Unafraid to bot

[brunokiller]

To what Wicked said; Rs is a lot more fun if you know some bugs.

 

However it is wrong when you get a clear advantage over others, which I don't do.

 

But see, why should we care if someone gets an advantage over us? Look at the penguin glitch. I wasn't on and missed it (Or I'd have abused the [bleep] out of it). Did I care that these people all got millions and millions of XP for no work? Not at all. Good on them.

I'm talking about bugs that do harm to others. Examples would be bugs like invisible pking and 'teleporting' out of duels. These clearly degrade the gaming experience of legit users.

 

Also, it took jagex months to fix both of them.

[Youmu]

Since when has spending 12.000 hours of your life grinding all skills to 99 been moral anyway?

 

You guys compare botters to addict smokers, and bot programmers to the corporate megalomaniacs who encourage people to smoke.

 

Yet, if I could compare smoke addicts to anything in this game, I would compare them to no-lifers, not to botters. Grinding is an addiction, just like smoking. Botting isn't. The botters are more like smokers who take stuff to stop smoking. And Jagex obviously is a megalomaniac corporation feeding the addiction of players to make money. But then again comparing anything in Runescape to things in real life is pointless, like some guy said earlier this is a game, stop taking this so seriously.

Did you really just judge my entire post based on that one sentence? I said botting is "morally wrong" because it goes against the rules of what Jagex set in stone (which they didn't really look to that much, their fault really). NOT because it is immoral in real life!

 

As I said in that post, botting does not affect me, because it doesn't MAKE me break the rules nor does it bother me in the slightest. For most people, this would probably apply.

[Silvertaler]

How many of the people saying, "Botters are scum and immoral," have never used a cheat code on a gameboy/sega/playstation? Same thing.

 

A lot of people have a strong opinion. As I said earlier... I hack. Writing hacks for Battlefield and other FPS. I constantly get, "If you can't play without cheating, why play at all?" One of the biggest people saying this was my own father. Then I asked them... Sit down and play one game with a hack. Just try it. If you don't like it, don't use it again. My dad will no longer play if he's not got one of my hacks. These people who used to say, "Dirty hackers! You can't play so you hack!" then say, "Omg! It's so fun to hack!" You can make a game that orinially is not fun fun by cheating. It's undeniable.

 

Same general idea. I'm sure if you all actually tried a "cheat" for RuneScape and came back on to a few extra bucks/levels, your perspectives would change. Not saying that I have (For RuneScape)... But it's the same for every game.

Well, no.

 

While I couldn't care less about botters on MMO's, because of how braindead the grind is, hacking 100% PVP based games is pretty lame. You talk about fun? If you need a hack to win on a FPS, then it's that you're desperate to win against others. And if you're desperate in the first place it's because you're taking the game too seriously.

 

It's really selfish and egocentric that the only way you can play is at the expense of other people's fun. That's very weak minded, typical of people who live in their bubble. Playing fair against others while trying to improve yourself is not only more enjoyable, but it also helps you moderate your ego (which considerably improves your personality) and helps increase your IQ. The best games I ever had were those where both sides were very even, and where both sides were not cheating.

[Stev]

How many of the people saying, "Botters are scum and immoral," have never used a cheat code on a gameboy/sega/playstation? Same thing.

 

A lot of people have a strong opinion. As I said earlier... I hack. Writing hacks for Battlefield and other FPS. I constantly get, "If you can't play without cheating, why play at all?" One of the biggest people saying this was my own father. Then I asked them... Sit down and play one game with a hack. Just try it. If you don't like it, don't use it again. My dad will no longer play if he's not got one of my hacks. These people who used to say, "Dirty hackers! You can't play so you hack!" then say, "Omg! It's so fun to hack!" You can make a game that orinially is not fun fun by cheating. It's undeniable.

 

Same general idea. I'm sure if you all actually tried a "cheat" for RuneScape and came back on to a few extra bucks/levels, your perspectives would change. Not saying that I have (For RuneScape)... But it's the same for every game.

Well, no.

 

While I couldn't care less about botters on MMO's, because of how braindead the grind is, hacking 100% PVP based games is pretty lame. You talk about fun? If you need a hack to win on a FPS, then it's that you're desperate to win against others. And if you're desperate in the first place it's because you're taking the game too seriously.

Surprisingly, most people who hack don't do it to win. And a lot of people who do hack could completely wipe the floor against an opponent hack free. They do it because it's more fun jumping 600 feet in the air, launching a million RPGs a second and blowing everything up. :P. I do it because I make good amounts of money for taking a short time to write/maintain/update an undetected VIP hack.

 

However, the topic is botting, RWT, and such. My hack example was just that; an example. People cheat because it's fun. They cheat because when they are done cheating, they now have the levels to do the fun things in a game.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Now I'm a relatively high level, my fun comes from doing stuff with friends, minigames, dungeoneering, etc.

Good points, but with respect those aren't the kind of activities we're talking about when it comes to botting. If RuneScape however had more of an emphasis on these sorts of activities then perhaps casual botting (on an invidividual basis to grind skills or farm GP for non-commercial use) wouldn't be such a problem.

 

I don't think anyone here honestly supports botting, there are just some of us who think that with the way RuneScape is so heavily structured around "skilling", it's kind of asking for it and it's certainly not misunderstandable to realise why someone who would rather be outside or playing CoD would be appealed to casual botting. I think one of the problems with RuneScape is that to do any of what you've mentioned (except friends, obviously), you have to have grinded your levels high enough for others to regard you as being 'efficient' enough to join them. Even CW--a game largely focused around tactical awareness rather than one-on-one dueling--requires you to be level 94 Magic to perform well.

[BioIce]

I think one of the problems with RuneScape is that to do any of what you've mentioned (except friends, obviously), you have to have grinded your levels high enough for others to regard you as being 'efficient' enough to join them. Even CW--a game largely focused around tactical awareness rather than one-on-one dueling--requires you to be level 94 Magic to perform well.

 

A very good point.

 

If only Jagex would look to how other MMOs are handling it.

[SwreeTak]

People take huge risks with their accounts as they use bots. I too have noticed how it gets more and more common how people use their mains as bots. Jagex do a good job though, I believe in them. Even though I seem to be of a more and more rare kind that still thinks so.

[Silvertaler]

How many of the people saying, "Botters are scum and immoral," have never used a cheat code on a gameboy/sega/playstation? Same thing.

 

A lot of people have a strong opinion. As I said earlier... I hack. Writing hacks for Battlefield and other FPS. I constantly get, "If you can't play without cheating, why play at all?" One of the biggest people saying this was my own father. Then I asked them... Sit down and play one game with a hack. Just try it. If you don't like it, don't use it again. My dad will no longer play if he's not got one of my hacks. These people who used to say, "Dirty hackers! You can't play so you hack!" then say, "Omg! It's so fun to hack!" You can make a game that orinially is not fun fun by cheating. It's undeniable.

 

Same general idea. I'm sure if you all actually tried a "cheat" for RuneScape and came back on to a few extra bucks/levels, your perspectives would change. Not saying that I have (For RuneScape)... But it's the same for every game.

Well, no.

 

While I couldn't care less about botters on MMO's, because of how braindead the grind is, hacking 100% PVP based games is pretty lame. You talk about fun? If you need a hack to win on a FPS, then it's that you're desperate to win against others. And if you're desperate in the first place it's because you're taking the game too seriously.

Surprisingly, most people who hack don't do it to win. And a lot of people who do hack could completely wipe the floor against an opponent hack free. They do it because it's more fun jumping 600 feet in the air, launching a million RPGs a second and blowing everything up. :P. I do it because I make good amounts of money for taking a short time to write/maintain/update an undetected VIP hack.

 

However, the topic is botting, RWT, and such. My hack example was just that; an example. People cheat because it's fun. They cheat because when they are done cheating, they now have the levels to do the fun things in a game.

Who's "a lot of people"? That's the kind of people who download the game, play it for a week then get bored and uninstall it. But they're not so many. At least on the games I play, most hackers are desperate idiots who rage at you whenever they die.

[Stev]

A lot of people was the majority of our member list. They weren't buying our hacks to win every game. Hell, a simple chams hack could achieve that. They wanted the fun abilities that came with it (Ex. Unlimited ammo, speed hack, fly hack, etc). If it was all about wins, every hacker would simply sit there with OPK on every single game. And many of our members have been playing these games and the series' for years. Not the typical, "Try it. Don't like it. Hack it. Leave it."

 

But cheating does and can make a game more fun. Whether it be while your cheating (Like in an FPS) or after you've cheated the levels/money.

[Wkw]

I say botters and RWTers are "dirty scum" because they are cheating while I am not.

 

Cheating in a single player game is fine. I do it all the time. Its more fun

Cheating in a multiplayer game is NOT fine, its jnot fun for me. Multiplayer games need rules, a cealing. Those who break the cealing may be above and better off in the game the the rest but when it rains, the people stuck in the box get wet.

 

Sorry I'm typing this at lunch.

[Nuffbutmage]

In my opinion botters are the real nolifers, technically i would understand a person who likes to pk but does not like the training to get decent stats, or goldfarmers who want to make irl cash

 

but this topic is about mains, if you are really in the need to show off a 99, because that is the only reason why those people bot, then you are a pathetic attention [bleep], i play the game because i enjoy it

 

if there are people out who just bot random 99s that have literally no effect, then i would say those people are the real nolifers, if you tend to brag over such achievements, you lack in personality and i really dont want to have such people neither as friends nor in my surrounding

 

if you dont like the game, dont play it, its that simple, although i have no respect for these botters who train their pures to maxed stats, they do enjoy the game, when they pk, but if you just bot random lvls for literally no reason, you are the real addict

 

 

as long as you enjoy what you do, you have certainly one of the best lives, and are probably envied by a lot, if your goal is 200m all skills and you enjoy every single bit of the game, you have by far a more joyful life than a person who works 40 hours per week, is stressed by his family and has other issues

 

and eventually people will be banned for their accounts

[CharlieBrown]

 

as long as you enjoy what you do, you have certainly one of the best lives, and are probably envied by a lot, if your goal is 200m all skills and you enjoy every single bit of the game, you have by far a more joyful life than a person who works 40 hours per week, is stressed by his family and has other issues

 

and eventually people will be banned for their accounts

 

Most of the people who are going for 200 mil xp, DO infact have jobs and/or go to universtiy.

Stop making vast accusations and derogatory comments against those who work.

Just because i work 40 hours a week doesn't mean i hate it.

If i hated it; i wouldn't be working 40 hours.

Furthermore, if you work, you must hate your family?

Wtf is this.

 

I dunno if i've taken you the wrong way, which i probably have, but eh ://

[Nuffbutmage]

i have said, that if you dont enjoy what you do you shouldnt do it, and i dont say that people hate work, but if you do, stop it, i dont say all people hate their family, but if you do you shouldnt stay with them

 

its not an egoistic outlook of life, but if you only do what society says you to do, you are a weird person, by you i dont mean "you as a person" i mean anybody

 

 

i never generalize anything, so please dont say that, also family and work isnt linked, like u say, if you hated playing runescape, you wouldnt do it (if you hate work you wouldnt do it), that was my point with botters, im not insulting anybody

[CharlieBrown]

 

but if you really do what society says you to do, you are a weird person

 

I understand the rest of what you've said, so don't think i'm ONLY replying to this one sentence.

 

But, society says you shouldn't bot

So if you don't bot; are you a weird person?

;)

[Nuffbutmage]

ive meant things that you dont like shouldnt be done, just because society tells you to do it, if you like it, then you should do that ofc, u have an own decision to play the game, if you dont like it in the first place then why would you play it? thats the thing i dont understand

 

if you have an other opinion on the outlook of life, i wont want you to change that, i personally cannot understand the situation about botting useless 99s

[CharlieBrown]

ive meant things that you dont like shouldnt be done, just because society tells you to do it, if you like it, then you should do that ofc, u have an own decision to play the game, if you dont like it in the first place then why would you play it? thats the thing i dont understand

 

Because some people like the rewards at the end of the botting phase?

I guess because being able to just go straight in and use the content might seem a lot easier than spending 100-200 hours on a skill to be able to only then get access to it.

I'm not endorsing those who bot, just my understanding of the opinions of those who do bot.

[Nuffbutmage]

there is no reward to having 99 farming, except for a cape thats probably only linked with bragging, and i personally dont like braggers, especially when their content wasnt even achieved

if you like runecrafting, why would you bot 99 mining, for example, it is all about show offs, from what i know the quest requirements arent that high, (like 80s) after that there is almost nothing from benefiting the 99, and most of the people dont put that 99 to any use after they have botted it, its all about a show off, thats what i dont like or understand

[CharlieBrown]

there is no reward to having 99 farming, except for a cape thats probably only linked with bragging, and i personally dont like braggers, especially when their content wasnt even achieved

if you like runecrafting, why would you bot 99 mining, for example, it is all about show offs, from what i know the quest requirements arent that high, (like 80s) after that there is almost nothing from benefiting the 99, and most of the people dont put that 99 to any use after they have botted it, its all about a show off, thats what i dont like or understand

 

I think you're totally forgetting about dungeoneering.

A high level in every skill is VERY beneficial.

I agree, some people do bot just to show off, however. And those people i also dislike.

But as i said earlier, some people can bot for the benefits at the end of it

[Innadi]

Wow, I bet I have seen at least 15 bots! Its very bad, and I found almost most of them at the Taverly Dungeon, but how can anyone risk such an account.

[highlanders]

I think you're totally forgetting about dungeoneering.

A high level in every skill is VERY beneficial.

 

You only need high skill lvls if you're keying, if you're not keying and you got better skills than the keyer then you're probably gonna be needed for every other door and end up slowing the dungeon a bit.

[Silvertaler]

A lot of people was the majority of our member list. They weren't buying our hacks to win every game. Hell, a simple chams hack could achieve that. They wanted the fun abilities that came with it (Ex. Unlimited ammo, speed hack, fly hack, etc). If it was all about wins, every hacker would simply sit there with OPK on every single game. And many of our members have been playing these games and the series' for years. Not the typical, "Try it. Don't like it. Hack it. Leave it."

 

But cheating does and can make a game more fun. Whether it be while your cheating (Like in an FPS) or after you've cheated the levels/money.

It makes the game more fun for you. The people who you're talking about are selfish [bleep]s. But then again, we are what we eat. Later on the cheaters rage whenever they lose at any games, while those who played with good intentions get a better long term gaming experience.

 

@ people supporting the "if you don't like it, don't play it" argument: many skillers out there train skills they don't like at all. They do it only to surpass others. Shouldn't you be quitting the game too then, if it's also your case?

[Dragonlordjl]

Cheating produces a short-lived fun, though. Yeah, it's awesome being "the best" but it quickly becomes boring because there is no challenge left. I've heard from many people with billions/maxed accounts that the game isn't really fun on that character anymore, which leads them to start new characters.

 

You use cheats in a console RPG to get max level or whatever, and at first it's like "YEEEAH I AM SO POWERFUL LOL" but it quickly becomes "Damn, this game is boring, I kill everything in two hits and have nothing left to shoot for." The ease at which you reach max level in Fallout 3 (and similarly NV) is one of the major downsides to the game, because at least to me the game loses a lot of its fun factor when you aren't able to level up anymore. It just becomes a sandbox FPS, and at level 20 (and especially 30 with DLC) nothing can come close to killing you.

[Stev]

Wow, I bet I have seen at least 15 bots! Its very bad, and I found almost most of them at the Taverly Dungeon, but how can anyone risk such an account.

How are they risking an account? Jagex doesn't give a [bleep] and bots don't get banned. They are risking nothing as there is no risk.

 

Botting: It's like staking with a 100% chance of success.

[Innadi]

Cheating produces a short-lived fun, though. Yeah, it's awesome being "the best" but it quickly becomes boring because there is no challenge left. I've heard from many people with billions/maxed accounts that the game isn't really fun on that character anymore, which leads them to start new characters.

Yeah, thats absolutely true! :thumbup:

[ClimbingBootsGuy]

It's true, on my RuneScape account I have a lot of wealth, yet it hasn't really made the game anymore fun for me.