Dungeonsweepers (DGS) - Huge changes; read first post.

[xpx]

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I've been busy all weekend with work, but I have the whole week off (yay...), so I'll be revising both the mission statement and the wingman section sometime this week. PROMISE.

SUPPORT

 

No mocking for not dging, pl0x. Some of us have lives :sad: I bet it will be [cabbage] for you, too, when you come back(as in dg skills degrading).

[Toad]

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I've been busy all weekend with work, but I have the whole week off (yay...), so I'll be revising both the mission statement and the wingman section sometime this week. PROMISE.

 

I look forward to reading it ;) ;) ;) ;) sry something in my eye.

 

no pressure!

[Obtaurian]

Pfsh, I just did a sub-18 necro floor with Pure, Pfoh, Bladekill, and Stan yesterday. I'm not letting myself get rusty. ;)

[Toad]

Good times on necro only count with no hexes ;) but I still didn't get those flowers :(

[Cyndane]

Gratz on the lvl, Eye. Dg more pls. But don't get a hex, cuz we need ur box. kkthxbai

[ghjkl]

-13 level mod who mad

didn't even get curse

Tbh we got Ballaks no lie

Also how much different is abd1, actually?

abd1s do not have easier/low level monsters, the only difference is the bosses.

tbh horde takes longer than ballak anyway

[SirIzenhime]

sry but 'i'm a slow keyer' isnt a good enough excuse to not key/host a fl.

 

But simply not wanting to is :thumbup:

[Masterexpert]

 

Thank you Pfohlol for the blood necklace :D

[Stommel]

-13 level mod who mad

didn't even get curse

Tbh we got Ballaks no lie

Also how much different is abd1, actually?

abd1s do not have easier/low level monsters, the only difference is the bosses.

tbh horde takes longer than ballak anyway

 

Whats the reason for them being much faster than abd 2s? cursebearer floors?

In c1s at least monsters get much harder as you do higher floors (warped c1s are annoying.)

[SirIzenhime]

because the monsters are easier, therefore faster GDs

[Blutters]

sry but 'i'm a slow keyer' isnt a good enough excuse to not key/host a fl.

 

But simply not wanting to is :thumbup:

I don't key because I legitimately can't remember all those doors. I don't know how people do.

Fortunately this hasn't presented itself as a problem as a non-keyer as long as I remember what I gate (which I do! ;) ).

The program a few pages back might help if I knew how to set it up/anything about programming atal... I'll look into it!

 

Speaking of non-keying since I just get nubbed at for having baxe w/rapier I'd just like to switch to mittens (was planning on dropping Rapier for B Neck but I can't find any after 100 sooo...).

Simpler for me and it makes you guys happy lol...

5:5 meds on whatever floor Lahk Planefreezer starts appearing on? "Gauntlet hunt +4!" I can at least handle keying Ice meds.

[ghjkl]

sry but 'i'm a slow keyer' isnt a good enough excuse to not key/host a fl.

 

But simply not wanting to is :thumbup:

I don't key because I legitimately can't remember all those doors. I don't know how people do.

Fortunately this hasn't presented itself as a problem as a non-keyer as long as I remember what I gate (which I do! ;) ).

The program a few pages back might help if I knew how to set it up/anything about programming atal... I'll look into it!

 

Speaking of non-keying since I just get nubbed at for having baxe w/rapier I'd just like to switch to mittens (was planning on dropping Rapier for B Neck but I can't find any after 100 sooo...).

Simpler for me and it makes you guys happy lol...

5:5 meds on whatever floor Lahk Planefreezer starts appearing on? "Gauntlet hunt +4!" I can at least handle keying Ice meds.

It is still the responsibility of the team to remember what all doors are, not just the keyer. If you don't learn to key you can never be a truly good game carrier.

[bladekill133]

I don't key because I legitimately can't remember all those doors. I don't know how people do.

Fortunately this hasn't presented itself as a problem as a non-keyer as long as I remember what I gate (which I do! ;) ).

The program a few pages back might help if I knew how to set it up/anything about programming atal... I'll look into it!

 

Speaking of non-keying since I just get nubbed at for having baxe w/rapier I'd just like to switch to mittens (was planning on dropping Rapier for B Neck but I can't find any after 100 sooo...).

Simpler for me and it makes you guys happy lol...

5:5 meds on whatever floor Lahk Planefreezer starts appearing on? "Gauntlet hunt +4!" I can at least handle keying Ice meds.

 

I used to write thing down on a post it, then after that I typed them in sk's notepad. After a while I just got used to remembering which doors are where and who's gated what. But also on a decent team, the team should also remember doors. It's usually okay if I forget someone's gate because then they'll just "zomg wtf noob give me the damn sr key."

 

Before you change your binds you should at least understand why rapier/baxe isn't a good pairing and 2h/rapier isn't a bad pairing. With rapier/2h pairing, you rapier low defence things and stab weak things, but with baxe, there's much less benefit if any to rapiering low defence monsters since baxe is already pretty fast, so you would really only rapier stab weak things, of which there aren't enough to be worth it. (I think, anyway, someone more knowledgeable can correct me if I'm wrong.)

And I thought hunts were supposed to be 5:5 c6 small.

[MrGreens]

blutters just break your battleaxe and get a 2h if you really want to use a rapier.

[Het_Volk]

rapier is useful but not as fun as a ccs or hex

[Grimy_Bunyip]

New data just in (courtesy of balthalmel), we've determined the approximate defense of max level range zombies. (they seem to have ~lvl 99 defense and 0 slash armor).

Anyways based on this data, a plain primal battle axe > a plain primal rapier on them, even with turmoil flashing.

 

anyways assuming this + turmoil flashing on a max level range zombie.

primal baxe has a dps rating of about 84.68 to a primal rapier's 84.35.

this is based on ~400 hits worth of data, so there is still a reasonable margin of error.

but it doesn't really look good for the primal rapier if it's inferior to the battleaxe even when turmoil flashing.

 

This make the primal rapier only really useful for maybe shades (need more data on their defense) and for stabbing.

there might still be some potential in the 2h-rapier combo, but I have my doubts about that combo.

And I definitely don't think DGS should authorize that if the player does not have a primal 2h.

 

Blutters, stop being stubborn and just break your rapier bind already.

[Het_Volk]

does this count for people that cant acces primal weapons?

[Blutters]

Oh no guys I'm honestly fine with switching to gauntlets as I wanted Blood Necklace anyway. I got T10 zerker and have had turm and I kinda wanna see what I can hit. I understand the reasoning (overlap and such) although I still found plenty of use for rapier but I really don't want to argue about it because I'm sure that Obtaurian understood that there were still benefits to the pairing, just that they were reduced in relation to Rapier + 2H (this talking about 3rd bind guide). My personal preference tends towards faster weapons which is why since Baxe + Rapier isn't acceptable I'd rather just stay Baxe than do Rapier + 2H.

 

Thanks for clarifying that they're C6 smalls and not meds.

 

Hey Wicked make a touchscreen version for ipad/droid of that keying program :)

[Leik]

Random question. If I decide to apply for keyer rank and use that spreadsheet thingy, do those floors have to be DGS only or can I include other clans/worlds as well? Because I like randomly going to w117/148 and getting 25-30min floors, just for luls. Can post screenie with it if needed.

 

Just a random thought.

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Random question. If I decide to apply for keyer rank and use that spreadsheet thingy, do those floors have to be DGS only or can I include other clans/worlds as well? Because I like randomly going to w117/148 and getting 25-30min floors, just for luls. Can post screenie with it if needed.

 

Just a random thought.

post all floor times, if it's a 117 team, you can jot down a note in the comments section.

[LitterBug]

Hey, I was wondering about level mods? It's the bonus for killing the monsters you encounter right?

Is there any more information about it?

-Does clearing all monsters give a positive bonus?

-Is there a percentage of monsters that you have to kill for each mod?

 

Any more information about this would be greatly appreciated!

[Grimy_Bunyip]

Oh no guys I'm honestly fine with switching to gauntlets as I wanted Blood Necklace anyway. I got T10 zerker and have had turm and I kinda wanna see what I can hit. I understand the reasoning (overlap and such) although I still found plenty of use for rapier but I really don't want to argue about it because I'm sure that Obtaurian understood that there were still benefits to the pairing, just that they were reduced in relation to Rapier + 2H (this talking about 3rd bind guide). My personal preference tends towards faster weapons which is why since Baxe + Rapier isn't acceptable I'd rather just stay Baxe than do Rapier + 2H.

 

Thanks for clarifying that they're C6 smalls and not meds.

 

Hey Wicked make a touchscreen version for ipad/droid of that keying program :)

Obtaurian doesn't make decisions on bind conventions in DGS. I do, since I'm the one that calculates the data.

You can't just pick and choose admins to agree with.

I have final say on bind conventions.

If for whatever reason what obtaurian's said in the past contradicts what I have said, it is only because I had not provided him with new DPS data when he made such a contradiction.

[xx_magiks_xx]

Id like to publicly apologize to grunnrules for trying to loot his soulgazer pile, [cabbage] move from me.

Won't happen again. Again, sorry grunnrules.

Why would it happen just once? Not a very good sign of your discipline tbh.

It was a bit situational, but definitely not enough to validate it.

:shame:

Can really only take my word for it i guess, if you like to know how it situational it was feel free to pm me.

[Blutters]

Oh no guys I'm honestly fine with switching to gauntlets as I wanted Blood Necklace anyway. I got T10 zerker and have had turm and I kinda wanna see what I can hit. I understand the reasoning (overlap and such) although I still found plenty of use for rapier but I really don't want to argue about it because I'm sure that Obtaurian understood that there were still benefits to the pairing, just that they were reduced in relation to Rapier + 2H (this talking about 3rd bind guide). My personal preference tends towards faster weapons which is why since Baxe + Rapier isn't acceptable I'd rather just stay Baxe than do Rapier + 2H.

 

Thanks for clarifying that they're C6 smalls and not meds.

 

Hey Wicked make a touchscreen version for ipad/droid of that keying program :)

Obtaurian doesn't make decisions on bind conventions in DGS. I do, since I'm the one that calculates the data.

You can't just pick and choose admins to agree with.

I have final say on bind conventions.

If for whatever reason what obtaurian's said in the past contradicts what I have said, it is only because I had not provided him with new DPS data when he made such a contradiction.

What? I didn't read your last post before I replied with that. All I was saying is that any third bind gives an advantage vs not having a third bind. A battleaxe and rapier is better than just a battleaxe but not as good as the 2h and rapier combo, and I'm sure both you and he understand that.

You make it sound like I'm putting words in his mouth or something... You and him are on the same page. I was just saying that I still have an easier time with most shades/zombies than a baxe user would, and that's an advantage, but it's an inferior advantage.

 

You seem to be misinterpretting what I'm saying and then immediately taking issue with it. I'm already going to switch to gauntlets (and I understand why it's a good choice to do so) so what does it matter?

[xpx]

Basically what grimy is saying is that rapier+baxe is not an acceptable bind combination, and we have doubts about whether even 2h and rapier will be allowed in the foreseeable future. Grimy has always been behind the decisions regarding this and whatever he says, you have to comply with.