Squeal of Fortune + Buyable Spins

[tripsis]

Well, but you have to admit that we've seen some pretty drastic changes from the moment investors took over, that leaves only two reasonable options that I can see:

 

1)The investors have taken over and DO run the company

 

2)Jagex is, for whatever reason(Maybe because all their other games have failed, they've blown millions into stellardawn and runescape can't be running forever), desperate and the investors are merely a side effect of that.

 

 

Not sure which option I find more likely...or more comforting for that matter....

I doubt #1. Especially because the investors don't even live in the UK (IIRC they're from New York?). If you're running the company you really at least have to be in the same country :/ I imagine it would be difficult to run it from overseas. And I don't think Jagex has taken on investors because they're desperate. I think it's because they do want to grow and it's rare that companies can grow immensely without investments. Jagex knows that RuneScape can't be their only game forever. Games rarely last as long as RuneScape has already. If Jagex wants to continue to exist after RuneScape they need another product. In order to expand into another product, they do need investments. They need to be able to hire new staff and dedicate those new employees and resources to other games, while continuing to be able to fully support RuneScape.

 

So I wouldn't call Jagex desperate because they turned to investors. They turned to investors because they are looking to grow and expand as a company, which is perfectly understandable. If they stick to only RuneScape forever, they're basically a company with an expiration date. Maybe not a specific one, but it's unlikely that RuneScape will exist forever (or at least be profitable forever).

[Bows]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

[Platinum_Myr]

The developers/decision makers have decided to attempt RWT through selling spins to see the reaction. If they feel overall it creates a positive reaction they *will* continue. Previously their belief was that Jagex selling stuff would result in more customer hate than benefit. I think they saw the popularity of games like League of Legends as proof that the microtransaction system works.

 

I'm hoping our outrage is enough for them to undo it.

[Quyneax]

Go away for a week, Jagex breaks the game and mostly whatever reputation they had left. You just can't rely on them anymore, policy changes unpredictably and fundamentally, making the game very different (also worse imo, but that's another matter) in a heartbeat.

 

Apparently legal concerns, gameplay reasons and many past promises can't make Jagex reliable and reasonable towards their players.

 

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Note it doesn't have 'disagree with recent game update' as an option.

[Zaaps1]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

[Bows]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

[Zaaps1]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

 

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

[Bows]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

And as our 'ruler' Jagex has the right to completely ignore us. Which... Is likely will happen.

[Jonanananas]

Well, but you have to admit that we've seen some pretty drastic changes from the moment investors took over, that leaves only two reasonable options that I can see:

 

1)The investors have taken over and DO run the company

 

2)Jagex is, for whatever reason(Maybe because all their other games have failed, they've blown millions into stellardawn and runescape can't be running forever), desperate and the investors are merely a side effect of that.

 

 

Not sure which option I find more likely...or more comforting for that matter....

I doubt #1. Especially because the investors don't even live in the UK (IIRC they're from New York?). If you're running the company you really at least have to be in the same country :/ I imagine it would be difficult to run it from overseas. And I don't think Jagex has taken on investors because they're desperate. I think it's because they do want to grow and it's rare that companies can grow immensely without investments. Jagex knows that RuneScape can't be their only game forever. Games rarely last as long as RuneScape has already. If Jagex wants to continue to exist after RuneScape they need another product. In order to expand into another product, they do need investments. They need to be able to hire new staff and dedicate those new employees and resources to other games, while continuing to be able to fully support RuneScape.

 

So I wouldn't call Jagex desperate because they turned to investors. They turned to investors because they are looking to grow and expand as a company, which is perfectly understandable. If they stick to only RuneScape forever, they're basically a company with an expiration date. Maybe not a specific one, but it's unlikely that RuneScape will exist forever (or at least be profitable forever).

 

I did not call them desperate because they have turned to investors. I've said that them truning to investors may be a side effect of that. And seeing how within a single year, Jagex went 180° on many things, be it F2P advertising or microtransactions, does mean there has to be some reason for that. Maybe "desperate" is too strong a word for it, but there is something there.

 

 

 

 

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

 

That's kind of the point I was trying to make. For a long time, Jagex wouldn't do certain things because they thought it would be detrimental to the game and its players, even if it brought them more money. That has changed from 2011 on. Doesn't mean that everything they're doing is suddenly bad now...but some things are.

[Lose No Hope]

I still fail to see how this is in the spirit of the game but effigies aren't.

[Zaaps1]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

And as our 'ruler' Jagex has the right to completely ignore us. Which... Is likely will happen.

 

Technically speaking, they have the right, yes.

 

But then again, they don't have the right to do this.

[Hedgehog]

I still fail to see how this is in the spirit of the game but effigies aren't.

My bet is that Jagex underestimated the amount of xp players could gain through this.

 

This is believable, cuz Jagex is kinda like, really, really, dumb.

[Jonanananas]

I still fail to see how this is in the spirit of the game but effigies aren't.

My bet is that Jagex underestimated the amount of xp players could gain through this.

 

This is believable, cuz Jagex is kinda like, really, really, dumb.

 

How about: Both are too much xp but one gets Jagex money and the other not?

[Hedgehog]

I still fail to see how this is in the spirit of the game but effigies aren't.

My bet is that Jagex underestimated the amount of xp players could gain through this.

 

This is believable, cuz Jagex is kinda like, really, really, dumb.

 

How about: Both are too much xp but one gets Jagex money and the other not?

That's viable as well.

[Bows]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

And as our 'ruler' Jagex has the right to completely ignore us. Which... Is likely will happen.

But then again, they don't have the right to do this.

I fail to see how they don't have the right.

[Platinum_Myr]

It is possible it could be considered gambling, and therefor illegal without a license. Probably not though.

[muckytears]

It is possible it could be considered gambling, and therefor illegal without a license. Probably not though.

 

The way I see it is Jagex are only saying that they are selling spins.. and if you pay they deliver those spins. It's just a microtransaction, and also the 'you always win' thing just makes it a massive loophole

[Jonanananas]

It is possible it could be considered gambling, and therefor illegal without a license. Probably not though.

 

The way I see it is Jagex are only saying that they are selling spins.. and if you pay they deliver those spins. It's just a microtransaction, and also the 'you always win' thing just makes it a massive loophole

 

They can "say" what they want. A lottery doesn't suddenly stop being a lottery if they tell you they're just delivering the lots. And this could indeed be considered a form of gambling....thing is, it's a grey area so likely the party with better lawyers is going to win (aka Jagex) and besides that...no one is going to sue them for this.

[Quyneax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE

 

First the removal of f2p hiscores, then the effigy nerf, the release of Early Bird specials as added insult ('add something positive'), then the release of SoF, then buyable spins.

[Zaaps1]

Nobody is desperate for turning to investors. In the end Jagex is a company, just like every other gaming company; and a company's goal is to make money. They're doing just that.

The problem I have with the whole "Jagex is a company, and companies try to make money, so if it makes them money what they do is justified" argument is that it assumes a "company" is just a lifeless, soulless, goal-driven entity.

 

I'm not going to argue that all companies aren't, but I adamantly disagree that all companies are.

I'm not going to argue that all companies are that way either, but you can't deny that in the end that's what Jagex is. Especially now that the game is on a decline.

Oh sure. Certainly that's how Jagex is nowadays. I agree 100%.

 

The point I was trying to make is that accepting Jagex's change of heart is unacceptable. As not only customers, but as members of a community fathered by Jagex and ourselves as well, we should not be so willing to justify Jagex's actions just because they are a company. If Jagex is our ruler, we have a right to demand he not be Machiavelli.

And as our 'ruler' Jagex has the right to completely ignore us. Which... Is likely will happen.

But then again, they don't have the right to do this.

I fail to see how they don't have the right.

What I mean to say is that technically speaking, sure they can. But from our standpoint they should not be allowed to do so without resistance.

[Powerfrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX_d_vMKswE

 

First the removal of f2p hiscores, then the effigy nerf, the release of Early Bird specials as added insult ('add something positive'), then the release of SoF, then buyable spins.

 

Pointless way to make your players hate you.

Much needed nerf, but left far too late.

Yay!

This does not bode well.

...God damn it why did i have to be right.

 

inb4 elite loyalty lucky $79.99 rapier of derp, 300 strength bonus, obtainable only though irl $ or irl time limited luck (IE, spins.)

[Logdotzip]

On a semi related note I just wanted to express how disappointed I am that they wasted the empty tab on the SoF shit. I had high hopes that the tab was going to be something a bit more worthwhile.

[Saradomin_Mage]

On a semi related note I just wanted to express how disappointed I am that they wasted the empty tab on the SoF shit. I had high hopes that the tab was going to be something a bit more worthwhile.

I think it's quite insulting to add a tiny feature of the game alongside stuff like Quests, Skills, Tasks etc, but that's just a personal view.

[Powerfrog]

On a semi related note I just wanted to express how disappointed I am that they wasted the empty tab on the SoF shit. I had high hopes that the tab was going to be something a bit more worthwhile.

I think it's quite insulting to add a tiny feature of the game alongside stuff like Quests, Skills, Tasks etc, but that's just a personal view.

I miss the summoning tab...

[Jonanananas]

Apparently the credit card issue was fixed.

 

Referring to this thread: [qfc]15-16-671-63674649[/qfc]

 

quote of the important part

 

"There are security measures in place to ensure that nobody but you can use your details, and even if youve chosen to store your information on the account for quick access to these when making a new purchase youll still need to enter the cards CVV code when doing so. Even if someone gained access to your account (which is really unlikely for players following our security info!) they still can** use your card to make payments without having your CVV, which would mean actually having your card to hand. "

 

 

Of course they act as if it has been like that all along and as if players didn't need to point out, and they don't mention that they told us we were secure from credit card fraud before this change....but I guess it's something. Is there someone who can try to confirm this btw? I see no reason why the OP of the thread would make this up, but you never know...