Sojin Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Heyya! I'm probably beating the dead horse here with this question. I am sure its been asked 2000 times before but now we've gotten to see a change in pattern of the types of updates that are coming out. So far, most of the updates have been small and numerous with 10 or so small additions/changes that are geared toward fixing existing content instead of adding new stuff. If you had to ask me, I would say that they have struck a very nice balance between fixing old content and adding new content. So what do you think? Do you like the new update scheme or do you prefer the old one of focusing on the large updates? If this is in the wrong section I am really sorry :oops:. And I am not here atm (classes) (And I probably should have changed the title so something better lol). Hot topic??!?! Geez! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 2009 is a year of updating the old while also bringing in the new. In that regards, I think he's doing great. 2010 will return to the old style of big updates, I'm sure, but until then we're going to have to deal with old gripes being wiped clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauke Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 2009 is a year of updating the old while also bringing in the new. In that regards, I think he's doing great. 2010 will return to the old style of big updates, I'm sure, but until then we're going to have to deal with old gripes being wiped clean. That, and with the new CEO, Jagex has expanded on other areas.. like getting into contact with fansites, using Twitter, answering a lot of questions from users, events with Jagex mods, etc. And he only just started. I think he's doing whatever is possible to keep things running. Allthough it can always be better, I think he's doing great. Twitter ||| Google+ ||| Facebook ||| LinkedIn ||| My very interesting weblog about science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I doubt that the CEO has alot to do with the recent updates. We will probably have to find some people further down the chain of command to hold responsible. But if Jagex in this year keeps expanding, hiring new employees and comes out of 2009 with green numbers on the bottom line, than we can say he's done good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I doubt that the CEO has alot to do with the recent updates. We will probably have to find some people further down the chain of command to hold responsible. But if Jagex in this year keeps expanding, hiring new employees and comes out of 2009 with green numbers on the bottom line, than we can say he's done good. Well he does have a lot to do with the direction of the company in regards to its overall goals, and he's doing a lot better of a job than Geoff Iddison, especially in regards to the community and f2p. Mark Gerhard wants to make the game more fun for both sides, Iddison just wanted publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I think all we can contribute to him at the moment is the opening of connections with fansites and more interaction with the community like he promised. Content and updates are going to still be from Iddison's reign (of terror?), it won't be until later on in the year we start getting stuff from Gerhard. I give him my full faith and fangirlingness I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I doubt that the CEO has alot to do with the recent updates. We will probably have to find some people further down the chain of command to hold responsible. But if Jagex in this year keeps expanding, hiring new employees and comes out of 2009 with green numbers on the bottom line, than we can say he's done good. Well he does have a lot to do with the direction of the company in regards to its overall goals, and he's doing a lot better of a job than Geoff Iddison, especially in regards to the community and f2p. Mark Gerhard wants to make the game more fun for both sides, Iddison just wanted publicity. You're definitely right on those points. He has improved the connections between *certain* fansites and updates on f2p. But I don't think we should all bow down in worship just yet as it is custom to want to make a good first impression as a new employee/boss on the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omali Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 You're definitely right on those points. He has improved the connections between *certain* fansites and updates on f2p. But I don't think we should all bow down in worship just yet as it is custom to want to make a good first impression as a new employee/boss on the job. *stands up* It is certainly too early to tell if he's a success, but the question was whether he was doing a good job so far, to which I answer yes. He is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 He's doing great so far. Things are getting done, and we see him about. Geoff Iddison, where was he, ever? Not once did I see his name about on the forums or anything. He seemed to only be involved with the media end of things and showing RuneScape off in a way. Everything's well so far, for everyone. It's as simple as that, and the in-game behind the scenes thing was very good. He said that they hope to have the new skill released before 2010. We can only wait. Join his clan chat (Mod_Mmg), if he's online chances are you may find him in there. Not today, though. The team are over at the Games developer conference in San francisco. : RIP Michaelangelopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormveritas Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I'm not giving him this rousing round of applause. Calling it a "Year of Updates" doesn't mean we should be satisfied with a year off from new content. That's about what we've seen. The recent quest was nice and well done, but very small in the grand scheme of importance and impact on the game. There have been MANY nice new additions; interface changes and tweaks. It definitely seems like the new person in charge is more of a player than a manager, as player-friendly tweaks suggest. The removal of BTS has also removed any accountability Jagex has had to work within giving deadlines. The result is a clear lack of new content; not good for anyone. To say that Iddison wanted publicity next to MMG is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. In order to find out what was going on, MMG had his own chats where you had to add him, follow him, and listen ad nauseum until he chimed in. Moreover, he puts his name on EVERYTHING new. He's like the Wizard of Oz; completely enamored with the mystique of the job and its associated power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 He seems to be saying, "Yes" to all the right things and enjoying the cash flow come in. But judging by the public affection for him not only here but on RSOF...I'd say he's played his role to the hilt--a glorious public figure, pushing for change and open-ness that RS'ers have craved for years. Hey, kind of sounds like a president I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chained_life Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 We haven't had any good content updates, in terms of usefulness. The fixes are nice, but why should we have terrible content for these fixes I personally don't care much about... I wish the CEO would stop hanging out with his pals in runescape and do his job, this goes for all the mods, I don't want to know them, I don't care to know them I just want them to do the job they are supposed to do. Nothing this year has made me want to stay p2p, I've only stayed for my clan (to train and make money) and for slayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauke Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 We haven't had any good content updates, in terms of usefulness. The fixes are nice, but why should we have terrible content for these fixes I personally don't care much about... I wish the CEO would stop hanging out with his pals in runescape and do his job, this goes for all the mods, I don't want to know them, I don't care to know them I just want them to do the job they are supposed to do. Nothing this year has made me want to stay p2p, I've only stayed for my clan (to train and make money) and for slayer. Jagex isn't there to personally please you. They have given us various fixes along with some content. If you don't like it, that's too bad.. but they can't please everyone. I personally am very happy with the latest updates to the game. Twitter ||| Google+ ||| Facebook ||| LinkedIn ||| My very interesting weblog about science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chained_life Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 We haven't had any good content updates, in terms of usefulness. The fixes are nice, but why should we have terrible content for these fixes I personally don't care much about... I wish the CEO would stop hanging out with his pals in runescape and do his job, this goes for all the mods, I don't want to know them, I don't care to know them I just want them to do the job they are supposed to do. Nothing this year has made me want to stay p2p, I've only stayed for my clan (to train and make money) and for slayer. Jagex isn't there to personally please you. They have given us various fixes along with some content. If you don't like it, that's too bad.. but they can't please everyone. I personally am very happy with the latest updates to the game. Sure didn't see that coming. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojin Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 I doubt that the CEO has alot to do with the recent updates. We will probably have to find some people further down the chain of command to hold responsible. But if Jagex in this year keeps expanding, hiring new employees and comes out of 2009 with green numbers on the bottom line, than we can say he's done good. Ah thats kindof where I messed up on the title I guess. I was trying to gear this towards the pattern of updates and not necessarily the new CEO. That being said, it does seem like he is pushing change and openness on jagex's part. (just like someone above this said! can't remember the name :cry: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I think hes doing a gr8 job so far. The lines of communication are definitely more open, despite what whiners say. And they are doing what they said. In Jan they said they were scrapping the 2 updates a month thing and returning to something more like the old style, but alternating between fixs and new content. Which clearly, despite what whiners says, never promised weekly updates just more than 2 a month and alternating. New content I don't think we have a whole lot to judge him on yet as most content projects in these months are no doubt left overs from the previous ceo leadership, but there has definitely been less obvious bugs. The majority have been obscure or due to thousands of players not being the same as a QA team all in 1 office. I hope as they year progresses we get onto bigger fixes that make unused areas usable etc and that we see new content getting better and better. But I absolutely LOVE all the fixes, yes it means less new stuff to try out but I'll happily sacrifice that and get more done on my goals if it means the game itself is getting that much better with the old things getting more efficient etc. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@Dan3HitU Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 2009 is a year of updating the old while also bringing in the new. In that regards, I think he's doing great. 2010 will return to the old style of big updates, I'm sure, but until then we're going to have to deal with old gripes being wiped clean. 2009 - 1 new skill (members). 2010, 2 new skills (1 member and 1 free), that's my opinion anyway :) I think he's trying too hard and going with the wrong approach, although I do like his hands-on approach, I think he should have contacted long-term and long playing hour users first on what they think needs updating and sorting out. Then he should of asked the majority of people about PvP, over/under powered weapons and combat skills, god knows how the Attack skill hasn't been changed so it actually does something, and how the DDS hasn't been reduced to 50% bar special, and MSB raised back to 40% (or 35%) bar. ^^ the above should have all been with a hidden forum, similar to player-moderator forums and the RSC forums. Then he should of addressed the forum publicly (crowded with noobs). [-- DYNAMIC SIGNATURES FOR RUNESCAPE 3 & OLDSCHOOL 2007 RUNESCAPE --] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knight10071 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 He seems to be saying, "Yes" to all the right things and enjoying the cash flow come in. But judging by the public affection for him not only here but on RSOF...I'd say he's played his role to the hilt--a glorious public figure, pushing for change and open-ness that RS'ers have craved for years. Hey, kind of sounds like a president I know! I fully agree on the bolded part. MMG is acting an awful lot like Obama. However, I do think this is a good thing. A bit of openness on JaGEx's part is definitely a good thing. The upgrade year is something I really like aswell. Fixing and improving stuff that needs fixing before making new stuff. Also, the removal of the BTS is a shame, as I liked to read it, and while it gives JaGEx the time they need to properly prepare an update, I think this should have been fixed with a proper planning. Nobody would know if they had all updates ready a month in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I think he's doing very well, if we assume that Jagex's change of pace and direction is solely due to Mod MMG. He seems very able to interact with the players, and this has probably caused other members of Jagex to do the same; otherwise they'd look unmotivated by comparison. The updates of these last few months aren't very big, but they are meaningful and helpful. And if that's been achieved, it's a job well done. :) ...so far. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormveritas Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 But I absolutely LOVE all the fixes, yes it means less new stuff to try out but I'll happily sacrifice that and get more done on my goals if it means the game itself is getting that much better with the old things getting more efficient etc. While I disagree, this is a sound, logical argument, and if that's your opinion you're certainly welcome to it. Fair enough. What's not fair is that awful "Jagex isn't here to please you" argument. If he's a paying member, then yes they most certainly ARE supposed to keep him entertained. Just because his thoughts may be critical doesn't make them wrong, nor does disagreeing with you make him incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enipeus Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I think bad with membership costing more per month they should be releasing more updates not fixes even though he said he wasn't going to now its basically paying for members to have it not for new content. I just want more ways to get faster slayer xp and mining xp and the other hard skills with a mini game or some sort of update so you can get like 100k+ xp per hour in those skills =P~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooK-A-Ji Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 If he's a paying member, then yes they most certainly ARE supposed to keep him entertained. I disagree. Jagex cannot tailormake the game for every paying customer (1.000.000+ individuals). Paying for membership is usually a sign that one already finds entertainment in the free version and wishes to experience more of the same. Also something people have misunderstood is, that we in reality have nothing to say about future updates. That is a mere PRIVILEGE that is sometimes bestowed upon us in the shape of polls. If we were to have something to say @ updates, Jagex would have to re-write their whole company idealism and shape it in the form of a democracy. Where we, the players vote on employees, employees who uphold our personal interests and spend their worktime fighting for our personal interests, much like politicians. But fact is we/you pay for a dictatorship. And to be very plain, if you don't feel entertained, you can cancel subscription. Sorry but I just think what you and alot of others say is wrong. That Jagex is in some way legally bound to please their customers. They are not. But I mean, I think I know where you're going and I totally agree. Any games company with self-respect must strive after pleasing as many customers as possible, but in the words of Abe Lincoln: You can please some people some of the time, and you can please all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDaStudd Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 So far I love the way this year is playing out. I prefer the little updates which make a big difference to the game as a whole, more than the big updates which have little value after a while. If they continue making the little tweaks/changes like they have been RS will be an even better game. O about adding a new skill, for gods shake no. There are enough skills at the moment which could do with a boost then the need for a whole new skill. [hide=Drops]Dragon Axe x11Berserker Ring x9Warrior Ring x8SeercullDragon MedDragon Boots x4 - all less then 30 kcGodsword Shard (bandos)Granite Maul x 3Solo only - doesn't include barrows[/hide][hide=Stats][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depresins Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I doubt that the CEO has alot to do with the recent updates. We will probably have to find some people further down the chain of command to hold responsible. But if Jagex in this year keeps expanding, hiring new employees and comes out of 2009 with green numbers on the bottom line, than we can say he's done good. Well he does have a lot to do with the direction of the company in regards to its overall goals, and he's doing a lot better of a job than Geoff Iddison, especially in regards to the community and f2p. Mark Gerhard wants to make the game more fun for both sides, Iddison just wanted publicity. Please don't underestimate was Geoff did for us. He was, and is, known for his BUSINESS talents. Jagex is a business, and under his lead reported massive growth and really made an attempt to streamline the company. Mark's tactic of being more accessible and more visible gives him a more positive image. He seems to have clearly dedicated himself to improving players opinion of Jagex and fixing mistakes that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormveritas Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I disagree. Jagex cannot tailormake the game for every paying customer (1.000.000+ individuals). Paying for membership is usually a sign that one already finds entertainment in the free version and wishes to experience more of the same. Don't twist my words. I said that they have to keep him entertained as a member, not that they should tailor their entire corporate philosophy around each member. Also, he is one voice, but not the only person with that thought. They should consider feedback, and take the response of their customers seriously. Also something people have misunderstood is, that we in reality have nothing to say about future updates. That is a mere PRIVILEGE that is sometimes bestowed upon us in the shape of polls. If we were to have something to say @ updates, Jagex would have to re-write their whole company idealism and shape it in the form of a democracy. Where we, the players vote on employees, employees who uphold our personal interests and spend their worktime fighting for our personal interests, much like politicians. There is no such platform in place. Jagex policy, update strategy, and content plans are unilaterally decided by Jagex, barring some sort of judicial intervention. They decide to take players feedback if they so choose to, and decide if this implementation will make a better game. The punishment for not adhering to the desires of players manifests in a risk in dropoff of memberships / revenue. Very few decisions are so brazen that they shift the tide on themselves, but trends in their decisions steer players to or from the game. But fact is we/you pay for a dictatorship. And to be very plain, if you don't feel entertained, you can cancel subscription. Sorry but I just think what you and alot of others say is wrong. That Jagex is in some way legally bound to please their customers. They are not. Again, either your misunderstanding of my comments or your failure to understand the logistics of capitalism create the disconnect. There is no -legal- bound, but Jagex should be aware that their decisions have repercussions, and that not everyone is satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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