I just finished having a conversation with my friend who insists that charging someone to let them borrow an item is immoral. Personally, I think it is simple business practice. It is their item they can do what they want with it, and letting people borrow your item for money gives them the chance to use it without paying full price. He however insists that the item lending system was not meant for that. I still stand by my opinion, but im curious what this community has to say about it.

its fair practice imo. why let someone use your item for free. all it does is encourage people not to buy items and free load. and why lend something out and get nothing in return for it. think of it as renting instead of lending

Thats what i said, but he claims that you'll get the item back anyways, so you shouldn't charge. I claimed that its just like renting a movie. They get it back and they will probably never watch it, but yet you still have to pay. Its a business.

this is where the seize the opportunity comes in. it's understandable that people have to pay for borrowed items. they never got to work for the item, and you're clearly wasting time away from using the item so paying a reasonable amount of cash should be justified.

nope its fine, i finally have a use for my rares :

 

besides it's sorta like leasing, you know test it out, see if you like it then maybe buy.

lol thats stupied as hell, every heard of renting a car? same idea

My friend claims that this is just a game, so it cant be compared to real life. He also says that if a person is just trying out they shouldn't need to pay. I tried all of these arguments with him and he isnt budging. Personally I think he just has a naive way of thinking when it comes to business.

Moral? No. Profitable? Yes. Hell yes. :thumbup:

My friend claims that this is just a game, so it cant be compared to real life. He also says that if a person is just trying out they shouldn't need to pay. I tried all of these arguments with him and he isnt budging. Personally I think he just has a naive way of thinking when it comes to business.

 

 

 

Tell your friend Deloriagod said he's an idiot. He has no understanding of 1) how a real business works and 2) business practices in games can be compared to real life.

Whether or not it is immoral is inconsequential. Simply enough, if an opportunity exists, and both parties are willing to do such, then the question or morality no longer applies.

 

 

 

Besides, it makes sense to me...I loan you my Dragon chain, you pay me X. Seems reasonable enough.

There's a huge value to borrowing an expensive item that you'd normally have to pay for, even for a small amount of time. The fact that you're getting it for free is a bonus. Normally items are lent to friends, and the friendship is the value that covers the lending of the item. I'll gladly lend a rare to a friend, but I'd probably charge people I don't know for the intangible value of parading around with a rare for an extended period of time.

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14-Jul-2008 20:07:36

 

Last edited on 14-Jul-2008 20:08:34 by Mod Poppy

 

 

 

 

 

Surely if people are asking for money for this service, it is trust trading?

 

 

 

There is no guarantee that when you pay someone, they will lend you the item, or the other way around.

 

 

 

As with other trust trades, asking money for this 'service' is against the rules. Item lending was introduced due to the huge number of players upset that they couldn't help out their friends by sharing their cool armour. It certainly isn't intended for high level players to profit from their wealth.

 

 

 

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Doubts cleared?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

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Mod Poppy

 

Jagex Mod

 

 

 

14-Jul-2008 20:07:36

 

Last edited on 14-Jul-2008 20:08:34 by Mod Poppy

 

 

 

 

 

Surely if people are asking for money for this service, it is trust trading?

 

 

 

There is no guarantee that when you pay someone, they will lend you the item, or the other way around.

 

 

 

As with other trust trades, asking money for this 'service' is against the rules. Item lending was introduced due to the huge number of players upset that they couldn't help out their friends by sharing their cool armour. It certainly isn't intended for high level players to profit from their wealth.

 

 

 

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Doubts cleared?

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

Interesting. Which rule is it against though? And how is it enforceable?

i make people pay... its only fair

I just refuse to lend to people who aren't my friends, simple.

I just refuse to lend to people who aren't my friends, simple.

 

Good thing you are my friend, mwhahaha

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, who wants to go on a reporting streak ^.^?

Anyways, who wants to go on a reporting streak ^.^?

Sounds kind of lame to me. Sure, I'm not a fan of the new "please-beg-me" option, and I don't support rule breakers either, but charging for something like this seems perfectly fair in my book. I wouldn't do it, but I probably would look the other way if I saw someone else doing it.

I just lend to friends only right now, and most of my friends who can wield a godsword, have a godsword, so I dont really lend that much.

Anyways, who wants to go on a reporting streak ^.^?

Sounds kind of lame to me. Sure, I'm not a fan of the new "please-beg-me" option, and I don't support rule breakers either, but charging for something like this seems perfectly fair in my book. I wouldn't do it, but I probably would look the other way if I saw someone else doing it.

 

 

 

Gonna have to agree with joo here. I wouldn't charge, but it seems fair to me. I can't use my D axe for X amount of time while X person is using it. Well thats losing me money, so they should have to pay! :)

Meh, it was meant to be a joke :P I do warn people about the fact that people can get their items back at any time.

It seemed pretty obvious that they wouldn't allow "renting" items to other players by charging cash. They'll surely add this rule somewhere soon.

 

 

 

However it's enforced, it's just the same as the other rules. If a player says "lending party hat for 15 minutes for 3k!" you report them, and then they'll get busted. Which rule it falls under I have no idea, they'll probably put it under item scamming. Now don't ask me why this "renting" thing is item scamming, but some Runescape rule names include other stuff too. Jagex staff impersonation also includes saying that your main is a pmod or that your friend is one (no matter if it's true or not).

I would never charge a friend. However, if someone really desperatly wanted something to borrow then I wouldnt have any qualms about renting it out.

I would never charge a friend of mine. I would however charge someone I didn't know.

 

I'm nice enough to lend my friends things but a complete stranger will have to pay me :twisted:

Just studied the rules. I cannot see anything in the rules that remotely suggests that charging for item lending is breaking a rule. Perhaps someone could ask a Jagex Mod which rule is being broken? - oh we can't due to the rubbish Customer Service :wall:

 

 

 

IMO it is quite acceptable. If the person borrowing the item is too lazy to get one for themselves then they should pay for the privilege of temporarily "owning" the item.

 

 

 

On a similar vein is it moral to charge for using someone's skill via the assist system? Again all the same arguments arise, but my opinion above still stands.

 

 

 

Just so you know - yes I do charge for "assisting" (although I rarely do it) and if I did have anything worth lending I would charge.

better than a reporting streak hunt down and give out free items near the players :? :