15-Nov-2011 - Breaking Dicing

[Mirror]

Whatevs. Just stop spamming in the GE. I'll be happy when that happens.

[Crossed_Body]

Spamming, buying ranks, scamming, pmods muting from rival dice ccs, spam pms advertising dicing ccs, etc wasn't affecting the game? And most of the scamming was under the guise of something legitimate, unlike trimming.

I'd concede spamming if the ignore list didn't exist.

How does buying ranks ruin the game?

Scamming has always existed, much like luring and other underhanded methods of acquiring goods. Removing a feature because of a few rotten apples is not a good policy to adopt.

I'd concede spam pms if there wasn't an ignore list or a friends only functionality for pms.

 

Sure, spamming might affect you in some way until you add them to the ignore list, but I'd hardly call it... what did you say? "ruining the game"

Stop being overly dramatic.

[Carl]

People Mad: Dice hosts, Addicts

People Happy: Poor people, people unconvinced of the trustworthiness of some dicers

People who don't care: Smart

 

I was a host in a dice clan, but this doesn't really bug me. The clan I bought a rank in wasn't too great (It's been linked to twice in this thread). I never even broke even off the rank. Oh well. All the clans have already moved on to using the Skullballs or whatever, and when those get removed, they will move onto something else.

 

You either stop all gambling or you stop none of it, and if you stop all of it, then it's the start of 2007 all over again.

 

I'm happy it's been removed. I'm not poor, nor unconvinced of trustworthiness of certain people. I wasn't happy with the direction the game/community was going. This will halt it, even if only for a few days.

[Bows]

Jagex is cracking down. Damn. :thumbup:

[Vann]

Skullballs didn't get removed. Aweseome.

 

up 70m in the past hour off hosting skull ball color x6. all 1-2m bets. lol

 

peace,

Vann

[Will H]

Duel Arena is more like poker. Yes, there's luck at its core, but how you actually profit on average depends on personal skill. Dicing is simple and requires no skill, and thus devalues the game. I think that's the difference here.

Poker is still gambling, and that was the argument Jagex presented. Whether it requires skill or not is irrelevant, and that wasn't the excuse they used.

 

To be honest, I couldn't care less about the arguments Jagex presents. I don't think dicing should be a part of the game because all profitable parts of the game should require a certain amount of skill or perseverance. It's the exact same reason why I don't agree with bots.

[Crossed_Body]

To be honest, I couldn't care less about the arguments Jagex presents.

That's fine. I do, and that's why I'm mildly bothered by their explanation. I thought they were going to be more communicative with the community, but it seems they still like to beat around the bush.

I don't even gamble.

[Mazhar]

made my rank cost in 5 days so not even mad, it's still not dead but I'm not bothered if they remove that too

[Thus]

Spamming, buying ranks, scamming, pmods muting from rival dice ccs, spam pms advertising dicing ccs, etc wasn't affecting the game? And most of the scamming was under the guise of something legitimate, unlike trimming.

I'd concede spamming if the ignore list didn't exist.

How does buying ranks ruin the game?

Scamming has always existed, much like luring and other underhanded methods of acquiring goods. Removing a feature because of a few rotten apples is not a good policy to adopt.

I'd concede spam pms if there wasn't an ignore list or a friends only functionality for pms.

 

Sure, spamming might affect you in some way until you add them to the ignore list, but I'd hardly call it... what did you say? "ruining the game"

Stop being overly dramatic.

Of course, I guess I could just ignore the problem. Ignore every annoying dicer on every world. Ignore a huge cause of scamming in this game.

 

Well, I guess this is what I get for discussing things with a dicer. Good luck making money legitimately I guess.

 

EDIT: Unless you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Or pointing out Jagex contradictions for the sake of pointing them out. Whatever floats your boat.

[Dexek]

Glad my friends could make their billions while dicing was available. I was never the sort for gambling though. If I did, it would simply be on the gamble of mass buying and selling items.

[Kaida23]

Holy crap! Two major problems dealt with in as many months. :o Well done, Jagex. Well done. =D>

And now another major issue gets announced the very same day. I angrily retract my previous statement. :angry:

[Formerly_Deathknell]

Well, the people will find a way to scam out more cash. They always do. Hard to get rid of as cockroaches.

[Cheefoo]

Finally. Now maybe all those rich lazy bastards will work for their money. I'm not (only) being judgemental; the fact that so many people could make money and produce no resources kinda hurts the economy. Now with dicing gone, maybe there will be more people actually contibuting to the market.

[Crossed_Body]

the fact that so many people could make money and produce no resources kinda hurts the economy.

But that's wrong. It only relocates money, it doesn't affect the economy. One could argue that without this, they will turn to gathering resources, but merchanting has always been a prominent factor on deciding player wealth (merely relocating player wealth, just like dicing), and I doubt dicers will attempt to grow fortunes by fishing or woodcutting.

[Zargo_VI]

Well done Jagex. I didn't expect them to actually take this step so I'm happily surprised.

[Nash]

September: I Diced for money -> got 95 prayer.

September: I Diced for more -> got 96 herb

October: I Diced Again-> got 99 herb

October: I Diced more -> got 99 prayer

Early November: Diced more -> got santa and all the gear I need

Now: Jagex Removes dice.

Now: I lol'd

 

I have no problem with in-game gambling. Staking is just as bad as dicing and you can get scammed just as easily there too (so many bugs tbh).

 

If they implemented an in-game texas holdem table in brimhaven hosted by npc pirates id probably play there and do nothing else lol.

 

 

 

On the other hand im glad Jagex is cleaning everything up. One thing that bugged me was how so many kids felt the need the talk like illiterate inner-city crack dealers when they'd host.

 

"I roll dis dice fo yo geepee's ya dig?" #-o

[Quyneax]

 

Duel Arena is more like poker. Yes, there's luck at its core, but how you actually profit on average depends on personal skill. Dicing is simple and requires no skill, and thus devalues the game. I think that's the difference here.

Poker is still gambling, and that was the argument Jagex presented. Whether it requires skill or not is irrelevant, and that wasn't the excuse they used.

Relevant Wikipedia link.

 

Poker has elements of chance but so do lots of games. The question is, do you consider it gambling if it's possible to profit given a large enough number of games? For poker and staking, yes, you can profit reliably long-term, for dicing, no (if not hosting).

[Ellac]

Well damn, I really didn't expect this one. Now the only thing left is to change back the dragon scimitar, longsword and 2H graphics and I have nothing to complain about :)

 

Now I'll finally be able to use the GE without being pestered by dicers.

[Blutters]

Flock to the Duel Arena while you can, while the ex-dicers are still in the dark about style switching! :P

[Troacctid]

Dicing is worse than the Duel Arena because staking doesn't lure in gullible noobs--regardless of the reality, staking is perceived as requiring skill, so players who aren't confident in their skill don't stake. But dicing gives everyone equal odds, which makes it attractive to a different kind of player.

[Will H]

Now I'll finally be able to use the GE without being pestered by dicers.

 

I have to admit, this is definitely a bonus. Dicers have been some of the most annoying spammers I have ever seen.

[Kata_Phfract__the_slayer]

Shame the dice are going, But its for the better good.

 

Too bad people will just switch to a different method and this will have barely any effect.

[Wantmyar]

yeah this was dumb

[Stev]

So we can stake... But they can't add an option to dice where the host has to pay out because we shouldn't gamble. Awesome logic Jagex. Pure genius on your part.

 

Inb4flowergame.

 

 

Finally. Now maybe all those rich lazy bastards will work for their money. I'm not (only) being judgemental; the fact that so many people could make money and produce no resources kinda hurts the economy. Now with dicing gone, maybe there will be more people actually contibuting to the market.

 

Sorry... But I had to LOL.

[Kata_Phfract__the_slayer]

Instead of removing dice, they should just oh forced them to do it in the games room or something, on top of that there should be an official system so if you win you get something, always.