Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?

[Kilo]

I think my two cents on homosexuality is different than most if not all other Christians. We Christians, ussually think we're better than everyone else, (but we're not, of course) and I think a lot of misconceptions about Christianity are protrayed by all the "Christians" in the public eye who portray their own veiws rather than the Bible's.

 

 

 

I believe that homosexuality is a choice, but it's ussually never a picked choice, most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, their sin isn't any worse than what I've done, but the choice to continue in that sin is what's not right. I don't hate anyone for being gay, but I can't aggree with their life choice, mostly because it's hurting them in the long run. Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than straight people, whether this results from public harrassment and abuse I'm not sure, these are just the statistics.

[Wisp]

Ive said it before, and will say it again.

 

 

 

It is neither wrong nor right, it just is. Saying it is right is saying being heterosexual is wrong, and it is not wrong, and thus, it just is.

[Wisp]

I think my two cents on homosexuality is different than most if not all other Christians. We Christians, ussually think we're better than everyone else, (but we're not, of course) and I think a lot of misconceptions about Christianity are protrayed by all the "Christians" in the public eye who portray their own veiws rather than the Bible's.

 

 

 

I believe that homosexuality is a choice, but it's ussually never a picked choice, most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, their sin isn't any worse than what I've done, but the choice to continue in that sin is what's not right. I don't hate anyone for being gay, but I can't aggree with their life choice, mostly because it's hurting them in the long run. Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than straight people, whether this results from public harrassment and abuse I'm not sure, these are just the statistics.

 

 

 

Sorry for double post, but I felt like quoting.

 

mostly because it's hurting them in the long run

 

How so.

 

Wouldn't it hurt them more in the long run if they lead a life they did not feel comfortable with, and married a women, and there was no love, which would eventually lead to a divorce, skrewing up their life, and hers, and their kids, and leaving them worse off then before.

 

If they have a higher rate of suicide, it is almost definitely from public harassment, which means it is not their fault, as the harassment is usually unfounded.

 

 

 

most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature

 

This stood out.

 

I doubt that any of that has proof backing it, what proof is their that because they were abused as a kid or something made them gay?

 

And what makes someone who is 'flamboyantly gay" perverse? The flamboyant ones, if i get what you mean, tend to have closer brains to females, while the more masculine partner has a brain more like a man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, the only argument against it is really religion, and more directly the bible.

 

I don't believe anyone knows who wrote the bible, how do we know they weren't making fun of the religion and making a satire, and that's all the bible was, and obviously god didn't write it, so who did?

 

They could of put anything in it, from their point of view that fit their view of the religion, and in the end, christians aren't following a god, merely who wrote the bible.

[Sumpta]

I believe that homosexuality is a choice, but it's ussually never a picked choice, most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, their sin isn't any worse than what I've done, but the choice to continue in that sin is what's not right. I don't hate anyone for being gay, but I can't aggree with their life choice, mostly because it's hurting them in the long run. Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than straight people, whether this results from public harrassment and abuse I'm not sure, these are just the statistics.

 

 

 

:wall:

 

 

 

1) There are plenty of homosexuals who had a great childhood. The psychological problems they may have had, came from having to listen to people with your opinion, making them feel bad and guilty about themselves and their nature.

 

 

 

2) Flamboyant gays are perverse? Oh, come on. I guess that women who wear flashy skirts above the knee and curl their hair are pretty perverse as well.

 

 

 

3) The choice to continue sin... I'm assuming you are hetero, or gay with a lot of complexes. Now, really, is your sexuality your choice? Do you consciously choose to like the other sex better? Does your body react because you tell your brain to do it? If so, you have a problem. I respect that you're a christian, but don't portray yourself as humble and respectful of others, when your preconceived opinions show that you're all but.

 

 

 

There's this great play and TV-series, Angels in America. It's about gay men in the AIDS-ridden 80's. There's one character, Joe, who has similar opinions as yours and decides being gay is a choice. He chooses to marry a woman, with all the consequences for both him and his wife. Let it be clear that denying your sexuality is a lot more sinful and hurting to you and your loved ones.

[Flodder450]

i dont care,if there homesexual and there happy,just letthem be themselfs

[Ginger_Warrior]

I think my two cents on homosexuality is different than most if not all other Christians. We Christians, ussually think we're better than everyone else, (but we're not, of course) and I think a lot of misconceptions about Christianity are protrayed by all the "Christians" in the public eye who portray their own veiws rather than the Bible's.

 

 

 

I believe that homosexuality is a choice, but it's ussually never a picked choice, most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, their sin isn't any worse than what I've done, but the choice to continue in that sin is what's not right. I don't hate anyone for being gay, but I can't aggree with their life choice, mostly because it's hurting them in the long run. Homosexuals have a much higher rate of suicide than straight people, whether this results from public harrassment and abuse I'm not sure, these are just the statistics.

 

So summed up, your argument is "I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just think gays are worse than me for acting the way they do".

 

 

 

Whatever. See, I'm not anti-religious but this is what annoys me. You believing you're so much better than anyone else because a religion founded 2000 years ago tells you that you are.

 

 

 

What evidence, or even what right, have you got to call homosexuality a sin?

 

 

 

Unless of course what Jesus really meant was, "Love thy neighbour, hate thy gay". In which case, I apologise for my complete misunderstanding of Christianity.

[IGoddessI]

most of people who are homosexual suffer from many psychological problems from their childhood, and most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature.

 

 

 

but I can't aggree with their life choice, mostly because it's hurting them in the long run.

 

 

 

These are quite strong statements and accusations to be made. May I read your sources please, where you've retrieved this psychological information?

 

 

 

1. Please prove to me that most homosexuals suffer from psychological problems.

 

 

 

2. Please prove to me that these problems are in their childhood.

 

 

 

3. Please prove to me that most flamboyant gays are just perverse in nature.

 

 

 

4. Please prove to me that a homosexual hurts themselves by being who they believe to be more than not being who they believe to be.

 

 

 

5. Please specifically give me psychological sources not bible quotes nor any other source.

[BlueLancer]

Homosexuality wasn't introduced until 1949(as so I have heard)...

 

 

 

How can a biological preference be 'introduced', I still don't get some of these points posted. Who introduced it? Was it a big PR conference announcement over a loudspeaker?

 

 

 

Like said above.. It has existed for thousands of years, and it even exists in animals which aren't capable of conscious thought.

 

 

 

The Bible does openly condemn gays (at least the male ones), right now I can't remember if the Talmud or Qur'an have similar verses.

 

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[psvstef]

i dont care,if i dont need to see it or so ;)

 

 

 

if they want to be like that,so be it.

[megakiller32]

Homosexuality wasn't introduced until 1949(as so I have heard)...

 

 

 

How can a biological preference be 'introduced', I still don't get some of these points posted. Who introduced it? Was it a big PR conference announcement over a loudspeaker?

 

 

 

Like said above.. It has existed for thousands of years, and it even exists in animals which aren't capable of conscious thought.

 

 

 

The Bible does openly condemn gays (at least the male ones), right now I can't remember if the Talmud or Qur'an have similar verses.

 

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

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I found on wikipedia, to sum up- In judaism, in ultra-orthodox Judaism, they see it as a sin, however, in other forms such as conservative judaism, they have apparantly done in depth studies since 1990. Also in Orthodox Judaism, it says from Wikipedia:

It is common practise amongst Orthodox Jews to encourage young Jews known to be gay to marry (someone of the opposite sex) in the hope that this will "cure" them. Many Rabbis and community leaders have condemned this as potentially cruel to both spouses.

 

 

Wikipedia states

The official position of the movement is to welcome homosexual Jews into their synagogues, and also campaign against any discrimination in civil law and public society, but also to uphold a ban on homosexual sex as a religious requirement.

 

And finally, it says for the newer forms of Judaism (and in these forms, homosexuals are allowed to become Rabbis or Rabbitzens-

Progressive forms of Judaism, including Reform Judaism and Reconstructionist Judaism in North America and Liberal Judaism in the United Kingdom, view homosexuality to be acceptable on the same basis as heterosexuality. Progressive Jewish authorities believe either that traditional laws against homosexuality are no longer binding or that they are subject to changes that reflect a new understanding of human sexuality

 

Either way, homosexual and lesbian forms of sex arent allowed.

 

 

 

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In the Quaran, they probably dont allow homosexuality in any forms, because under Sharia Law, and in all the muslim countries which abide by Sharia Law, you are Stoned to Death, but lesbians are allowed to be lesbians, probably because of the male supremacy in the Sharia Law countries. For those who want it, the wikipedia link for Religion Vs Homosexuality is here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality

[warren211]

I'm a Catholic. So just the way I was raised, I think homosexuality is wrong. HOWEVER Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I think anti-gay crusades and "god hates [bleep]s" signs are pointless and give christians a bad name. God loves you no matter what, he just doesn't always agree with the choices we make, but he is willing to welcome you back with open arms if you admit you're a sinner. So the argument that God hates a person because of a bad choice (or having bad impulses if you believe homosexuality isn't a choice) is wrong. because in our beliefs, we should stress forgiveness.

 

 

 

So to conclude: I think being gay is wrong, but I'm not going to crusade against anyone for it. and anyone who does organize such gatherings *cough* westboro baptist church *cough* is just as much of a sinner. But again, I'm not going to force my beliefs upon people here who are unwilling to agree that being gay is sinful.

[Ginger_Warrior]

^ That's a weak argument. Thinking something just because that's what you've been told. Have you actually ever questioned the validity of your parents'/religion's opinion on homosexuality?

 

 

 

I've always been taught by my Dad that Communism is the best form of social structure. I don't agree with him though, having gone away, researched Communism and spotted flaws which lead me to believe he's wrong.

 

 

 

OK, I'm still pretty far-left in terms of my politics, but I don't follow everything I've been told to believe in blindly. I have my own moral principles. That's half of what growing up is about - questioning authority.

 

 

 

I'm not forcing my beliefs on you, but I am genuinely curious - what is wrong with a man feeling an emotional attraction to another man, or a woman feeling the same way about another woman?

 

 

 

"Because God didn't intend for things to happen that way... Adam and Eve (blah blah blah)" isn't an argument. It has no evidence, and is therefore baseless.

[Millard]

I don't understand some of the people posting in this thread...

 

 

 

The OP asked whether people think homosexuality is right or wrong. And then people who obviously feel a different way to them go about disecting each others post to prove them they are wrong etc. Why don't you just accept peoples opinions and move on with it even if you don't agree?

[Lateralus]

I don't understand some of the people posting in this thread...

 

 

 

The OP asked whether people think homosexuality is right or wrong. And then people who obviously feel a different way to them go about disecting each others post to prove them they are wrong etc. Why don't you just accept peoples opinions and move on with it even if you don't agree?

 

 

 

What kind of conversation/debate would that be? The interesting thing about talking to people isn't hearing their views, it's having them explained. Anyway, in this case it's easy to poke holes in an anti-gay persons argument.

[Tom_Servo]

Personally, I don't really approve of people being homosexual. But don't get me wrong, I don't hate them or anything. All I ask is that they don't rub it in my face and I couldn't care less. It's not my choice to make and it's not my fight to fight.

[BlueLancer]

I don't understand some of the people posting in this thread...

 

 

 

The OP asked whether people think homosexuality is right or wrong. And then people who obviously feel a different way to them go about disecting each others post to prove them they are wrong etc. Why don't you just accept peoples opinions and move on with it even if you don't agree?

 

 

 

Because discrimination based on factors a human can't control (sexuality, skin color, mental capacity, genetics, height, etc.) is repugnant and illogical.

 

 

 

By your logic, everyone should've just accepted the nazi's opinions that Hitler is correct in everything he says and does against the jews, because "you have to accept his opinion even if you don't agree"?

 

 

 

The entire point of debate is pointing out possible ridiculous false beliefs that don't make sense. If nobody challenged Hitler's discrimination against jews, handicaps, gays, etc... It would've meant death to hundreds of thousands more innocent people.

 

 

 

Why do you think there are TV campaigns for "stop racism", but none for "racism is ok"? Because it's a ridiculous belief to support racism. It would be directly banned from even airing on TV. Some opinions are by definition wrong, and it reflects in society.

 

 

 

Discrimination is wrong because the victim can't 'change' the qualities he's assumed to be 'bad' for. For example an employer can discriminate based on skill and experience. Those are qualities that can be gained over time. An employer can't discriminate based on race or he can ultimately face jail time/hefty fines and penalties in many western societies.

[limpbizkit]

I'm a Catholic. So just the way I was raised, I think homosexuality is wrong. HOWEVER Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I think anti-gay crusades and "god hates [bleep]s" signs are pointless and give christians a bad name. God loves you no matter what, he just doesn't always agree with the choices we make, but he is willing to welcome you back with open arms if you admit you're a sinner. So the argument that God hates a person because of a bad choice (or having bad impulses if you believe homosexuality isn't a choice) is wrong. because in our beliefs, we should stress forgiveness.

 

 

 

So to conclude: I think being gay is wrong, but I'm not going to crusade against anyone for it. and anyone who does organize such gatherings *cough* westboro baptist church *cough* is just as much of a sinner. But again, I'm not going to force my beliefs upon people here who are unwilling to agree that being gay is sinful.

 

 

 

 

 

Its not sinful.

 

Look when the bible was wrote .. times have changed since then ask a lot of Christians/catholics and they'll tell you the exact same.

[insane]

I'm not forcing my beliefs on you, but I am genuinely curious - what is wrong with a man feeling an emotional attraction to another man, or a woman feeling the same way about another woman?

 

 

 

Just because he can't prove something doesn't mean it's true. That's argument ad ignorantiam. I could ask you to disprove that there's a purple elephant inside the sun, and you'd be unable to... but that's completely irrelevant to the truth.

 

 

 

"Because God didn't intend for things to happen that way... Adam and Eve (blah blah blah)" isn't an argument. It has no evidence, and is therefore baseless.

 

 

 

***It has no scientific evidence, and is therefore baseless if science is your only source of truth.

[INFINTEBAJAN2]

lets give all the homos an island to themselves.no internetz also.half of tif would dissapear

[xcentrik]

Homosexuality: Right or Wrong?.

 

I think Homosexuality isnt normal, but it is acceptable.

[Abyssalwhip]

I don't be around homo people, even if they are really cool. I try not to be shallow and insensitive but I just can't stand the thought that another man is sexually attracted towards me.

 

 

 

 

 

Please, be a little more full of yourself would you? Just because a man is homosexual doesn't mean hes attracted to every single other man, meaning, he may not be attracted to you... It is alright to hang out with someone who is homosexual, don't worry, its not contagious, and they aren't all attracted to you. :roll:

 

 

 

 

How would you know that? You wouldn't be able to know what a gay person was thinking unless you could read minds in which case you should see a doctor.

 

Get your head out of your [wagon], not every girl is attracted to you, which is your logic (well none are but that's not the point).

[Agunimon979]

You have the misconception that I hate gay people for being gay, which I don't. I just don't feel comfortable being around them which is perfectly natural so don't attack me because this is the way I am and you can't change that.

 

I seek relationships with women and not men

 

Gay men seek relationships with me which I do not accept.

 

Go back to /b/, flamebaiter.

[NorthernHero]

You seem to think 'gay people' is some another species or something and it's impossible to know what they are thinking just because they're gay.

 

 

 

I personally see that very flattering, if gay person finds me attractive. It's not like it means you have to have sex with them lol. Tbh it seems like youre not that confident about your sexuality and are afraid you will find a gay guy attractive if you spend too much time with him.

[Agunimon979]

are afraid you will find a gay guy attractive if you spend too much time with him.

 

 

 

Quite the opposite, actually.

[Kiriyama]

Why don't you just get off the Internet Agunimon?

 

 

 

Seriously, not every homosexual you meet will want a relationship with you.

 

 

 

Hell, I'll bet alot of them are just normal people, and you couldn't tell if they were gay or not until they told you/found out.

 

 

 

Don't judge a person by their sexual orientation. But since you do...

 

 

 

Would you happen to also judge people by race/religion?

 

 

 

Now, either accept that homosexuals will not want a relationship with you all the time. Some might, but they'll back off if you tell them you don't want that.

 

 

 

Would you pursue a girl after she rejects you? If you would, then you need some [bleep]ing help.

 

 

 

And anyway, judging by the age you act, you won't really know alot about your sexual orientation. Some homosexuals don't think they are at first, though I'm thinking thats a minority.