury' I laugh. The bonuses...really do nothing. But thats my opinion. (i also dont wanna spend 10+ mil on something when I can not and say I didnt)

 

 

See, if you want to use a glory over fury, go ahead. But when you say that "The bonuses....really do nothing" That isn't an opinion. That can be proven. And its been proven that the bonuses ARE helpful. There is a difference between an OPINION and a FACT. We've had this glory vs fury debate before. You can prove which is better...and by how much...etc.

 

Now, for you, the bonuses may not be enough to balance out the cost. But don't discount fury altogether.

 

Im not totally discounting the fury, hell, I would easily buy it if I wanted to. But the price, to me, is un-desirable. I could either buy the amulet, or get 300k+ xp in a non combat skill of my choice. If I was maxed, with money I could spend like nothing, I would get it, simply to max out my potential.

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You can't really be efficient at MW2, theres no stats to train (or is there, i donno).

 

You could be a n00b tuber.

Yet noob tubing gets kills, and lots of them. If a guys wants alot of kills, noob tubing, to them, is efficient. To others, however, they are a noob, for getting cheap kills. Its like d claw rushing in pvp; Its noobish, but commonly effective, especially for kills.

 

@'efficency'

 

It really is their problem in the end. I could care less if they would rather spend 22 mil on a bcp when they could use a torso, instead of getting up non combat skills that might help them in the future, but hey. Thats their problem.

 

However, I do hate when they try to rube off their efficient religion on everyone else. Killing slayer monsters with anything less than the best results in 'lrn2beefficient' or 'noob gear'. Maybe I like the look of the gear? Maybe im not trying to look like a cookie cutter high level?(bandos, claws, etc.)When people say'lol glory noob, get fury' I laugh. The bonuses...really do nothing. But thats my opinion. (i also dont wanna spend 10+ mil on something when I can not and say I didnt)

 

 

See, if you want to use a glory over fury, go ahead. But when you say that "The bonuses....really do nothing" That isn't an opinion. That can be proven. And its been proven that the bonuses ARE helpful. There is a difference between an OPINION and a FACT. We've had this glory vs fury debate before. You can prove which is better...and by how much...etc.

 

Now, for you, the bonuses may not be enough to balance out the cost. But don't discount fury altogether.

 

Im not totally discounting the fury, hell, I would easily buy it if I wanted to. But the price, to me, is un-desirable. I could either buy the amulet, or get 300k+ xp in a non combat skill of my choice. If I was maxed, with money I could spend like nothing, I would get it, simply to max out my potential.

 

The fact is, every bonus helps, no matter if the cost is big or small. One thing that is often ignored is the simple fact that Bandos can be resold at any moment in time, and if you have the money in your bank, why not.

 

@Racheya, if both sides have the same level of idiots, why specifically elitist idiots that you dislike so much? And you're actually offended by people calling each other noobs... on the Internet?

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For MA rings its easy to make it efficient because in the bigger picture there is also real life and runescape so you just do MA while you got things in rl to do.

 

Exactly the same as skills like fishing and possibly woodcut etc. Its no longer really relevant that your not instead fishing or even afking combat in some way, or even killing frost dragons because it wouldnt be possible.

 

If MA was instead a minigame that involved alot of attention then it would be more problematic. Instead its so ridiculously afkable that its easier than fishing..

+9001. This is where you have to take other things into consideration. I got some reading done, some work done, and played MW2 all whilst getting 300 MA rank.

 

I'm also very interested in what the "efficient" people do in real life: I know at least 3 efficient players who are either engineers, or math majors. (Physics major here)

 

And ring_world, once again you, like others, make a very basic logical fallacy, WE CAN'T DETERMINE "FUN" SCIENTIFICALLY. We can tell you the best way to do things. Stop taking "Fun" into topics like this, as it varies. Being a noob isn't fun for everyone, being maxed isn't fun for everyone, being efficient isn't fun for everyone, etc. You people ARE inefficient if you don't train the best way, but if you enjoy it, go ahead. But, if you are doing things in a way which takes longer then it should, why would you expect no one to ever notice it?

 

Racheya, no offense, but I suggest you take a course in basic logic, and debate. You continue to use illogical arguments. As G_B said, why rage at the "elitists" on the efficient side, when there are (Arguably) far more idiots on the other side, especially based on the number of people who slay with a DFS.

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Uhh alright. <_<

One thing I learned today. That it was a mistake to vent a little in this thread. Obviously it wasn't taken lightly, just like all previous anti-efficiency posts. Freedom of speech, when xpx is present = DENIED.

 

I'm out of here. Good luck to you all. :thumbup:

 

Won't miss you :]

 

To contribute to the thread, and echo what logical people with half a brain cell thought; Efficiency -is- fun. Don't act like it is endless calculations of gaining an extra 0.5k xp/h.

Of course it might be fun - just not for everyone. The problem isn't efficiency, it's people using efficiency to call other people noobs and idiots just because they play differently.

People also use inefficiency to call other people elitists and no lifers just because they play differently. That point is moot. Both sides are equally wrong.

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Didn't I just say that it CAN be fun? Don't argue in circles. An idiot is an idiot, no matter if they're anti or pro efficiency. It's not the stance they have, they're just an idiot already.

I was making a general statement about anti efficiency.

there's idiots on both sides like I said.

I just don't understand why you're arguing against efficiency if the problem's on both sides.

 

I think the point was that everyone does things their own way, which is fine if it's what you like doing. What people don't want is to be told they're noobs/idiots etc because they're not doing things in a way that someone else wants them to do. This illustrates the point perfectly of trying to ram efficiency down peoples throats:

 

If you're not being efficient in your game play, you're doing it wrong.

 

Time is money, and you're essentially wasting your cash if you're just chitchatting in world 1 Lumbridge or something, and not actually training your skills.

 

Efficiency - that's what most of Runescape is all about. Without efficiency, good luck actually doing stuff in game...

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I'm also very interested in what the "efficient" people do in real life: I know at least 3 efficient players who are either engineers, or math majors. (Physics major here)

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For MA rings its easy to make it efficient because in the bigger picture there is also real life and runescape so you just do MA while you got things in rl to do.

 

Yup, this is exactly what I did. Every time I felt like logging off, I'd go to MA and AFK it for a couple hours while I did something else.

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Personally for MA I played some game (Cant recall what) in windowed mode maxed out screen and had runescape on a different monitor. Pretty much no conflict with stuff then and easy to quickly click runescape when needed. I probably also did other stuff aswel.

 

I am currently studying to be a maths teacher btw. =p Eventual special needs for learning difficulties but specialising in maths for normal teaching so its helpful for any job if I needed to. I am myself dyslexic and want to eventually put my self in a profession that would tackle such things or simply teaching in general to help people learn.

 

I consider myself to be efficient because its fun.

 

I tend to be efficient at multitasking so its not always purely 'runescape' efficient though. Im not ganna be cuttings teaks while fletching for example.... Probably more likely to be actually chilling and enjoying the non-clickity gameplay watching a film or reading or whatever lol. Might seem sad that I play two or even three games simultaneously but ultimately I enjoy bulding my runescape char while at the same time playing a new game. I am a gamer afterall.. cant be purely - runescape - runescape - runescape. Lol.. Im a complete nerd I know. :thumbup:

 

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I'm also very interested in what the "efficient" people do in real life: I know at least 3 efficient players who are either engineers, or math majors. (Physics major here)

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Mechanical Engineer here.

And I have a masters degree in chemical engineering.

Sorry to break your clown faced idea of the world.

 

I came into this thread earlier, and was against people who promote "efficiency", for the wrong reasons.

 

After watching the bickering back and forth, I think efficiency and inefficiency are still being used in stereotypical views.

 

Every person on on this game, is not efficient nor are they inefficient. Efficiency in a game is simply a view of how personal progress is based on another. Rather than saying someone is efficient, or inefficient, I think a more fair judgment would be to say that everyone here is proficient at completing the goals they set before them.

 

You have to remember that each person's goals are not always other players goals. Some players have goals for themselves, which might be to make sure no time is used without gaining some sort of XP benefit in the long run. Some players have goals to play clan wars as much as possible. Some players have goals to dance with friends around the G.E. as much as possible.

 

Who really is anti-efficiency?

There is no such side.

However, there are anti-elitists.

I am one.

I label the elitists on this site that troll every thread with their narcisstic dribble and badge of "efficiency" honor, efficiency trolls.

 

To be honest, this thread has been nothing but a hoot and I'm loving it.

I set out the perfect bait to reel the efficiency trolls in, snared them, gave them a taste of their own medicine, and boy they can't take what they dish out.

What a surprise.... :lol:

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Actually, I forgot to post that this was for each side to post. Its just an interesting comparision. Not to mention, the fact that there are 5-6 of us to 1 of you is fairly even odds. I don't see what you are proving.

 

That is like me saying many black people voted for Obama, you say, I am black and I didn't. It doesn't prove anything. I believe more anti efficiency people are people who don't play for goals, or for the long term, then efficiency players. I am efficient, because I enjoy making, and meeting goals.

 

And considering, you have been made a fool of by basic logic more then you've "tricked" anyone, I fail to see humor in your point. Although your brand of thinking is fairly common in the real world.

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I'm also very interested in what the "efficient" people do in real life: I know at least 3 efficient players who are either engineers, or math majors. (Physics major here)

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Mechanical Engineer here.

And I have a masters degree in chemical engineering.

Sorry to break your clown faced idea of the world.

 

I came into this thread earlier, and was against people who promote "efficiency", for the wrong reasons.

 

After watching the bickering back and forth, I think efficiency and inefficiency are still being used in stereotypical views.

 

Every person on on this game, is not efficient nor are they inefficient. Efficiency in a game is simply a view of how personal progress is based on another. Rather than saying someone is efficient, or inefficient, I think a more fair judgment would be to say that everyone here is proficient at completing the goals they set before them.

 

You have to remember that each person's goals are not always other players goals. Some players have goals for themselves, which might be to make sure no time is used without gaining some sort of XP benefit in the long run. Some players have goals to play clan wars as much as possible. Some players have goals to dance with friends around the G.E. as much as possible.

 

Who really is anti-efficiency?

There is no such side.

However, there are anti-elitists.

I am one.

I label the elitists on this site that troll every thread with their narcisstic dribble and badge of "efficiency" honor, efficiency trolls.

 

To be honest, this thread has been nothing but a hoot and I'm loving it.

I set out the perfect bait to reel the efficiency trolls in, snared them, gave them a taste of their own medicine, and boy they can't take what they dish out.

What a surprise.... :lol:

 

Wait - So you brag about how you're such a pro troll, when you proved nothing at all? Nice going

 

Btw - You're not successful

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I'm not anti-efficiency, just (as Golvellius said then) anti-elitist, which tends to come with efficiency (not always).

so you'd say that the average efficiency person is more rude than the average person who doesn't really care?

I don't think it's fair to judge the average efficiency person based on such a standard.

 

On average what kind of person gives back to the RS community? I'd say an efficiency person.

They're generally the people offering their time collecting data, and writing guides.

 

How often have you stopped to say "thank you" to them.

And how often have you stopped to say "stop being elitist" to them.

 

maybe you should stop acting so negative towards our little community.

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