I thought it was obvious that this post is like all the others.. An attempt to undermine Jagex' authority, decisions and pretty much their image as a good company.

 

For gods sake the post even mentions WTC 9/11.

 

 

 

I get the impression Queltar have his own agenda towards Jagex, and it might not be so honest-looking as he would like us to think... :-k

 

 

 

Im baffled over one thing though, Queltar; Why do you use google ads on your site which advertise for RWT? (Selling rs gold) Aren't that hypocritical of you? As a site owner it should be fairly easy for you to remove those ads. Please explaine.

Sure, sure, we're talking about a much smaller fanbase here. Some things that can work with a base of 15,000 players won't work with a base of 5 million. But that doesn't mean that the game's owners and developers have no alternative but to sit on their hands and grow further and further out of touch with the wants and needs of the very people that keep them in business.

 

 

Exactly. Jagex can have some sort of connection to the players. Or at least READ the suggestion forums, JAGEX?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I thought it was obvious that this post is like all the others.. An attempt to undermine Jagex' authority, decisions and pretty much their image as a good company.

 

For gods sake the post even mentions WTC 9/11.

 

 

 

I get the impression Queltar have his own agenda towards Jagex, and it might not be so honest-looking as he would like us to think... :-k

 

 

 

Im baffled over one thing though, Queltar; Why do you use google ads on your site which advertise for RWT? (Selling rs gold) Aren't that hypocritical of you? As a site owner it should be fairly easy for you to remove those ads. Please explaine.

 

Oh Christ...ads come and go, there are millions of ads not all of them can be blocked. Why can't people understand this?

Oh Christ...ads come and go, there are millions of ads not all of them can be blocked. Why can't people understand this?

 

 

 

Someone with knowledge of this said;

 

 

 

"I have helped run a website with Google adds and know exactly how easy it is to remove unwanted content. All he has to do is log into his AdWords account, Click "Content Exclusions", type the key words,(in this case "runescape") and click "Update". That's it. The whole thing takes less than two minutes."

 

 

 

This is why I want to know why Queltar hasnt done so already.

 

 

 

Not only are those google-ads, which advertise for RS selling sites, still there, but he dont even have a "report bad ad" function on his forum.

 

 

 

Edit; Queltar encourage others to visit his site for tips on how to play runescape safe. Now, how does that look when his ads also encourage the same players to visit (no doubt half of them infected with keyloggers and phising-links) unsafe sites?

Oh Christ...ads come and go, there are millions of ads not all of them can be blocked. Why can't people understand this?

 

 

 

Someone with knowledge of this said;

 

 

 

"I have helped run a website with Google adds and know exactly how easy it is to remove unwanted content. All he has to do is log into his AdWords account, Click "Content Exclusions", type the key words,(in this case "runescape") and click "Update". That's it. The whole thing takes less than two minutes."

 

 

 

This is why I want to know why Queltar hasnt done so already.

 

 

 

Not only are those google-ads, which advertise for RS selling sites, still there, but he dont even have a "report bad ad" function on his forum.

 

Just because he has ads, doesn't mean he has to support them. -.-

 

But hell, I'll just wait until Q arrives and explains to you.

Another fantastic article qeltar!

excellent read.

 

Some of your real-life analogues(and quotations) were great but some of them, like the "Bowling for Columbine" part (America's gun culture), were a abit weak,i also dont agree with your stand about that matter either but thats offtopic i guess.

 

Still, one of the most enjoyable reads i had in along time

 

gr8 work =D>

Sometimes I wonder if these games "upgrades" are actually "downgrades." And sometimes I'm even wondering if Jagex is doing all these intentionally to piss off RS players - to slowly kill the game and force everyone to quit since their new game is scheduled to be launched next year(?). :|

 

 

 

well it is a thought but Jagex would not be guarenteed that the player would join their new game, especially with their frustration at Jagex for ruining RS, they would join other games more likely.

This is a very good article. The only person who raises a valid point (that I can remember, it's taken me two and a half hours to read as I've been reading in add breaks so I might have forgotten something) is Sunli with her point about Qeltar having gold advertising websites on his website, that said, just because Qeltar has these websites advertised (not that I agree with advertising them) doesn't mean he actively supports them. Fook-a-ji, you haven't thought out most of your arguments and the comment somebody made about rewriting your signature seems quite appropriate.

 

For those who are complaining about the analogy of the events of September 11 and gun violence, you need to see that he isn't comparing those events but rather the reactions to them from government. He hasn't trivialised the events or the soldiers who have died in the war on terror, they are the example because it proves his point and because they are well known events meaning that they don't need to be explained (gun licensing was, but is more complicated so needed it).

 

Edit: Just rembered, we don't own Jagex and can't force them to do anything, but it is everybodys best interests if they listen to the feedback that they are getting about this update and act on it. People aren't whining, there are many well thought out arguments (such as this one) as to why they should change the staking system. Many people are threatening to quit, some people think this is an empty threat, the same as when any update is released, I believe it is different; people have lost the things their account was dedicated to, they've been ripped off and have no real reason to play any longer. Even without these dedicated stakers, 80% of people voted saying they go to the duel arena and many would stake, they are also annoyed at this update which doesn't stop real world item trading.

I get the impression Queltar have his own agenda towards Jagex, and it might not be so honest-looking as he would like us to think... :-k

 

I get the same impression as well.... I don't know what Queltar's real intentions are, so I won't say anything more about this, but I'd like to point out something. His guides put aside, everything that Queltar writes consists of critics made to Jagex. Constructive criticism is good and I'm rejoiced everytime I see someone arguing their point of view and providing potential solutions instead of the huge quantity of usual rants.

 

 

 

But... Queltar, you should know that critics are much better received when they are accompanied by positive feedback too. If your aim is to make the guys at Jagex read your essais and really take into account your suggestions, you should add some praises in there as well. Surely they do good things from time to time, don't they? I like the points raised by your posts a lot (even if sometimes I don't agree with your point of view). But now, when I see a new essai written by you, I already know you'll criticize them. It gets boring after a while and you're starting to lose a faithful reader. That's not good if you're trying to get your messages to pass through all the way to Jagex...

 

 

 

Im baffled over one thing though, Queltar; Why do you use google ads on your site which advertise for RWT? (Selling rs gold) Aren't that hypocritical of you? As a site owner it should be fairly easy for you to remove those ads. Please explaine.

 

I'm quite curious about what his explanation will be as well... I hope he'll not ignore this question

 

I thought it was obvious that this post is like all the others.. An attempt to undermine Jagex' authority, decisions and pretty much their image as a good company.

 

For gods sake the post even mentions WTC 9/11.

 

 

 

I get the impression Queltar have his own agenda towards Jagex, and it might not be so honest-looking as he would like us to think... :-k

 

 

 

Im baffled over one thing though, Queltar; Why do you use google ads on your site which advertise for RWT? (Selling rs gold) Aren't that hypocritical of you? As a site owner it should be fairly easy for you to remove those ads. Please explaine.

 

 

 

This is copy/pasted from his site:

 

 

 

The advertisements that you see on the various pages of information of this site are the way that I generate a small amount of revenue from TruthScape. This money, which I assure you is not much, is used to offset the costs of running TruthScape, and provide a small, meager amount of compensation to me for the hundreds of hours I put into writing content and running the site as a whole. By viewing and clicking ads that you feel are relevant or useful, you help support TruthScape and enable its continued growth and improvement.

 

 

 

You may occasionally encounter ads that seem inappropriate, such as adverts for companies selling RuneScape gold or offering "cheat codes" or whatnot. Please rest assured that I do not condone cheating or breaking Jagex's rules in any way, and I strongly urge you not to purchase such products, even if you feel "curious" enough to look at the sites that offer them. Don't risk getting scammed, hacked or being banned!

 

 

 

Please understand that all ads are dynamically generated by ad companies, typically based on keywords that are found in the text of each page. I do not approve of specific ads, nor do I have much control over what shows up in the ad rotation. I do try to block inappropriate advertisers when I see them, but there are so many companies that it's nearly impossible to get them all.

 

 

 

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

Having a website costs money. Qeltar probaraly uses the google ads to pay for it. Lay off him

TBH

 

Jagex should invest in a botnet and smerf gold farmers websites.

Thanks, tryto.

 

 

 

As a reminder, this thread is about the issues raised in my article, and not about me.

I don't know why it is that this debate go on so much without touching AT ALL on the real underlying point of the change. Can we cut through everything and get to the point?

 

 

 

Good staker accounts are bad money making accounts, but they require millions of gp with which to stake. They are getting it somewhere, and it is not a stretch to assume that more than a few are doing in it in some way that is inconsistent with the rules and spirit of the game.

 

 

 

The update very much directly goes after RWT, as well as drop trading, by eliminating the need to get those large sums of gp onto a specialized account that is used for one purpose.

 

 

 

The underlying problem is, and has been, massive amounts of gold being held by characters that could not have possibly EARNED those amounts, whether they are stakers, pures, mules, or other secondary characters made by players. These are the kind of characters that drive RWT among experienced players.

 

 

 

If the stakers don't need millions to compete, they won't go around using nefarious means to aquire that wealth.

I don't know why it is that this debate go on so much without touching AT ALL on the real underlying point of the change. Can we cut through everything and get to the point?

 

 

 

Good staker accounts are bad money making accounts, but they require millions of gp with which to stake. They are getting it somewhere, and it is not a stretch to assume that more than a few are doing in it in some way that is inconsistent with the rules and spirit of the game.

 

 

 

The update very much directly goes after RWT, as well as drop trading, by eliminating the need to get those large sums of gp onto a specialized account that is used for one purpose.

 

 

 

The underlying problem is, and has been, massive amounts of gold being held by characters that could not have possibly EARNED those amounts, whether they are stakers, pures, mules, or other secondary characters made by players. These are the kind of characters that drive RWT among experienced players.

 

 

 

If the stakers don't need millions to compete, they won't go around using nefarious means to aquire that wealth.

 

 

 

An interesting perspective, but there are of course legitimate stakers like me who just say 'hey, i've made a bomb from hunting, fletch and mage, why don't i multiply it?'. It would seem abit extreme if Jagex tried to stop ppl becoming wealthy so they can't RWIT.

 

I think the main reason is to get rid of RWIT's but they are doing it the wrong way, and upsetting customers by doing it like that.

 

 

 

But.

 

Is it rational that a level 50 has more money than someone level 99 smithing who worked for it?

 

Is it rational that a level 50 has BILLIONS worth in items, gained in few months, when someone else playing the exact same game for longer has practically nothing, seeing as the person wanted to .. hmm lets just say construct, or do smithing.

 

 

 

 

that is not imbalanced and don't pull a its just a game either. I'm only 19 and i have more money then my parents because i used eBay to my advantage. Is that unfair? shall god come down and smite me for using something to my advantage? They used what they had to create a quick way to make cash. Like merchanters.

 

 

 

But the way your talking im betting you don't like merchanters either :roll:

 

 

 

sorry if im a little incoherent just woke up

Great article! :thumbsup: You really amaze me with your articles :D

 

 

 

(And Dune is great :D I love the quotes from it :))

 

 

 

Best solution for the staking problem: make it so only people within 10 Combat levels of each other are able to stake.

See, the changes to the dueling arena extended far beyond just ruining the most lucrative method of making money. The economy suffered (the novelty items in particular), and moreover, it destroyed many, MANY peoples' trust in Jagex. Two weeks ago, if someone had said Jagex would remove trading from the game, that person would've been laughed at. Now, people just hang their heads and mumble tensely at the possibility of it actually coming to fruition. That speaks VOLUMES about Jagex. They shattered the faith of their customer base, which is damning in the world of economics. The have instilled a certain degree of fearfulness in their customers... I know of at least two highly seasoned veterans (people who have played RuneScape since 2001, the beginning) who have quit because they were afraid of how far Jagex would go next.

On the RSOF, a Jagex mod just said that he was "all for the update as staking was not intend to be a massive money earner."

 

 

 

:roll:

A nice and intresting read. Thanks for writing this whole thing.

This needs a bump in light of today's, uh, "events". :(

This needs a bump in light of today's, uh, "events". :(

 

Agreed. You might as well edit the post, for they have used the TNT.

This needs a bump in light of today's, uh, "events". :(

 

Agreed. You might as well edit the post, for they have used the TNT.

 

 

 

BOOM!!

 

 

 

The Runescape world is going to be knocked off of its feet for a few weeks, if not months, because of the past months 'events'. I hope it recovers enough to still be fun.

All I have to say is

 

OMG =D>