Death penalty for Saddam Hussein

[Necromagus]

It will solve absolutely nothing, and means very little for the people of Iraq once the celebrations are over. He will not be held accountable for anything he's done beyond this. And you can count on it that insurgents will be more than happy to avenge their martyr.

[Gattree]

I don't think he deserves to die yet. Although who didn't think he was going to get the death penalty. The trials were a waste of time.

[BlueLancer]

 

I don't think he was evil. The country was in a better state when he was leader than it is now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allow me to strongly disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First up; His chemical weapons use on his own people. He brutally killed innocent civilians by using Mustard gas and Sarin, Tabun and VX (extremely potent nirve gases). He did this to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies and to brutally stamp out any opposition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For info on what exactly it does to people;

 

 

 

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides this, he held an entire nation as hostage for over three decades. He ruled his country with an iron fist. He used his paramilitary police force to ensure he stayed in power. His party was the minority, so he had most of Iraq to handle. His police force could strike at any time and would often use torture. On innocent civilians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He stamped out civil rights, scared people into submission and rule as a classical oppressive dictator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saddam Hussein was a cold, heartless man. He held the country together; but I doubt that the ends justify his evil means.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saddam Hussein was first to be accused for terrorism, links to Al-Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction... None of those were realized. They started digging and digging, his death penalty was for something that happened in the 1980's: The alleged killing of 143 shias in the town of Dujail, to understand why, you should take in account the town was just one of the many which plotted the eventual overthrow of Saddam (who preferred the Sunni minority).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that number, compared to the Tianamen square massacre by the chinese communist party that killed thousands of students protesting for democratic changes in the country? Who got hanged as being responsible for that, who gave a crap in the western countries other than newspapers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who listens to the fact that the current leader of Turkmenistan actively carries out a policy of terrorizing the population and at least 20-30 people are shot every month trying to escape the country?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to radically disagree with the western demonization of Saddam Hussein. He is nothing compared to real dictators, he was able to provide Iraq with extensive social benefits, medical care, jobs, as long as nobody would question his power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a person, I think he might've been insane or corrupted, for example he was mad at his son briefly, he ordered his bodyguards to pour petrol on his collection of sport cars which he had bought him and set them on fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to blame somebody for massacres and human rights violations and invade their countries, look out for the leaders of Syria, North Korea, Turkmenistan, current Egypt, Uganda (which has been known to even test new weaponry on civil population) and Myanmar (executes people daily for treason).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not "siding" with Saddam, I'm saying his "human right violations" have nothing to do with the US being a good guy and handing him over to the Iraqis for judgement. The trial was set up by the United States government.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The judges were appointed by coalition forces, several of Saddam's lawyers have mysteriously disappeared or been murdered. In some of the trial transcripts, when Saddam says something, the audio is cut off for several minutes, he has been denied testification in the middle of his sentence, the judge has been changed several times...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not a fair trial, no matter what the man has done. It's the exact opposite of today's legal standards of Habeas Corpus, which is by definition "legal instrument or writ by means of which detainees can seek release from unlawful imprisonment." In this case, he had no chance to do so because his trial was just theatre; Even if he could prove he hadn't prompted the killings, he'd still been sentenced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The announcement of the execution also nicely comes on the 5th of November, briefly before the US elections.

[00 Quanta]

most people knew that he would get a Death Sentence for what he did, no way in hell that he would get life in prison :wink:

[jimbobjoe]

America Government and there business blows. They invade other places and tell other country what to do. He was the ruler of his country, he should be able to do what ever he wants to. I dont think he should be hanged.

[Gin_and_Tonic]

It was obvious he was going to get death penalty...

 

 

 

Now a' days, even if you have CCTV, or even the bloody President saw a person shoot another, they'd get a trial -.-

[007007008plp]

Muaahahahahahahahahahahaaa yey die saddam!!!!!!!!!!

[issy2]

I don't care what he's done, I would never wish hanging on another living being. Whoever could cause even a murderer that much pain is a bloody hypocrite.

[jak722]

 

 

So, yankees are going to give one more martyr for the parties which are still loyal to Saddam. Hopefully it doesn't run Iraq into even worse condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh yea! An American hypnotized the Iraqi judge into merely thinking that Saddam was an evil dictator. America is like, so evil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But then again, true men act, no?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hohto, there was apparently a US Ambassador in the courtroom right before he was sentanced and he starting complaining about the fairness of it or something and was removed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People in Law are completely impartial. They have to be. They may let their feelings on the matter judge a person, but they MUST dismiss that notion, and if you watch some cases, you can tell they do...I mean really, you see judges dismissing people who do horrible things just on technicalities even though even THEY know they did it. 'Cause they have to. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How many judges and lawyers in that trial have been killed, had their loved ones killed, or simple forced to resign out of fear?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd imagine fear was literally sweating out of that courtroom... :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IMO he shouldn't be killed... I'd rather see him fester in jail because yes, I admit he has done a lot of bad things but this whole mess seems like a farce...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is still a lot of mystery about him that we don't know...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For one thing, we could ask him about his "WMD" programs and his dealings with other countries...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is soo much to learn... But a lot of people seem to just want kill him for a few incidents... What a waste... :notalk:

[Kewl_Sabre]

 

 

I don't think he was evil. The country was in a better state when he was leader than it is now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Allow me to strongly disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First up; His chemical weapons use on his own people. He brutally killed innocent civilians by using Mustard gas and Sarin, Tabun and VX (extremely potent nirve gases). He did this to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies and to brutally stamp out any opposition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For info on what exactly it does to people;

 

 

 

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/18714.htm

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides this, he held an entire nation as hostage for over three decades. He ruled his country with an iron fist. He used his paramilitary police force to ensure he stayed in power. His party was the minority, so he had most of Iraq to handle. His police force could strike at any time and would often use torture. On innocent civilians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He stamped out civil rights, scared people into submission and rule as a classical oppressive dictator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saddam Hussein was a cold, heartless man. He held the country together; but I doubt that the ends justify his evil means.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Saddam Hussein was first to be accused for terrorism, links to Al-Qaeda, weapons of mass destruction... None of those were realized. They started digging and digging, his death penalty was for something that happened in the 1980's: The alleged killing of 143 shias in the town of Dujail, to understand why, you should take in account the town was just one of the many which plotted the eventual overthrow of Saddam (who preferred the Sunni minority).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that number, compared to the Tianamen square massacre by the chinese communist party that killed thousands of students protesting for democratic changes in the country? Who got hanged as being responsible for that, who gave a crap in the western countries other than newspapers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who listens to the fact that the current leader of Turkmenistan actively carries out a policy of terrorizing the population and at least 20-30 people are shot every month trying to escape the country?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to radically disagree with the western demonization of Saddam Hussein. He is nothing compared to real dictators, he was able to provide Iraq with extensive social benefits, medical care, jobs, as long as nobody would question his power.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a person, I think he might've been insane or corrupted, for example he was mad at his son briefly, he ordered his bodyguards to pour petrol on his collection of sport cars which he had bought him and set them on fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to blame somebody for massacres and human rights violations and invade their countries, look out for the leaders of Syria, North Korea, Turkmenistan, current Egypt, Uganda (which has been known to even test new weaponry on civil population) and Myanmar (executes people daily for treason).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not "siding" with Saddam, I'm saying his "human right violations" have nothing to do with the US being a good guy and handing him over to the Iraqis for judgement. The trial was set up by the United States government.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The judges were appointed by coalition forces, several of Saddam's lawyers have mysteriously disappeared or been murdered. In some of the trial transcripts, when Saddam says something, the audio is cut off for several minutes, he has been denied testification in the middle of his sentence, the judge has been changed several times...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not a fair trial, no matter what the man has done. It's the exact opposite of today's legal standards of Habeas Corpus, which is by definition "legal instrument or writ by means of which detainees can seek release from unlawful imprisonment." In this case, he had no chance to do so because his trial was just theatre; Even if he could prove he hadn't prompted the killings, he'd still been sentenced.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The announcement of the execution also nicely comes on the 5th of November, briefly before the US elections.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm afraid, good sir, that you have gravely misinterpretted the point I was making.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I simply wanted to make the point that Saddam Hussein was an evil man. This is true, and to deny it would be ludicris. I think you took this to mean that I supported the war in Iraq or thought that the system was perfect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None of that would be true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reasons for war would be a different debate, and it would belong on another thread. However, I just want to make it clear that I agree with every single one of your points.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There have been many, many questions raised over this trial. Accusations of human rights violations, corruption and convenient political timing should definetely be looked into. I'm glad that some kind of judgement was dealt out, but I would heavily question where it's coming from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And one more thing...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America Government and there business blows. They invade other places and tell other country what to do. He was the ruler of his country, he should be able to do what ever he wants to. I dont think he should be hanged.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you're not suggesting that because he's a dictator, he should be allowed to do whatever he wants? He was definetely not the worst dictator in history, but he was an evil man nontheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the debate about hanging - well, we let them make their own laws. Do we have a right to enforce our own definitions of cruel and unusual punishment on another country's constitution? It's an interesting moral question.

[knives669]

About time. I knew he would get it all along.

[mikeb912]

Saddam is an evil S O a B and he should have been sentenced faster than he was.

[Poopingman]

For what hes done he should be drawn and quartered :evil:

[opu]

He deserves to be buryed alive! Bastard

[Harrington]

I bet they never get to hang him.... our messed up "Justice" systems mean he'll be allowed to appeal over an over and over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It'll be so drawn out, that we'll eventually forget about him while he lives out his life in comparitive luxury in some 5 star jail somewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's Justice for you... I mean, it took 2 years to find him guilty lol, yet the evidence was completely overwhelming.

[jackalope14]

I bet they never get to hang him.... our messed up "Justice" systems mean he'll be allowed to appeal over an over and over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It'll be so drawn out, that we'll eventually forget about him while he lives out his life in comparitive luxury in some 5 star jail somewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, everyone is just going to forget him :roll:

[Zonorhc]

 

 

 

So, yankees are going to give one more martyr for the parties which are still loyal to Saddam. Hopefully it doesn't run Iraq into even worse condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the US' fault for what the Iraqi judge sentenced Saddam?

 

 

 

It's always America's fault!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone on the interweb should know that by now! Otherwise you're a dirty fascist pigdog!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not completely agree with the War in Iraq, but someone had to stop him, and if the rest of the world won't help at least we had the balls to stand up and stop the genocide. You say it is our fault. I'd be happy to take the blame of freeing a country from a horrible and evil ruler.

 

 

 

No, you miss the point. Everything is America's fault. They burned London. They were behind the Gunpowder Plot. They backed the Visigoths who sacked Rome. They looted Constantinople. They made the zealots commit mass suicide at Masada. Did I mention they were also responsible for the Hindenburg disaster? Oh yeah, and that they caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

[Google90]

--edit--

[Buckeyemange]

 

 

 

 

So, yankees are going to give one more martyr for the parties which are still loyal to Saddam. Hopefully it doesn't run Iraq into even worse condition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's the US' fault for what the Iraqi judge sentenced Saddam?

 

 

 

It's always America's fault!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone on the interweb should know that by now! Otherwise you're a dirty fascist pigdog!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not completely agree with the War in Iraq, but someone had to stop him, and if the rest of the world won't help at least we had the balls to stand up and stop the genocide. You say it is our fault. I'd be happy to take the blame of freeing a country from a horrible and evil ruler.

 

 

 

No, you miss the point. Everything is America's fault. They burned London. They were behind the Gunpowder Plot. They backed the Visigoths who sacked Rome. They looted Constantinople. They made the zealots commit mass suicide at Masada. Did I mention they were also responsible for the Hindenburg disaster? Oh yeah, and that they caused the extinction of the dinosaurs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Duh, who didn't know that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But really, for him, no punisment is harsh enough...

[MasterMarduk]

The judge was probably under the influence from America, there are hundreds of thousands american troops in his country afterall. If he had acquitted Saddam it would look terrible for the American government. Looking as if they had gone to war for no reason (there fall back from WMD's was Saddam was evil). You Americans :lol:, don't believe everything you see on t.v. Just because CNN said he was evil doesn't mean their word is gospel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol Idk what news u watch? maybe somthing outta the JNN? all jehad all the time? Saddam wasnt a nice man, he wasnt a humanitarian, he was a pain in the worlds collective [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would have liked to see him beheaded personally. I also didnt care about the whole wmd thing. Personally, I think He should have been take out in the gulf war, but he wasnt and so we had to fix that. This worlds a better place with him and his sons gone. Just incase u forgot what else was done under his watch. His sons where horrbile people that got what was coming to them. He knew all about what they did and didnt stop them and I bet he didnt care. That there is evil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I may not be a saint or perfect, and I never said I was. But people like him diserve what they get. Personally id also like to see him give to a mob of people he torchered.

[chigatana]

Although Saddam is obviously an evil man, I don't think he should be put to death. In fact, I don't think anyone should be put to death. Anyway, what they are doing is just turning him into a martyr and strengthening the resolve of the remaining insrgents. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the second one makes you feel better. :-s

[Guest]

I don't think he was evil. The country was in a better state when he was leader than it is now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America Government and there business blows. They invade other places and tell other country what to do. He was the ruler of his country, he should be able to do what ever he wants to. I dont think he should be hanged.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow! I've never seen such intelligence, in a single thread before! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@caligula101 You're an idiot. Do you even know about the atrocities he committed back when he was in power. Such as when he gassed his own people up in the north of Iraq, let alone all the other awful stuff he did, which I couldn't even be bothered getting into detail about after such a comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Jimbobjoe (Hypothetically) So if I were the ruler of my country would that give me permission to start to drop nuclear bombs on another country or cause the deaths of millions of individuals in my country or around the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hitler was the ruler of his country. Does that justify his actions? So is Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe President) does that also justify his actions concerning his country?

[transcript80]

On topic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. I don't think anyone deserves the capital punishment, I think it is wrong in the first place. I suggest putting hin back into the dark hole they found him in, lock it and throw away the key. No luxury life in jail, harsh consitions are justified. Death is too mild anyway, especially by the firing sqaud. It would also turn him into a martyr for the few that still support him.

[PhaperPlane]

The way I see it, its a smart move. How you may ask? If he gets sent to jail, the people who do follow him will over throw the goverment and ask for his release, thus causing even more trouble than before. This could be one of George's "New" tactics on to keep peace in Iraq. But what worries me is that, will anyone try to stop the Hanging? This could cause alot of trouble. They best be prepared.

[Barihawk]

On topic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. I don't think anyone deserves the capital punishment, I think it is wrong in the first place. I suggest putting hin back into the dark hole they found him in, lock it and throw away the key. No luxury life in jail, harsh consitions are justified. Death is too mild anyway, especially by the firing sqaud. It would also turn him into a martyr for the few that still support him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You would still be executing him, just by starvation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, he can not be sent to Leavenworth, but there is not much you can do to punish him. It's an Iraqi matter for the Iraqis to decide. I just hope that it doesn't cause too many deaths in the long run.