Time for rares to go

[gifted22yeah]

There is no solution, for there never was a problem.

 

If you say the solution is to remove rares someway somehow somewhat, then I say rares are the solution to the economy of Runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Enough said. Adapted from Xm3. :P

[mmomeet]

I was not here for the original drops, nor have I earned enough money to buy any.

 

 

 

I guessed that before I even opened the post. You're a jealous noob who can't accept that some people have better stuff than them. Instead of trying to stop everyone else having something you don't.... go earn some cash and buy one for yourself.

[thrash-boy]

im with you

 

the only problem is that people will complain, so i have a few solutions:

 

 

 

first, have a shop that will buy all rares for 200k over there current market value (the value when they put the update in) but wont sell rares. make a person anyone that has had the account long enough can talk to and receive a untradable version of the rares they had the account created when they were dropped.

 

 

 

several weeks later just remove all tradable rares form the market

[Satenza]

Paul, this was an actual thread without flames before you started insulting peoples spelling. Thats a direct sign that your out of things to say. Read dukes article that he posted, read the figures he gave. There only estimates but there good ones.

 

 

 

Then you will see how much of an influence the rares market affects all markets through RS. Lets not turn this into a 'Look he can't spell!' thread cause thats just pathetic.

 

 

 

If rares were removed like Bloodveld said the next 'rare' item would become the same as them. Dragon armour would skyrocket, rune armour would skyrocket. Your moving inflation from one thing to another and in the end you will have no items left in RS.

 

 

 

Taking away rares is like taking away a Miners rocks, it's a game people are freely allowed to do what they please. Rares are also a sign of wealth and are a kick back to rs1. You can't seriously expect the items that have existed since the, which people are proud of get shut down.

 

 

 

Releasing a store ain't the same thats just allowing everyone to get bunny ears even though they were not there. Stop kicking rs1 in the groin pl0x.

[thrash-boy]

i dont want to kick rs1, rs1 was a great game, but it just kinda disapoints me how they turned into a expensive thing in the first place. they were ment to be a bit of fun to celebrate christmas/easter or whatever. i surpose theres nothing you can do now though :-(

[jimbob9999]

If you think rares should go because they're too expensive, think of the effects first.

 

 

 

Rares are removed from the game/made very cheap, many players who worked hard (many of these being high levels) quit as a result.

 

 

 

Many more players stop working hard to earn rares, large decrease in the amount of high alkers, barrowers etc as they already have a barrow set or whatever and now have nothing to aim for.

 

 

 

With the combination of high level players quitting who would go to the barrows, and the decreas in players who would still be playing now not going to barrows there are much less barrows pieces coming into the game.

 

 

 

Now, barrow spieces go up in price hugely.

 

 

 

This will happen with many things, now think about it, what would you rather was way overpriced, some equipment that will help you largely, or a paperhat which you can use to show off your wealth.

 

 

 

Partyhats are a blessing to the economy, not a curse.

[gamecube10074]

HEY. your last thing. mods that can create items/change their stats, can't trade with anyone.

 

idiot...

 

And if you wait another year, i bet less phats and santas will be around. just let them flow out by accident.

[Gathra]

By the way Paul, would you have had Jagex ban Bluerose for selling Rune 2H for in excess of 2 mil each, at a time when that was probably more then a Blue hat is worth now? Or the first 10 or so folks that got 85 slayer and sold whips for 20mil+? How about those thieves that are selling guthans for 10mil+, more or less currently? Oh yes and these were/are all "rares". Of course R2H is probably more rare now then when she was making them.

 

 

 

Everybody sell your stuff to Paul at the high alch price so he can afford it.

 

PHATs 2gp anyone?

 

 

 

G.

[Kiriyama]

All things discussed before, but none of which will happen.

 

 

 

Without rares I think people wouldn't have anything to aim for. No goals, no play. No play, no revenue. No revenue, no jagex. No jagex, no runescape.

 

 

 

Get it? Rares keep people coming back for more.

 

 

 

dude i am not aiming for a rare i am aiming for doin Legends and a total lvl of 2000+

[darkblade986]

Dude... the market for rares is what keeps the Runescape Economy together. You could say that the Rares in Runescape are like the Gold and Silver backing of the United States Economy - The less there is, the higher other prices will get.

 

 

 

If Rares do disappear, then you might find yourself selling Full Rune one of these days for 1m.

 

 

 

Given, we all feel rares are destroying the market, but there's nothing we can do now. The damage is done, and removing them will destroy the market further to the point of no return.

[Blaze The Movie Fan]

Dude... the market for rares is what keeps the Runescape Economy together. You could say that the Rares in Runescape are like the Gold and Silver backing of the United States Economy - The less there is, the higher other prices will get.

 

 

 

If Rares do disappear, then you might find yourself selling Full Rune one of these days for 1m.

 

 

 

Given, we all feel rares are destroying the market, but there's nothing we can do now. The damage is done, and removing them will destroy the market further to the point of no return.

 

 

 

For me the cents seems to be made out of silver. Or is it just me?

[Dalcyte]

wow...did u reeeally say no loss? lets say this person goes to world 2, purchases a phat and is very happy. The next day, jagex makes rares untradable...that person just lost over 100m and is very upset at jagex. Wow this would kill a lot of people....rares are here to stay and u have to stop thinking that they have to go away. THEY WON"T! Jmods can't trade fyi.

[Nazgul740]

None of those are good solutions... why shouldn't i keep the rare that i work hard to obtain i wasn't there for the origanal drop but i worked my butt of merchanting runes and crafting nats for my rares - I have owned a green mask santa and a pumpkin and i enjoyed them all equally... why shouldn't i be able to keep my rares and who are you to say they should go...

 

 

 

Nobody would complain if there was a shop so they could go buy another rare..

 

 

 

Idiot you don't think someone who payed 300 mill for a blue phat isn't going to mind god you are insane :roll:

[Samittaja]

Am I the only one who thinks this guy just came up with 4 [developmentally delayed]ed solutions for the rares to go down without stating a reason why they should be getting rid off in the first place?

[daver]

First of all, I have been playing for less than a year and a half, so I was not here for the original drops, nor have I earned enough money to buy any.

 

 

 

Enough Said.

[emrea]

ive been playing around the same amount of time you have, never had a rare, and also never had the cash top buy one, but i really sdont see the need for them to go. Like you said they play no role and have no real purpose in the game, so why should they been ruled out?. For some players that have a reached a level of what you could call excelence on the game, something like a phat shows off this, just in the same way a a lvl 70 cb shows of a legeends cape

[Aoshi]

it's only a matter of time untill someone finds a new duping method and rares drop back to 100k

[bulch]

I was disscussing the subject with a friend the other day and we both thought that it would be a good idea if current phats where removed and the owner got the equal amount of cash they are worth and then non tradable phats where available to buy at a shop, the only downside is that a few people would complain, don't say its impossible; they managed to change existing ess based on whether the player was a member or not.

 

 

 

Then again emreas' post does make a good point.

[Kariga]

I used all my money (19 mill at the time) and bought a Red mask, now who would see it fun iin my situation if rares would be removed?:(

[Kariga]

(Where is the delete post button,lag made me post twice =( )

[Arcley]

Also, I refuse to believe that rares are the only reason that people play this game.

 

 

 

Denying to accept something that is a fact does not make it untrue.

 

Duke, I used to have respect for you earlier. You made always the most well-thought comments in these topics, but you're really losing it. And people saying that paulhartman got owned by Duke? OMG? "Duke is...I mean, WAS so famous and rich. He has to be correct in everything he says"

 

 

 

You're calling this a fact? That's the most ridiculous argument I've heard about this.

 

 

 

You clearly do not understand economics. The economy for all items that actually have a practical use: killing, healing, defending etc. âââ‰â¬Å would do just fine without rares, maybe even better. Thirdly, I like the game and am trying to make it better.

 

You're not making the economy any better by removing one of the most interesting items in RuneScape.

 

You're calling paper hats interesting? What about the other lesser rares? What's so interesting about a Disc?

 

 

 

A dragon dagger is much more interesting than a rare with no use. You can equip it, poison it, use specials with it, fight with it. I don't see why you would claim otherwise. You can even merchant with them, if that was your point... (Though it's much less unbalanced)

 

 

 

Rares is so small a part of the market on runescape that based on its percentage of the number of transactions, it statistically doesnâââ‰â¢t exist. In other words, the percentage of the market that is based on rares is such a small percentage, that it is indistinguishable from zero. The whole market? Zero market. You, my friend, need a lesson in the Runescape market.

 

 

 

I'm so glad that people who have no clue what they are talking about always say that others don't know what they are saying. :roll:

This is where I can agree with you. The rare market has a meaning. However, it doesn't affect the amount of GP in the economy. Without rares, there would be just as much. It would be just distributed much more evenly. Now the few people who own some are getting major share of it.

 

 

 

Finally, about the whip/phat question, it would be more correct to ask: "Which one would you rather buy if you had the money: A blue partyhat or 80 whips?" The initial question was just like saying, "Do you want 10gp or 1000gp" :roll:

 

 

 

I'm not saying that rares should be removed. But at least try to find good reasons against it. These points were pointless.

[Duke_Freedom]

You made always the most well-thought comments in these topics, but you're really losing it.

 

 

 

Perhaps because this thread is not raising any points at all and the arguing is flawed in various ways? He's arguing that the rares market is of zero importance to the economy, I can't argue with people who believe such ridiculous things... Especially when they basically say that anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion "doesn't know what he's talking about and needs a lesson on economics". :roll:

 

 

 

Also, I refuse to believe that rares are the only reason that people play this game.

 

 

 

Denying to accept something that is a fact does not make it untrue.

 

 

 

You're calling this a fact? That's the most ridiculous argument I've heard about this.

 

 

 

Perhaps I may have misinterpret his post here. I thought he said that he doesn't believe that there are people who play this game solely for rares, which is just not true. Which rereading it now, doesn't seem to be what he ment.

 

 

 

Then again people are talking way too much in extreme's in this topic. No rares are no the whole economy, no they are not totally unimportant either, no they are not what everyone is after and no their not totally unwanted by everyone either.

 

 

 

You're calling paper hats interesting? What about the other lesser rares? What's so interesting about a Disc?

 

 

 

It are items with an interesting (price) behaviour and they are an addition to the game's economy - yes. Anything wrong with that?

[s_dav135]

there are actually plenty of people who play purely because of rares. rares show a sign of achievement. before construction rares were the only thing worth spending 10+millions on. if theres nothin to achieve from the game then wats really the point in playin? just because u dont have the cash to spend on rares doesnt mean that other people cant spend theirs on them

 

 

 

alot of the cash in the game is invested into phats and if they were removed then prices of other (more used stuff) would sky rocket, which would ruin the game far more than u believe rares do. people would now have hundreds of millions and nothin really to spend it on. im sure these people would then be prepared to spend their cash on afew 99's. (im sure people must have already made this FACT clear)

 

 

 

u might complain now, but im sure ud be complainin alot more wen the stuff that u really do need increases in price meanin u need to spend more of ur cash raisin ur skills.

 

 

 

im sure duke knows alot more on the rare subject than any one else in the game. even if he is banned but im sure that no one ever has, an not many people ever will own as many rares as he had :wink:

[WolfhunterXZ]

controversial topic. I like rares, but I don't as well. They're expensive, don't contribute at all to the game. And Jagex NEVER wanted the rares to be what they are today. That's why the stopped making holiday drops untradeable (first thing was bunny ears, dropped in RSC) that's why the rares have then gone UP. Yes, it's nice to show off that you're some rich jackass who can afford that super rare blue party hat. But really, it's not that great just a way to show off. All I have to show off these days is the proof that I started out on RSC (My bunny ears thank you) and I don't want to show off. I play the game, I'm not rude to newbies, I help newbies if I can. I don't go "F**K OFF NOOB!" if a new person comes and asks for help or directions, I tell them, but usually if they're asking for free stuff I'm like "I can't give you any money sorry." I'm not "OMG NOOB GET AWAY FROM ME!!!" like some a-holes are (the ones who have a santa hat or phat) those people should just be silenced. As for rares being good, not really much GOOD to them except the fact you just spent maybe a few days to a month to a year to get all the money you needed to buy the rare. It's an achievement, a way to get money. But really, you could buy armor or food or runes instead of a phat. It wouldn't matter to me if rares were deleted. Anything after bunny ears stays because they aren't tradeable.

[daigotsu]

I'm actually rather enjoying Jagex's laissez-faire approach to removing rares from the game... release an update, with some carefully-placed "bugs." Let the bugs be found and inevitably exploited by others for gain (staking bugs, the Falador Massacre, etc.). Allow the bug abusers to accumulate a small percentage of existing rares, and then... ban the bug abusers without mercy. Kill the accounts dead, additionally banning any "friends" who benefited from the spoils as accessories after the fact. Claim that restoring lost items would be far more trouble than it is worth.

 

 

 

Voila! The game now has a few less rares than it used to. Aside from a pre-RS2 duping incident, there will never be additional copies of these rares, so any which are removed from the game entirely will never be a part of the economy again. Eventually, the supply will wear down to a precious few items traded only among those with the hefty coinage to pay for them.

 

 

 

The real "problem," such as it is, with the RS economy is not the existence of these rares -- they are merely the high-water mark, the leading economic indicator. It is with the existence of a constant stream of cash and raw material supply.

 

 

 

The creation of a money sink -- Construction -- which doubles as a different sort of status symbol will serve to drain some of the economy, at least for a while... but the machine plods on. Fish are fished, logs are chopped, monsters are killed, and items are sold and alched... and the money supply will just grow again.

 

 

 

Jagex has the right idea in finding new ways for the mega-rich to reduce their coffers. Miscellania/Etceteria is now actually a desirable commodity source. Construction has the ability to enhance gameplay in literally dozens of different ways for those committed to it. I personally am interested to see what they will come up with next.

 

 

 

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