Behind the Scenes: May 2013

[Aiel]

Looks solid to me. I like that free players will get a cheap way of getting those first pray lvls.

Except that it's members only, because apparently jagex wanted to be sure that it would be dead content within a week.

[Ruinous Edge]

best parts of this bts to me is finally giving me access to html5 and NIS, also the God Emissaries (not as good as new quest but lore <3) :D

[aspeeder]

Looks solid to me. I like that free players will get a cheap way of getting those first pray lvls.

Except that it's members only, because apparently jagex wanted to be sure that it would be dead content within a week.

I actually meant to say new instead of free, but yeah that still sucks. Do new people still get two weeks of mems for free? If so this should be the top priority.

[SwreeTak]

Well, this month looks a bit dull. The thing I look forward to the most is probably the God Emissaries. Anyone care to guess which God I will chose to follow? :P

[ilovecuttingyews]

No. There is no free p2p any more.

[Ruinous Edge]

Just a thought for the god emissaries, seren could easily have her own emissary, maybe for the 8th a lower diety emmisary? to cover the desert gods, karamja gods and gods like brassica prime (aka an others category to go along with the godless one for guthix)

[Blutters]

If you know me at all then you'd know the only thing for me is the God Emissaries. Admittedly it certainly sounds interesting but to be honest I'm a bit concerned that they'll pull a typical JaGEx and make the different factions as stereotypical as possible. I really liked some tenants of the gods' representations being left to personal imagination. The best example, and what I'm mainly worried about, is that I've always believed Zamorak represented a personal will to achieve what you want, in spite of anyone else, something of an individualistic value. With this update they'll probably just make him sound like more of an evil prick than they already do. I was hoping with this being the year of the gods they'd shy away from that and blanket everything in a little more ambiguity but the updates so far haven't indicated as much.

 

EDIT

Ok actually it sounds like I'll be able to keepsake Primal Rapiers. Good month!

[Sy_Accursed]

I don't see how you hope to have ambiguity on the gods when they are all coming back to literally walk around in front of us. I also fear you will be sorely disappointed with Zamorak considering we know he doesn't work alone for just his gain, all the lore we have him involves allies and accomplices. Plus we know his core tenants revolve around chaos, not around gaining power. If you want someone about gaining power regardless of others Zaros is a more likely fit being the god of Might and all.

[J35u5_M4]

I wish they would also just finish the bunch of pending quest lines and start working on the recently started ones; the signature heroes ones.

 

I miss having a bunch of quests to do :(.

[Mylez]

No. There is no free p2p any more.

 

I like the way you've colored in the p2p stats on your sig, [sarcasm]+1 Jagex for that genius idea.[/sarcasm]

[Flabberwocky]

FGU is speculating that the God Factions update will actually be the new skill.

 

Not entirely sure about this as the first skill is expected to be a resource skill, but then again resource collection could be a rather vague term. Not holding my breath on this. If it does turn out to be the new skill, it will be purely P2P.

 

[qfc]16-17-500-64952243[/qfc]

 

Quote from Mod Osborne's RuneRadio interview (transcribed text at [qfc]16-17-429-64944778[/qfc])

 

- if new skills have lore to them in similar way to Dungeoneering?: yes and no: it will have lore tied into the thing of the Sixth Age, in the same way as dungeoneering,

 

- the first skill is almost flaming/following on from TWW quest. The events of it will lead of kind of a theme and what you are doing on the skill. It follows directly from the lore.

 

- and the second skill is going to be taking the first skill’s theme even further, on the sense that ‘as I am progressing in the skill, I am also progressing in a story, and there are some connection, maybe milestones in that skill that unlock some more story’ (but that might change in the future);[don’t understand the last part, but think he means that quests might take it further]

 

- these new skills put less difference on the skilling and story ‘modes’ players like to play on

 

I can definitely see the Faction alignment as either being the major precursor to or the actual new skill itself. For one, I don't think they'll announce the new skill in the BTS, they'd probably just drop it on us and yell, "surprise!"

[Blutters]

I don't see how you hope to have ambiguity on the gods when they are all coming back to literally walk around in front of us. I also fear you will be sorely disappointed with Zamorak considering we know he doesn't work alone for just his gain, all the lore we have him involves allies and accomplices. Plus we know his core tenants revolve around chaos, not around gaining power. If you want someone about gaining power regardless of others Zaros is a more likely fit being the god of Might and all.

I fear you've sorely misunderstood everything I said. By ambiguity, I meant that the gods would not be represented as their stereotypes. We've seen a slight hint in this vein by Saradomin's clearly ulterior motives - that he is not purely "good" just because he is law, that "law" as an attribute may be separated from its positive connotation making way for a far more interesting narrative.

As for Zamorak in particular, there would appear an implied focus on the value of the individual, of striving for personal goals (not necessarily only gaining power), but I have no idea why you would take that to mean that one cannot have allies.

As for Zaros... I had thought it confirmed he was to be the god of control. In either case I don't see how it's relevant.

[Hedgehog]

Why do gods need to represent something?

 

They're individuals who have different moral values. The emissaries will just talk about what their gods believe and want, not what they "represent".

[Golvellius]

I was trying to figure what the 8 factions would be.

1. Godless - BTS
    
   
2. Zamorak - BTS
    
   
3. Armadyl - BTS
    
   
4. Saradomin - Obvious
    
   
5. Bandos - Obvious
    
   
6. Zaros - Obvious
   

Seren and Desert Pantheon [sIC] (you can play them on the armies of gielinor, funorb game)

[Sy_Accursed]

I don't see how you hope to have ambiguity on the gods when they are all coming back to literally walk around in front of us. I also fear you will be sorely disappointed with Zamorak considering we know he doesn't work alone for just his gain, all the lore we have him involves allies and accomplices. Plus we know his core tenants revolve around chaos, not around gaining power. If you want someone about gaining power regardless of others Zaros is a more likely fit being the god of Might and all.

I fear you've sorely misunderstood everything I said. By ambiguity, I meant that the gods would not be represented as their stereotypes. We've seen a slight hint in this vein by Saradomin's clearly ulterior motives - that he is not purely "good" just because he is law, that "law" as an attribute may be separated from its positive connotation making way for a far more interesting narrative.

As for Zamorak in particular, there would appear an implied focus on the value of the individual, of striving for personal goals (not necessarily only gaining power), but I have no idea why you would take that to mean that one cannot have allies.

As for Zaros... I had thought it confirmed he was to be the god of control. In either case I don't see how it's relevant.

 

My bad on Zaros, it is control.

Also Saradomin is not the 'good' god or the god of law. His ethos is Order - order has to be created and maintained by force or perceived force at least.

 

I misunderstood what you meant by 'ambiguity' because it was a slight mis-use of the word - if you want them to have more characteristics than their ethos alone that is anything but ambiguous as we have to be shown/told them.

 

@Hedgehog they don't *have* to represent something, but most of the gods thus far have all been given an ethos that they represent that has been created through their attitude and teachings (or implied to be as such)

Saradomin is Order

Armadyl is Justice

Zaros is Control

Zamorak is Chaos

Guthix is Balance

Bandos is sort of odd one out being the 'god of war' as his is less an ethos more a mercenary-nature.

Tumeken and Seren haven't been shown to have any major ethos as of yet, Skargaroth and Tuska have been talked about not particularly being 'gods' in the sense we think of them. Skargaroth is just some who wants to kill powerful beasts, who happens to be a god, and Tuska is a mindless animal that happened to attain godhood.

[JeRambo]

The new skill is time travel! Travel back to Guthix's home world ..

[Ammako]

Keepsaking weapons?

Keepsaking Gorgonite weaponry, anyone? Specifically, rapier and longsword?

[Mylez]

Why Gorg? Cos it looks like Chaotic?

[Estoc]

Why do gods need to represent something?

 

They're individuals who have different moral values. The emissaries will just talk about what their gods believe and want, not what they "represent".

 

[Cheat]

Whats this about keepsaking weapons? I'm too blind to see it in the update text.

[-Kngkyle-]

I hope the experience-in-other-skills-reward from the new farm plots are untradeable, or else all of the skills influenced will (probably) become super-fast 200m buyables as a result.

[Quyneax]

All of these updates sound nice and fairly small. So long as we get good, big updates later on, that's fine. Maybe fixing combat, even.

[Platinum_Myr]

All of these updates sound nice and fairly small. So long as we get good, big updates later on, that's fine. Maybe fixing combat, even.

 

As if Jagex is capable of fixing it given their current history of completely misunderstanding feedback?

 

I'm just hoping for updates to the NIS and HTML5 beta are solid for this month, (which would explain why the month is light on regular content.)

[Troacctid]

Also Saradomin is not the 'good' god or the god of law. His ethos is Order - order has to be created and maintained by force or perceived force at least.

<Saradomin hat>

 

The God Wars are like World War II. Saradomin is the Allies. Zamorak is the Nazis.

 

Both sides killed a lot of people and a lot of civilians. But is that really worse than what the Nazis would have done if they had gone unchecked? Guthix would have you stand by, neutral, and quietly let the Zamorakians perform their atrocities.

 

If you don't want Hitler to win, vote Saradomin!

 

</Saradomin hat>

[Hedgehog]

All of these updates sound nice and fairly small. So long as we get good, big updates later on, that's fine. Maybe fixing combat, even.

 

As if Jagex is capable of fixing it given their current history of completely misunderstanding feedback?

 

I'm just hoping for updates to the NIS and HTML5 beta are solid for this month, (which would explain why the month is light on regular content.)

I don't think they misunderstand feedback so much as they don't listen to the best feedback.

 

@π

 

Guthix wouldn't stand by. He'd allow what destruction was necessary to maintain balance.