April 11, 201214 yr The odds of winning in a real casino game or even just a slot machine is much bigger than anything of the odds in rs is. Set drop rate to a minusucle amount? No problem, people just kill more stuff. But to set the rates at what jagex has done to sof is just absolutely unethical, considering there is real world cost for every spin. For these odds, you are much better off just spending what you're spending on spinning on lottery tickets...eg. Winning something from powerball is 1 in 37...it's about the exp you get, not the items.
April 11, 201214 yr The odds of winning in a real casino game or even just a slot machine is much bigger than anything of the odds in rs is. Set drop rate to a minusucle amount? No problem, people just kill more stuff. But to set the rates at what jagex has done to sof is just absolutely unethical, considering there is real world cost for every spin. For these odds, you are much better off just spending what you're spending on spinning on lottery tickets...eg. Winning something from powerball is 1 in 37...it's about the exp you get, not the items.Ofc the xp selling is completely bs too...I was talking more purely on the gambling aspect. I would prefer even to fail with honor than to win by cheating - Sophocles
April 11, 201214 yr The odds of winning in a real casino game or even just a slot machine is much bigger than anything of the odds in rs is. Set drop rate to a minusucle amount? No problem, people just kill more stuff. But to set the rates at what jagex has done to sof is just absolutely unethical, considering there is real world cost for every spin. For these odds, you are much better off just spending what you're spending on spinning on lottery tickets...eg. Winning something from powerball is 1 in 37...it's about the exp you get, not the items.Ofc the xp selling is completely bs too...I was talking more purely on the gambling aspect.O i c
April 11, 201214 yr I've got in touch with Jagex over email and the Mod confirmed that you indeed need to enter the cvv for spin purchases. Looks like at least one issue is fixed...
April 11, 201214 yr I've got in touch with Jagex over email and the Mod confirmed that you indeed need to enter the cvv for spin purchases. Looks like at least one issue is fixed... There's no stoppin 'Cheat For Fortuned'. GG. | 99 Attack | 99 Strength | 99 Defence | 99 Hit Points | 99 Prayer | 99 Magic | 99 Summoning | 99 Ranging || 99 Agility| 99 Woodcutting | 99 Construction | 99 Fletching | 99 Herblore | 99 Runecrafting | 99 Thieving || 99 Firemaking | 99 Crafting | 99 Runecrafting | 99 Cooking| 99 Smithing | 99 Construction | 99 Fishing || 99 Hunter | 99 Farming | 99 Slayer | Divination 99 | 115+ Dungeoneering |Total Level: 2590+Max Cape - Owner
April 11, 201214 yr Author I've got in touch with Jagex over email and the Mod confirmed that you indeed need to enter the cvv for spin purchases. Looks like at least one issue is fixed... There's no stoppin 'Cheat For Fortuned'. GG. Oh man, I'm sorry, but that was so bad. my youtube
April 12, 201214 yr Well, they gave me a new name idea. Thanks Lagex :thumbsup: [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER
April 12, 201214 yr Lol looks like this bug still isn't fixed... This is the second time I've gotten this. :P
April 12, 201214 yr From a company perspective, good fight jagex. Win win. But its a game marketed to 13-18 year olds. The flashing lights an bling bling all reflect the same atmosphere as a slot machine.\ The design is same as a casinos. But its all legit, Jagex would of had lawyers run over this with a fine tooth comb. Good fight, dislike but good job from a investment perspective. Look forward everyone, that is to buying gp ect in the future in my opinion. Lots of other games offer it, jagex is just shifting with the times. I'm against it, but understand it. Meh I guess, glad I rarely play to be honest. ~ K O N K A R ~ Konkar Jr ~ X Konkar X99 Strength - 18/12/08 - 99 Attack - 5/2/0999 Hp - 20/7/09 - 99 Defence 26/7/09R.I.P.K R I S KKrisk JrRSC, Lives on in all of us
April 12, 201214 yr Good fight, dislike but good job from a investment perspective. Look forward everyone, that is to buying gp ect in the future in my opinion. Lots of other games offer it, jagex is just shifting with the times. My optimistic nature wants to tell me that Jagex understands that legitimizing buying GP would be the straw that broke the camel's back. Also a few people mentioned that it would place a value on GP and label RuneScape as gambling and subject to appropriate laws in appropriate countries. I think if Jagex does expand the cash shop (and RuneScape does have a cash shop now, that only sells spins), it will follow the logic of Squeal of Fortune: Untradeable, unalchable, special versions. Like you'll be able to buy a "Requisitioned [item]" (requisitioned is just the title I gave to it).
April 12, 201214 yr Good fight, dislike but good job from a investment perspective. Look forward everyone, that is to buying gp ect in the future in my opinion. Lots of other games offer it, jagex is just shifting with the times. My optimistic nature wants to tell me that Jagex understands that legitimizing buying GP would be the straw that broke the camel's back. Also a few people mentioned that it would place a value on GP and label RuneScape as gambling and subject to appropriate laws in appropriate countries. I think if Jagex does expand the cash shop (and RuneScape does have a cash shop now, that only sells spins), it will follow the logic of Squeal of Fortune: Untradeable, unalchable, special versions. Like you'll be able to buy a "Requisitioned [item]" (requisitioned is just the title I gave to it). The value of GP is based on it's redeemable value, not the value you pay for it. Many companies perform microtransactions. Until their is a case that establishes them as online gambling, and thus illegal (only in the US), there will likely be nothing done about it.
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April 12, 201214 yr Lol looks like this bug still isn't fixed... This is the second time I've gotten this. :P "Awesome member's object" That made me lol. :P Tip.It Website Crew Leader[hide=Quotes]I love it how Jafje comes outa nowhere and answers my questionsHehe now we know what real life does...drugs, drugs, more drugs. Thank god we are addicted to something that won't kill us. [/hide]
April 12, 201214 yr New name? How about "Steal A Fortune"? That's actually a pretty fitting name for it. I wish this was Reddit so I could upvote this comment. :P RIP RU_Insane. August 3rd, 2005 - November 11th, 2012. My Stats on Old School RuneScape: Reform Customer SupportCheck Out My Threads
April 12, 201214 yr Although I am sure they have a legal team ensuring that they do not "technically" break the law, they are walking a very fine line in regards to gambling. Take this snippet of the UK 2005 Gambling act for instance: Gaming & game of chance(1) In this Act “gaming” means playing a game of chance for a prize.(2) In this Act “game of chance”— (a) includes— (i) a game that involves both an element of chance and an element of skill, (ii) a game that involves an element of chance that can be eliminated by superlative skill, and (iii) a game that is presented as involving an element of chance, but (4) For the purposes of this Act a person plays a game of chance for a prize— (a) if he plays a game of chance and thereby acquires a chance of winning a prize, and (b) whether or not he risks losing anything at the game. Seems like gambling so far eh? Ah, but here is the loophole: (5) In this Act “prize” in relation to gaming (except in the context of a gaming machine)— (a) means money or money’s worth, and (b) includes both a prize provided by a person organising gaming and winnings of money staked. You see, Jagex will claim the items won have no real world value and are therefore not a "prize" in accordance with law. -----Source: 2005 UK Gaming act pdf (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/pdfs/ukpga_20050019_en.pdf) [spoiler=Stats:]Updated December 22, 2011: Total level - 1442 - 170M+ XP , Combat level - 115Combat skills: Attack - 90, Defence - 99 (24.45m+ XP), Strength - 90, Constitution - 99 (16.42M+ XP) Ranged - 99 (13.32M+ XP), Prayer - 60, Magic - 99 (13.25M+ XP)Non-Combat skills: Cooking - 99 (13.80M+ XP), Woodcutting - 99 (31.95M+ XP), Fishing - 90, Firemaking - 99 (24.82M+), Crafting - 90, Smithing - 90, Mining - 85, Runecrafting - 60, Dungeoneering - 85
April 12, 201214 yr New name? How about "Steal A Fortune"?http://forum.tip.it/topic/310102-tipit-times-8th-april-2012/ I named my article Steal of Fortune :D Former Leader of The Tal Shiar Alliance - An Original Tip.it ClanMember of the Wilderness Guardians and Founder of the Silent GuardiansFounder of The Conclave - A Tip.it Clan institutionTip.it Times author (click for all my articles) - When I use the wrong reasons to make the right statement, argue the reason, not the statement.MSSW4 General - Did we kick your ass too?Check us out!==> No seriously, if you like FREE GP, XP and Dung tokens, as well as Community, Opportunity and above all FUN... <==CLICK IT!
April 12, 201214 yr So Jagex claims that they want us to pay for something that's worth nothing? This is so rude... What's your child worth?It's priceless isn't it? Well in that case it doesn't matter if I take it away from you does it? I so hate this theoretical bu llshit Jagex is coming with now.
April 12, 201214 yr I think it's been mentioned already but Jagex is taking the stance that the squeal is a "fun" piece of game content, content which you can opt to pay for or not. Their bottom line is you are paying for the content, not the "contents" of the content. Since it's apparently "fun" then that's what were paying for in their lies eyes - not the benefits (to us, ie. lucky items) of the content. It sounds silly just talking about it. It would be as if you had to pay $20 for 30 barrows runs. (I know, not the best example.) You will always get something, such as racks or runes, with a chance for something better. You would be paying for the content (the barrows minigame) and the rewards of said minigame are an extra perk. It's a bulls**t legitimization, since, for one, SoF is obviously not engaging in the least - to the extent that I couldn't even deem it game content because it sucks that bad. Which is why I can level with how everyone knows in their heart it is basically gambling no matter how Jagex or legislation choose to mince or twist their words. This is completely ignoring the buy-able xp and other points that could be raised. To reiterate many others: the gambling concept, or even the squeal itself doesn't bother me so much as the ultimate deluge of sleaze the current admins/shareholders have released on our game. It is OUR game. Without the society of the players Runescape is a pile of code and data with absolutely no value whatsoever. [/rant] The Fox Returns!
April 13, 201214 yr just because it can't be traded doesn't mean you aren't putting a dollar value on something, unless this thing is not equivalent to an ingame item, like cosmetic items, unless they happen to be too similar to other cosmetic items that are valuable since they've developed the game not to be a microtransaction game for so long, it's open for many kinds of confusing debate
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April 13, 201214 yr I would like to refer to the court case held in Holland which was judged by Supreme Court saying that stealing in Runescape is indeed a crime: http://www.techspot.com/news/47285-dutch-supreme-court-stealing-runescape-gear-is-a-crime.html Also illegal or not, there is a market mechanic that trades real life money for runescape items (gold buying). This makes Runescape items very very tangible.
April 13, 201214 yr I would like to refer to the court case held in Holland which was judged by Supreme Court saying that stealing in Runescape is indeed a crime: http://www.techspot.com/news/47285-dutch-supreme-court-stealing-runescape-gear-is-a-crime.html Also illegal or not, there is a market mechanic that trades real life money for runescape items (gold buying). This makes Runescape items very very tangible. What we consider to have a value and what courts consider to have a value are two different things though. And it might not be enough to just be able to say "these prizes have a value, therefore it's gambling" but it might be necessary to have specific values for each item so you can decide whether it would be a win or a loss. Someone on the RSOF contacted the UK gambling comission about this and they said it was a game of chance, but the items do not count as money or money's worth as you can't sell them. I'm fairly certain the same is the case for german laws (Though I am still waiting on an answer for this one) The netherlands might indeed be the best bet here, seeing as that court already once put a value on virtual items, though I believe it was not specified.
April 13, 201214 yr The netherlands might indeed be the best bet here, seeing as that court already once put a value on virtual items, though I believe it was not specified. It isn't in our law, but I can have a poke around to see if there's an organisation to contact that can clear that up. Tip.It Website Crew Leader[hide=Quotes]I love it how Jafje comes outa nowhere and answers my questionsHehe now we know what real life does...drugs, drugs, more drugs. Thank god we are addicted to something that won't kill us. [/hide]
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