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hmm.. 3a kite vs dfs, one of you statistical nubs figure it [email protected]

edit: nvm can't be, cks has better stats

 

3ak comparable to dfs against ranged

3ak < dfs against melee

3ak < dfs against mage


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No more Deamonheim Bot trapping. Who's side are Jagex on anyway. :(

Now that's just sad.

Jagex seems to like to benefit botters...


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hmm.. 3a kite vs dfs, one of you statistical nubs figure it [email protected]

You can't blatantly say: 'This is always better' for any of these items. To get a fair comparison you need to give a situation and the max hit, as without this information, it's impossible to give an accurate comparison. Overall, as this update doesn't significantly change anything, the shield order is more or less the same. The soak on obby shield isn't that great either when you consider already having 20% soak and the fact that range doesn't have a terribly high max hit(other than dragonfire, which may or not actually be soaked as range).


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Dragonfire is magic, as far as I know, and according to this depiction of a dfs attack.


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Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies?

 

I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch.


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Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies?

 

I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch.

 

+1

 

Also can we get someone to accurately compile all the soak info?

Item ----------Melee soak ----- Range Soak ----- Mage soak

Arma Helm

Arma Body

Arma Legs

 

etc.


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A few preliminary Figures:

 

Bandos Chestplate: +9% Range, +4% Melee

Neitiznot Helm: +2% Melee +4% Range

Obby shield: +11% Range +5% Melee

Dragon Square: +11% Range +5% Melee

3rd Age Kite: +11% Range, +5% Melee

Rune Plate: +3% Melee, +6% Range

Rune Legs: +2% Melee, +4% Range

Rune Kite: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Rune Full Helm: +1% Melee, +3% Range

Rune Chain: +3% Melee, +6% Range

Rune Square: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Torag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Helm: +2% Melee, +5% Range

Torag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Skirt/legs: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Torag/Guthan/Dharok's Plate: +5% Melee, +10% Range

Mystic/Dagon'hai Robebottom: +2% Melee, +1% Magic

Mystic/Dagon'hai Robetop: +3% Melee, +1% Magic

SPIRIT SHIELDS: NO SOAK (except for Div/Ely's obviously)

DRAGONFIRE SHIELD: NO SOAK!

 

Will keep updating this list.

 

Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out...

 

Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!!


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A few preliminary Figures:

 

Bandos Chestplate: +9% Range, +4% Melee

Neitiznot Helm: +2% Melee +4% Range

Obby shield: +11% Range +5% Melee

Dragon Square: +11% Range +5% Melee

3rd Age Kite: +11% Range, +5% Melee

Rune Plate: +3% Melee, +6% Range

Rune Legs: +2% Melee, +4% Range

Rune Kite: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Rune Full Helm: +1% Melee, +3% Range

Rune Chain: +3% Melee, +6% Range

Rune Square: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Torag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Helm: +2% Melee, +5% Range

Torag/Guthan/Verac/Dharok's Skirt/legs: +3% Melee, +7% Range

Torag/Guthan/Dharok's Plate: +5% Melee, +10% Range

Mystic/Dagon'hai Robebottom: +2% Melee, +1% Magic

Mystic/Dagon'hai Robetop: +3% Melee, +1% Magic

SPIRIT SHIELDS: NO SOAK (except for Div/Ely's obviously)

DRAGONFIRE SHIELD: NO SOAK!

 

Will keep updating this list.

 

Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out...

 

Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!!

 

Considering you can only buy 10 every 4 hours, I would love it if you could tell me how you managed this.

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A few preliminary Figures:

Looks like OBBY SHIELDS are the biggest winner out of this, I managed to get 10 before they were bought out...

 

Last night I bought 500 obby shields just to flip, looks like I made a good decision :thumbsup: Bought at 183k, min, yesterday, and they sold for max, 197k today. 8m profit overnight!!!

 

Considering you can only buy 10 every 4 hours, I would love it if you could tell me how you managed this.

 

Also they're bound to go up a lot more, since they're probably now the most economical shield to use against bosses who use ranged. Lower risk and cost than DFS with comparable strength and ranged defense. only real weakness is mage defense; melee defense is usually not a concern at bosses


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Anyone else feel bad for Tip.it's Crewbies?

 

I do. Two gigantic updates like this in one year! Ouch.

 

+1

 

Also can we get someone to accurately compile all the soak info?

Item ----------Melee soak ----- Range Soak ----- Mage soak

Arma Helm -------0------------------------2%------------5%

Arma Body-------0%--------------5%------------------10%

Arma Legs ---------0-------------------3% ---------------7%

 

 

Morrigan body ------0----------------6%------------------12%

Morringan legs ------0----------------4%---------------------8%

 

Karil top----------------0---------------5%--------------------10%

Karil legs ------------0----------------3%---------------------7%

 

Black hide top ------0-------------3%--------------------6%

etc.

 

 

Thats all the range armor I have.

 

 

So, does this make Obby shield better for dks than DFS, or will the extra defense still block more damage?


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So karils has the same soak as Arma, good to know.

 

I also was able to sell my bandos instantly at max. like 9m profit? lol

 

Gonna buy 96+ summon. To me, thats far more valuable than bandos, which is grossly overrated. A v skirt and torso is almost as good for slayer and is much cheaper.


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Thanks for the replies so far

 

anyone know about the odd items like 3a vambs or bandos boots?

 

IDK why bandos is going up, the soaks are still worse than barrows lol. bandos is so overrated...


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Dragon Med Helm and Platelegs give as much soak as their Barrows equivalents, and Chainbody is only 1% less than a Barrows platebody...

 

I figured they would have taken this opportunity to boost the Dungeoneering shields to their originally guaranteed stats. Wrong again...

 

However, on Dungeoneering, do the armors within Daemonheim have damage soaking abilities?


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Dragon Med Helm and Platelegs give as much soak as their Barrows equivalents, and Chainbody is only 1% less than a Barrows platebody...

 

I figured they would have taken this opportunity to boost the Dungeoneering shields to their originally guaranteed stats. Wrong again...

 

However, on Dungeoneering, do the armors within Daemonheim have damage soaking abilities?

 

afaik no


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Just got to thinking, as the only real monster that suffers from this update is corp and his attack is ridiculously high, wouldn't wearing a mixture of soaking equipment or mage armor be the best now? The most significant damage corp does is melee and mage, while using only karils will not soak melee and only using bandos will not soak magic, where as using bcp+karil skirt would fix some of that, or even better, wearing ahrims skirt+top would help tremendously, aswell. Any idea on how to estimate this impact?


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Ancient, I know its minimal. But free damage reduction is nice, even minor. I never expected it to be great. But still, it looks cool on paper :P


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Just got to thinking, as the only real monster that suffers from this update is corp and his attack is ridiculously high, wouldn't wearing a mixture of soaking equipment or mage armor be the best now? The most significant damage corp does is melee and mage, while using only karils will not soak melee and only using bandos will not soak magic, where as using bcp+karil skirt would fix some of that, or even better, wearing ahrims skirt+top would help tremendously, aswell. Any idea on how to estimate this impact?

 

idk, i'm kind of skeptical because of how low the soaks are

 

Ancient, I know its minimal. But free damage reduction is nice, even minor. I never expected it to be great. But still, it looks cool on paper :P

 

That's not what I meant :P

barrows items have better soak values in addition to better defense values (than bandos), so idk why people think bandos would go up

expecting a bandos crash, since tassets were already in a bubble for whatever reason


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IDK why bandos is going up, the soaks are still worse than barrows lol. bandos is so overrated...

 

I guess some people like having their max hit rise by 10-17. :P

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Dragonfire is magic, as far as I know, and according to this depiction of a dfs attack.

I'm fighting dragons now, and actually I don't see any "damage type" icon pop up if I let myself be hit by the breadth..

 

@the ancients: well soaks aren't ment to reduce the "dps".. They are usefull however to reduce the KO power of certain monsters (and especially pking)..


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Also an amazing discovery I made during quests: all those both monster who "attack with XX, but you can only partially pray" simply have half (? or some other percentage) of their damage done in another stat. The last boss of do no evil for example used range + magic combo.

 

This is usefull for picking outfits (tip it guide says it uses only magic, which made it seem mage pray + mage armour is best - however as I experienced myself and no actually saw best would be to have anti range armour with mage pray).

 

Um, no? The final boss of the new monkey quest has a different mechanic.

 

He is the only boss to attack with 2 styles at the same time, not only that, but he also shifts the pwoer of each style accordingly. Like, when he hits 300's with magic, he hits 5~ with Ranged and so on. The gimmick is, as the battle unfolds, the power of one decreases as the other one increases, so at times protect from magic is best while at other Protect from missiles is the optimal choice.

 

Or so i noticed it during my battle with it, i could be wrong :unsure:

 

 

OT: I hope this brings a new high level smithing update to make soaking specific armour, with high stats aswell. I was kind of disapointed for Defence itself not giving any kind of boost. I could see 99 defence giving a permanent 10-20~ish % soaking bonus on all kinds of defence.

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I might as well alch my farseer kite now..

Neither farseer nor eagle eye shields got shafted much as they are still the only shields to offer those specific soaks. Chaotic kite, however....ouch.


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If I'm thinking about this right, this makes claws even better.

Notice how I'm at the begining of my claw spec animation, yet all 4 hits have already landed

Unless this is different in pvp situations, this makes them more dangerous

Assuming the Pheonix necklace works the same, it will be unable to catch you at low HP mid spec

You will also be unable to eat before the second wave of hits, since they hit instantly

 

All this combined with only 1 of the hits hitting about 200 usually to avoid the damage soaking

Congrats claws, you've stopped crashing

 

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