Unafraid to bot

[timmmmm83]

This when there are easy ways of freeing RS from bots.

Such as...?

Remember RSC where you had to type in a word to get out of your sleeping bag?

 

Same concept is used to prevent bots making e-mailaccounts and to my knowledge it still does its job.

 

Botting is definitely a problem in Runescape, but it does not affect me much.

Now the gameplay of others is being targetted, they complain but people don't care.

When your gameplay is being affected, maybe the majority will be indifferent too.

Indifference = bad. If it is a problem, they should fix it.

 

And yes I know this is just a game, doesn't change anything tough.

[reddawn509]

Remember RSC where you had to type in a word to get out of your sleeping bag?

 

Same concept is used to prevent bots making e-mailaccounts and to my knowledge it still does its job.

 

I don't know, I'm fairly sure scripters could figure that out pretty easily. If they can do random events (don't get me wrong, these aren't "tricky" or anything, but they're designed to be difficult for bots to complete, but they complete them anyways), they can probably type a random word to continue working.

[Stev]

I am sorry but I still wish to play this game and these bots are essentially ruining it for me.

Really? How come?

Inb4 preconceptions and no tangible argument.

Pretty obvious:

Bots lower resource prices, people that gather resources suffer from this.

If he is a person that likes to fish/woodcut/mine/... bots ruin it for him, he earns a tiny fraction of what he would earn without bots.

 

This when there are easy ways of freeing RS from bots.

If people are fishing/woodcutting/mining for money they should expect a low income. I'm sure even without bots, it'd still be less then worth it. The only reason people skill now-a-days is for that cape.

 

And, TBH, what would someone who spends 99% of their time skilling actually need so much money for? A new pickaxe? O_o.

[Crossed_Body]

Pretty obvious:

Bots lower resource prices, people that gather resources suffer from this.

If he is a person that likes to fish/woodcut/mine/... bots ruin it for him, he earns a tiny fraction of what he would earn without bots.

 

This when there are easy ways of freeing RS from bots.

Resource gathering has always been a terrible moneymaker. If bots were gone, and the prices jumped 5 times, it would still be a terrible moneymaker.

 

If

a) people do it for fun

then

Bots do not hinder their fun. There are resource gathering spots for everybody, and the best ways to train skills are often profitless.

If

b) people do it for money

then

They are doing it wrong, resource gathering is horrible money, and would still be if the bots didn't exist. It is faster money to chop ivys and use the time saved at frosts, than to chop yews/magics all the way to 99.

[LitterBug]

Lol, I'm very fond of the arguments where people bring up botting as a moral wrong. They make it seem like it's paramount to robbing an old lady.

[timmmmm83]

And, TBH, what would someone who spends 99% of their time skilling actually need so much money for? A new pickaxe? O_o.

Good example! Dragon pickaxe = 12,4m.

 

With 50k/hour income from mining it takes 248 hours to get a dragon pickaxe.

With no bots they perhaps double their income to 100k/hour (which is from bosshunting perspective stil incredibly low) they get their pickaxe in half the time.

 

Resource gathering has always been a terrible moneymaker. If bots were gone, and the prices jumped 5 times, it would still be a terrible moneymaker.

 

If

a) people do it for fun

then

Bots do not hinder their fun. There are resource gathering spots for everybody, and the best ways to train skills are often profitless.

If

b) people do it for money

then

They are doing it wrong, resource gathering is horrible money, and would still be if the bots didn't exist. It is faster money to chop ivys and use the time saved at frosts, than to chop yews/magics all the way to 99.

Most people I know do it for both, they do it for fun and the cash is an extra. I would think it is safe to say that if they earn 5x as much as they do now, their gaming experience would slightly improve. :razz:

You said: do it efficient and spend the rest of your time at frosts. I've seen lots of posts stating frosties are full of bots too. :unsure: + not everyone likes combat

 

People are often biased by the friends they hang out with. It is probable that you guys hang out with people who plan their time efficiently and take rational decisions. I'm not saying this is wrong, but extrapolating this to the whole RS-population is wrong. A couple of friends quit when popular hunting spots were overrun with bots, as they lost their #1 moneymaker. Yes, they could have been more efficient and bosshunt/merch, but they didn't like that and just quit.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Then I can understand how botting ruined their experience, in fairness, and I've no answer for it. Unfortunately they've had to pay the price for playing a system which I think fundamentally rewards botting. People shouldn't feel as though they have to be shoved down an avenue to avoid botting on a local scale.

[Dire_Wolf]

People are often biased by the friends they hang out with. It is probable that you guys hang out with people who plan their time efficiently and take rational decisions. I'm not saying this is wrong, but extrapolating this to the whole RS-population is wrong. A couple of friends quit when popular hunting spots were overrun with bots, as they lost their #1 moneymaker. Yes, they could have been more efficient and bosshunt/merch, but they didn't like that and just quit.

Your friends can try to kill the bots if they are low level. Example Rimmington Yew trees. Drop Yew logs towards Hobgoblins. Bots should follow the trail and get killed by Hobgoblins.

 

Result? Perhaps a bag full of Yew logs as bot dies.

[timmmmm83]

Your friends can try to kill the bots if they are low level. Example Rimmington Yew trees. Drop Yew logs towards Hobgoblins. Bots should follow the trail and get killed by Hobgoblins.

 

Result? Perhaps a bag full of Yew logs as bot dies.

Thanks, I'll tell them this when I see them online on msn. Could be thousands of chins in their invent. :grin:

 

But I doubt they will renew membership to try this out though. :unsure:

[Mercifull]

The grindy nature of runescape is bulls--t as an excuse for botting. Runescape's updates in the last few years has made it less grind-like than ever before!

[Ginger_Warrior]

It's not an excuse, it's a consequence.

[Crossed_Body]

Most people I know do it for both, they do it for fun and the cash is an extra. I would think it is safe to say that if they earn 5x as much as they do now, their gaming experience would slightly improve. :razz:

You said: do it efficient and spend the rest of your time at frosts. I've seen lots of posts stating frosties are full of bots too. :unsure: + not everyone likes combat

Then I really wouldn't say that bots "ruin their experience". A moderate nuisance would be a better description.

 

People are often biased by the friends they hang out with.

I guess. Most of my friends are studying/are engineers.

[Dire_Wolf]

Your friends can try to kill the bots if they are low level. Example Rimmington Yew trees. Drop Yew logs towards Hobgoblins. Bots should follow the trail and get killed by Hobgoblins.

 

Result? Perhaps a bag full of Yew logs as bot dies.

Thanks, I'll tell them this when I see them online on msn. Could be thousands of chins in their invent. :grin:

 

But I doubt they will renew membership to try this out though. :unsure:

There is a topic on here called something like "Methods to kill bots". That could help your resource friends. Perhaps if it works well for them, they might find bots fun to have around. I mean if you can get a bot killed, and receive a full bag of a resource item, then that's pretty neat.

 

Anyhow the Rimmington Yew spot is good way to get some cash + test out if you can really kill bots well. My point is: If they succeed in killing Bots at that popular Yew tree spot, it might convince them to become member again and take the fight to Members.

[Punitive_D]

The grindy nature of runescape is bulls--t as an excuse for botting. Runescape's updates in the last few years has made it less grind-like than ever before!

 

My view is that the grindy nature of runescape allows bots to compete. There are no pking bots because bots can't do that. Over time, I would like Jagex to make runescape less botable. I'm not talking about annoying randoms, etc. I mean that the game should be more interactive and less "click and wait." I know that bots can do a lot, but I'm also sure that Jagex could adjust the game so that human players have an advantage. Right now, because bots can play 24/7, they have the advantage. I'd like to see the game eventually developed so that the live human has the advantage. In the end, the game always will be about competition, and nobody wants to compete with a bot. Even randoms wouldn't be so bad if they were part of game play. How about this for a random? If one player suspects another of being a bot, he can "tag" the suspected player. The "tagged" player essentially gets a screaming notification and must do some non-botable random-event-like task within a reasonable amount of time. If he doesn't, he becomes attackable by the player who tagged him. If he succeeds, he gets a little reward and is immune from tagging for a couple hours.

[All_Is_Great]

 

For those making RWT sites:

In the end, they're making $$ illegally, and for that, I think it's wrong. Sure, they're smart, efficient, w/e, I still think it's wrong.

 

It isn't illegal, it is just against the rules of a GAME. There is no law applied to it (unless you don't pay taxes on income... :shame: Tisk Tisk) . I guess you could say "ohh you are selling copyrighted material" or "RSGP gets people addicted to a game so its a drug" or some other bull. To those making a living or making extra spending money off of a video game then more power to you, to those of you that are hating on people making money off being smart... get over it. Jagex doesn't care anymore (if they ever did). If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't put other people down because they do something. Like someone said earlier about smoking. If you don't like smoking then don't do it, but if you do, then do.

 

peace,

Vann

 

I know Jagex doesn't care, but I still think it's wrong. Why are you guys allowed to hate on people who dislike botting when we can't hate on botters? Doesn't make sense to me. I don't like botting so I don't bot. But why can't I say I dislike people who bot? Who am I putting down by saying "I don't like botters?" Are they really that sensitive?

 

I don't care if Jagex does nothing, I just don't like it. And the only reason is because I don't like people who cheat, even if it a video game. But in reality, it's not bothering me as much that I'm losing sleep over this in real life.

[Stev]

The grindy nature of runescape is bulls--t as an excuse for botting. Runescape's updates in the last few years has made it less grind-like than ever before!

People have no reason to train other then that cape at the end of the road. Some people may want that cape but not want to sped hundreds of hours to get it.

 

RuneScape is grinding. It doesn't matter how you look at it. They can do update after update, but I've still gotta click 4 millions trees to get a 99 Woodcutting. It doesn't matter if they add a new tree/ivy to cut; we still gotta grind. Adding a new place to train... Yay, I can grind with new scenery.

 

To have "fun" in RuneScape, it take hundreds upon hundreds of hours to be able to have/unlock that "fun".

[All_Is_Great]

You must get a 99 to have fun? Since when?

[Stev]

You must get a 99 to have fun? Since when?

Not 99, but the only fun I had before I had the stats for bossing / minigames was merching on my level 66. What else is there to really do besides... More skilling?

 

I'm tired of Runecrafting... Maybe I'll go peak my RuneScape experience with doing laps around an agility course while watching NASCAR. TBH, the only reason I still play RuneScape is that I've made excellent friends who I like to chat with. Most of my time is spent in the lobby chatting with the odd stake/boss hunt.

[Silvertaler]

 

 

Of course, botting is morally wrong.

Since when has spending 12.000 hours of your life grinding all skills to 99 been moral anyway?

 

You guys compare botters to addict smokers, and bot programmers to the corporate megalomaniacs who encourage people to smoke.

 

Yet, if I could compare smoke addicts to anything in this game, I would compare them to no-lifers, not to botters. Grinding is an addiction, just like smoking. Botting isn't. The botters are more like smokers who take stuff to stop smoking. And Jagex obviously is a megalomaniac corporation feeding the addiction of players to make money. But then again comparing anything in Runescape to things in real life is pointless, like some guy said earlier this is a game, stop taking this so seriously.

[Stev]

How many of the people saying, "Botters are scum and immoral," have never used a cheat code on a gameboy/sega/playstation? Same thing.

 

A lot of people have a strong opinion. As I said earlier... I hack. Writing hacks for Battlefield and other FPS. I constantly get, "If you can't play without cheating, why play at all?" One of the biggest people saying this was my own father. Then I asked them... Sit down and play one game with a hack. Just try it. If you don't like it, don't use it again. My dad will no longer play if he's not got one of my hacks. These people who used to say, "Dirty hackers! You can't play so you hack!" then say, "Omg! It's so fun to hack!" You can make a game that orinially is not fun fun by cheating. It's undeniable.

 

Same general idea. I'm sure if you all actually tried a "cheat" for RuneScape and came back on to a few extra bucks/levels, your perspectives would change. Not saying that I have (For RuneScape)... But it's the same for every game.

[brunokiller]

To what Wicked said; Rs is a lot more fun if you know some bugs.

 

However it is wrong when you get a clear advantage over others, which I don't do.

[BioIce]

 

RuneScape is grinding. It doesn't matter how you look at it. They can do update after update, but I've still gotta click 4 millions trees to get a 99 Woodcutting. It doesn't matter if they add a new tree/ivy to cut; we still gotta grind. Adding a new place to train... Yay, I can grind with new scenery.

 

To have "fun" in RuneScape, it take hundreds upon hundreds of hours to be able to have/unlock that "fun".

 

It shouldn't have to be that way.

 

Seems to me the recent trend in MMOs is to eliminate or shorten the grind.

[Stev]

To what Wicked said; Rs is a lot more fun if you know some bugs.

 

However it is wrong when you get a clear advantage over others, which I don't do.

 

But see, why should we care if someone gets an advantage over us? Look at the penguin glitch. I wasn't on and missed it (Or I'd have abused the [bleep] out of it). Did I care that these people all got millions and millions of XP for no work? Not at all. Good on them.

 

Climbing boots. Why do people get upset when others made instant millions? Who cares if I log in the next day with the same value bank I left with... While a pal logs in with 15M more? I, and others should, play this game for me. Others can do/gain what ever they like. If anything, that's motivation to get bigger and better.

 

 

RuneScape is grinding. It doesn't matter how you look at it. They can do update after update, but I've still gotta click 4 millions trees to get a 99 Woodcutting. It doesn't matter if they add a new tree/ivy to cut; we still gotta grind. Adding a new place to train... Yay, I can grind with new scenery.

 

To have "fun" in RuneScape, it take hundreds upon hundreds of hours to be able to have/unlock that "fun".

 

It shouldn't have to be that way.

 

Seems to me the recent trend in MMOs is to eliminate or shorten the grind.

If they did remove the grind, they'd see a few less bots, yes. However, it wouldn't stop the companies with thousands.

 

But then again, if they took away the grind and made it fun... Wouldn't the skilling locations fill up with people now wanting to do that skill? :P.

[BioIce]

 

RuneScape is grinding. It doesn't matter how you look at it. They can do update after update, but I've still gotta click 4 millions trees to get a 99 Woodcutting. It doesn't matter if they add a new tree/ivy to cut; we still gotta grind. Adding a new place to train... Yay, I can grind with new scenery.

 

To have "fun" in RuneScape, it take hundreds upon hundreds of hours to be able to have/unlock that "fun".

 

It shouldn't have to be that way.

 

Seems to me the recent trend in MMOs is to eliminate or shorten the grind.

If they did remove the grind, they'd see a few less bots, yes. However, it wouldn't stop the companies with thousands.

 

But then again, if they took away the grind and made it fun... Wouldn't the skilling locations fill up with people now wanting to do that skill? :P.

 

A crude measure: boost experience gains for the most godawful skills and you'll see more deserted areas being used or low-ranked skills being picked up. It won't make it more fun, but it'll cut the time to get to the goal.

 

Problem is the end game. Runescape has little of it. So you got 99 Runecrafting. Great. What can you do with that other than grinding for money, assisting, or playing the Great Orb Project?

[All_Is_Great]

How many of the people saying, "Botters are scum and immoral," have never used a cheat code on a gameboy/sega/playstation? Same thing.

 

A lot of people have a strong opinion. As I said earlier... I hack. Writing hacks for Battlefield and other FPS. I constantly get, "If you can't play without cheating, why play at all?" One of the biggest people saying this was my own father. Then I asked them... Sit down and play one game with a hack. Just try it. If you don't like it, don't use it again. My dad will no longer play if he's not got one of my hacks. These people who used to say, "Dirty hackers! You can't play so you hack!" then say, "Omg! It's so fun to hack!" You can make a game that orinially is not fun fun by cheating. It's undeniable.

 

Same general idea. I'm sure if you all actually tried a "cheat" for RuneScape and came back on to a few extra bucks/levels, your perspectives would change. Not saying that I have (For RuneScape)... But it's the same for every game.

 

But if the hack gives you an unfair advantage over others? Then you are having fun at another's expense. My friend has a modded xbox controller, and that gives him an advantage over the rest of us when we LAN, it doesn't mean I'm going to stop being friends with him, but it does lessen the gaming experience for some people.

 

Note however that doesn't apply to RS and botting, because personally botting doesn't affect me at all. But it does to others, and is wrong according to the rules. Whether or not those rules are enforced doesn't matter to me.

 

By the way though, I've had fun from the start of Runescape, and that's the reason I still play. It is a different kind of fun though, at a low level, fun was in trying out the new stuff, doing some quests, leveling up. Now I'm a relatively high level, my fun comes from doing stuff with friends, minigames, dungeoneering, etc.