The Fall of Jagex

[remington]

If people are quitting over this then they should really play WoW (perish the thought)as the true ,for the lack of a better word,fans of jagex will see this out and enjoy a better(?)Future of Runescape!

 

 

 

I can't believe all these players that keep talking about WOW.

 

 

 

If you're seriously leaving runescape because there's no more loot drops in the wild then you're in for a SHOCK in WOW.

 

 

 

There is NO loot drops at ALL in WOW.

 

 

 

If you kill a player you get the satisfaction of the kill. That's it.

 

 

 

If you played RS for PKing only you'll have to know that in WOW you WILL be FORCED to play verses monsters to get the "uber" drops needed to be viable in PVP.

 

 

 

Once these items are used they are bound to YOU. No getting a great item, using it for a while and selling it. It's YOUR'S.

 

 

 

Runescape has changed, but don't think WOW is a panacea for you just because it's number one.

[hatebringer]

I still see A LOT of players playing.

 

 

 

Who says they're falling?

 

 

 

+1 they were over 200k people on yesterday, so idk what your saying. Most of the people who said they were gonna quit probably got bored already and came back. I didn't like the updates as well, but i still play.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

About 230,000 players were online this past Saturday, which is only 20,000 shy of its previous record of 250K.

 

 

 

Dead? Maybe in your eyes. Perhaps you shouldn't be wearing the blindfold while running through a forest, eh?

[WolfhunterXZ]

October 2nd, 2007 - Items sold at shops become infinite, causing a significant price drop.

 

So? That's bad?

 

 

 

 

 

October 16, 2007 - Jagex implements Lootshare, meaning that getting good items requires much less time and effort.

 

It still takes the same amount of effort, but the loot is shared, Jagex is hopefully going to fix this to work in a fair and better way.

 

 

 

 

 

November 5th, 2007 - Request Assisance is introduced, causing players of all skill levels to get expensive equipment.

 

Almost all players, it depends on if they can find someone willing to give a low level player stuff, at which point they probably wasted a lot of time finding the materials to even make the stuff they want made from someone else. Your point? I don't see this as bad.

 

 

 

 

 

November 20th, 2007 - Jagex changes the duel arena to limit your earnings to 12,000 GP per hour, causing many members to quit.

 

So what? It doesn't really matter, they abolished another way of RWT'ng and in the process took out idiot stakers who make money easily.

 

 

 

 

 

November 26, 2007 - The Grand Exchange is released, ruining merchanting is dead, and prices on all items plummet.

 

merchanting is NOT dead! you're an idiot! You can even merchant on the GE! Not to mention, I see World's 1 & 2 constantly FULL STILL meaning they're still being used to buy things!

 

 

 

 

 

And on December 10th, 2007, a day which will live in infamy, Jagex put the final nail in the coffin. It abolished PKing, one of Runescape's main activities, causing thousands to quit. It made the duel arena available to free players, as well as bank space, leaving much less reason to become a member.

 

Main activities? I doubt that, really I do. It's hardly one of the main activities, and it doesn't even really effect the economy, you hardly broke even when you PKed. So what if like 10,000 people quit? That's under 25% of players who play on a regular basis, not to mention new people coming in.

 

 

 

Jagex was once a huge, extremely successful corporation. But the saying is true.

 

 

 

The mighty will fall.

 

So how are you figuring that Jagex isn't successful anymore? In my eyes they're still doing quite well, I constantly see 150k+ players on during partial busy hours, you're stupid, really you are. You did not think any of this through did you?

[baalboy5]

F2p dueling arena and more bank space is less reasons to become a member!?. F2p never asked for the duel arena dude, and the debate of just an extra row(or 2 I forget) has been around tipit for A LONG TIME. Don't be bustin on f2p, they deserve what they gotten from jagex that day.

[slickmovedud]

F2p dueling arena and more bank space is less reasons to become a member!?. F2p never asked for the duel arena dude, and the debate of just an extra row(or 2 I forget) has been around tipit for A LONG TIME. Don't be bustin on f2p, they deserve what they gotten from jagex that day.

 

acutally, the day before this update came out, i was in the shower thinking about amking a rs pure, and then wondering if jagex would ever make the duel arena F2P. :wink:

[Omali]

Look at it this way:

 

 

 

They've been saying for a while now that runescape is full of crybabies and autoers. Now that both groups are leaving in droves, maybe we'll be able to put an accurate figure to the name :-w .

[TheRunescapePlayer]

How about the complainers get their underwear out of a knot, and either quit or shut up. It is like two year old babies fighting over a rattle. :XD: :uhh:

[zach312]

There is NO loot drops at ALL in WOW.

 

 

 

If you kill a player you get the satisfaction of the kill. That's it.

 

 

 

If you played RS for PKing only you'll have to know that in WOW you WILL be FORCED to play verses monsters to get the "uber" drops needed to be viable in PVP.

 

 

 

Once these items are used they are bound to YOU. No getting a great item, using it for a while and selling it. It's YOUR'S.

 

 

 

Runescape has changed, but don't think WOW is a panacea for you just because it's number one.

 

 

 

You obviously haven't played much WoW.

 

 

 

First of all, you get honor points when you kill another player, which is used to buy PvP gear.

 

 

 

Secondly, you're not "forced" to do any PvE to get PvP gear - the best PvP gear is gained by actually participating in PvP.

 

 

 

Also, you really wouldn't want to sell any of those items, as you can make much more money from professions.

 

 

 

/owned. Don't try and seem like a smartass when there's people ready and willing to shoot you down. It was done with ease, I might add.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, back on topic. I agree with RS being dead. We've moved on to a game where you really can't do much player-to-player interaction. You can only trade within a certain limit, kill each other in designated areas, and click on whatever catches your fancy. The GE controls (or at least will soon control) the economy, as all prices will be based off of it.

 

 

 

I'll play on my RSC account, luckily I can still log onto it. At least there I can PK in a non-[developmentally delayed]ed way.

[remington]

There is NO loot drops at ALL in WOW.

 

 

 

If you kill a player you get the satisfaction of the kill. That's it.

 

 

 

If you played RS for PKing only you'll have to know that in WOW you WILL be FORCED to play verses monsters to get the "uber" drops needed to be viable in PVP.

 

 

 

Once these items are used they are bound to YOU. No getting a great item, using it for a while and selling it. It's YOUR'S.

 

 

 

Runescape has changed, but don't think WOW is a panacea for you just because it's number one.

 

 

 

You obviously haven't played much WoW.

 

 

 

First of all, you get honor points when you kill another player, which is used to buy PvP gear.

 

 

 

Secondly, you're not "forced" to do any PvE to get PvP gear - the best PvP gear is gained by actually participating in PvP.

 

 

 

Also, you really wouldn't want to sell any of those items, as you can make much more money from professions.

 

 

 

/owned. Don't try and seem like a smartass when there's people ready and willing to shoot you down. It was done with ease, I might add.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, back on topic. I agree with RS being dead. We've moved on to a game where you really can't do much player-to-player interaction. You can only trade within a certain limit, kill each other in designated areas, and click on whatever catches your fancy. The GE controls (or at least will soon control) the economy, as all prices will be based off of it.

 

 

 

I'll play on my RSC account, luckily I can still log onto it. At least there I can PK in a non-[developmentally delayed] way.

 

 

 

As I stated, there are NO drops from killing players in the wild. THAT'S what so many PKers are ASKING for.

 

 

 

As I stated to get GOOD gear to PK you must go on long raids.

 

 

 

I doubt many players are going to be getting ANY PVP points to buy any of the PVP stuff if they show up with none of the raid armour on.

 

 

 

And the PKers here don't WANT to get money doing skills or professions. They want to make it PKing.

 

 

 

What was that about "ease"?

 

 

 

Oh, and good to see another player to can still play classic. Though I don't PK there right now. To busy trying to get my other skills up.

[Harrington]

Runescape is dead? A Quarter of a million gamers tonight... doesn't seem very dead to me.

 

 

 

So far as I can tell, there's been about a 10% drop in players this week and a fair measure of those were likely gold farmers/bots.

 

 

 

Runescape is most certainly alive and kicking. It will now go from strength to strength as one of the rare MMPORGs that has almost completely elminated cheating and RWTs.

[storm39]

Jagex itself won't fall.

 

As for the honest players being screwed by the updates, that's another story...

 

I think that Jagex did a HORRIBLE job of planning the updates. Sure, they delivered a big blow to rwt, which is good, but they delivered a big blow to everyone else.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Those of you who have never PKed before or have before the Wilderness was RUINED, I urge you to try Bounty Hunters and see what we mean when we say PvP is dead.

[kunasako]

The one thing that bothers me the most and that I don't get is if you hate the game so much and cry about all the recent updates and CLAIM to have quit...

 

 

 

Why do you still post on various RS community forums, or SPAM in-game, or participate in all the other apparently hypocritical activities?

 

 

 

If you hate it that much then just leave. Everyone who has stayed doesn't care much for your trash opinions.

 

 

 

:boohoo: The world's smallest violin playing just for you :boohoo:

[Gyroman26]

not much downfall till you see 1k people playing. The people that don't like these new updates just have to live with it.

[Hajutze]

Those of you who have never PKed before or have before the Wilderness was RUINED, I urge you to try Bounty Hunters and see what we mean when we say PvP is dead.

I havent PK and I will never PK eather

 

1 question can you do PvP ? Yes - if you want a random fight go to BH if you want to fight a chosen person ... go to duel arena

 

 

 

PK is Player Killing. PK doesnt meen you win something after you defeat your opponent ... it was just an extra bonus

[ajk822]

I kind of agree that they may fall from these updates. However there are still way too many people who play and are addicted(you know there out there) for Jagex to completely fall. I mean if you weren't going to continue playing why did you create this post.

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

Those of you who have never PKed before or have before the Wilderness was RUINED, I urge you to try Bounty Hunters and see what we mean when we say PvP is dead.

I havent PK and I will never PK eather

 

1 question can you do PvP ? Yes - if you want a random fight go to BH if you want to fight a chosen person ... go to duel arena

 

 

 

PK is Player Killing. PK doesnt meen you win something after you defeat your opponent ... it was just an extra bonus

 

 

 

Again, it is people like you who- those who have never PKed- who cannot possibly understand what was lost when the Wilderness was destroyed. Bounty Hunters is a broken minigame that is not and NEVER WILL BE a substitute for it. I played it for a while on my main (the only account that was feasible for it since it was at the top of the middle of the three completely arbitrary and unbalanced level sections) and got a few kills, but it REQUIRED me to join up with others whom I had no desire to join up with and attack people I had no desire to attack, and on more occasions that I can count I have been backstabbed or piled after I get a kill by the very same people I joined up with. Everyone I attack when I can solo without getting piled insta-prays in a 1v1 (I am proud to say that there are a few exceptions to this). I get enough kills that it isn't a complete waste of money, but I have still burned through over 1k nats, 1k addy arrows, and over 1.8k deaths, not to mention the supporting runes for these. It's usually impossible to kill my bounty target since he's in a group or even in MY OWN group, not to mention he is usually even STRONGER than I am; assuming he does DIE, it is usually NEVER my kill. There's more, but I don't want to bore you with those details. This game is so riddled with flaws that Jagex truly has made Swiss cheese of PvP.

 

 

 

PKing in the Wilderness was once a source of glory and money; it was a testament to one's ability, based on how they raised their skills and chose to fight in battle, to dominate anyone they so chose and take their possessions as the spoils of war. Not anymore. Now it is a measure of your ability to survive against numbers and take advantage of your own team's weaknesses in order to do the most damage and get a kill.

 

 

 

As to dueling- I don't think I need to explain why Dueling in the Arena is different than a true Duel in the Wilderness.

[Fey_Warrior]

Can't really agree on that they will fall since many people still seem to like these updates.

 

 

 

 

Please. they all suck. Only one thing keeps me from quitting.

 

 

 

 

 

Clan wars

 

 

 

I think Clan Wars needs a lot of improvement.

 

 

 

One idea worth sharing is the concept of Clan Wars Hi-Scores.

 

 

 

It's actually seems the next logical step I feel for improvements, though the scoring system could be hard to figure, the basic concept itself is simple & likely to be easy to implement:

 

 

 

* Clan Chat/Channel that wins gains Clan War Hi-Score points & ranking.

 

* Name shown on Hi-Scores is the name of that Clan Chat/Channel.

 

 

 

A multitude of features, rewards and other things could then be gauged from those Hi-Scores, including access to fighting in larger bettered features Members only Clan War areas which clans have dreamed of for many years.

 

 

 

Making it a Members only feature is a good way to entice Jagex into developing something on an epic scale.

 

 

 

I won't name what I've called my suggestion here though.

 

 

 

If Clan PKers feel they've lost large features I feel the time is right to ask for some very big things given Jagex admitted themselves that:

 

We were also aware that the updates may not have been perfect the first time around, or that they may not have functioned as an ideal replacement for what we have changed or taken away. This is not a reason to roll them back or remove them, but it IS a reason to keep improving them until they DO work as a full replacement.

 

* Website News -> 13 December 2007 - A Word About Our Updates

 

 

 

So those of us who feel they're far from perfect yet (I count myself as one of them) should take the next 6 weeks to dream up the best possible improvements. We could fix not only the flaws in what have only been Free-Player updates (including Wilderness Capes), but also make our most elaborate suggestions (from our wildest dreams) for massive new Members' PvPer and Clan features.

 

 

 

As there is unlikely to be any skilling features conflicting with use PvPers can concentrate on suggesting the new types game-play that will makes PvP more fun and a worthwhile part of RuneScape again.

 

 

 

Though this is a sad moment for all who loved the Wildy; with all it's good an bad points; a good tactical advance is now needed to claim the features owing on this debt.

 

 

 

Good luck with your ideas if you wish to stay with us.

[BBC3]

wildy ruined so what, wildy was ruined with the start of rs2.

 

 

 

i remember when everyone was called rs2 products lol.

 

 

 

when rs2 came out and everyone was a meleer and a mager, range was the way to go since it was way overpowered in rs2.

 

 

 

i myself quit for 8 months when rs2 came out since umm.. pking was ruined perhaps..

 

 

 

everyone got used to it since there was no other choice.. see where im going with this yet?

[Returned3]

Just because you fall, dosent mean you cant pick yourself up.

 

True, the recent updates really caused a drop in amount of players BUT, correct me if Im wrong, almost all the "bad guys" of Runescape have fallen into oblivion too.

 

 

 

Take it this way, they sacrificed half of the good stuff to get rid of most of the bad stuff. Give it a few months, things will be better. (Ignore the 3k trade rule happening)

[hbk_hossack]

Lol, it's funny, because the people who say everyone is quitting are the only ones to quit. :-k

[Slayer_Jesse]

This ain't gonna happen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

rofl, that pic made my day \

[alphakoldes]

Lol, it's funny, because the people who say everyone is quitting are the only ones to quit. :-k

 

 

 

1+1 = +2'd!

[Artificial_Doom_Flavor]

wildy ruined so what, wildy was ruined with the start of rs2.

 

 

 

i remember when everyone was called rs2 products lol.

 

 

 

when rs2 came out and everyone was a meleer and a mager, range was the way to go since it was way overpowered in rs2.

 

 

 

i myself quit for 8 months when rs2 came out since umm.. pking was ruined perhaps..

 

 

 

everyone got used to it since there was no other choice.. see where im going with this yet?

 

 

 

This isn't a matter of unbalancing individual combat, this is a matter of destroying individual skill and replacing it with whoever has the most numbers and PC products on their team. Apples and oranges.