Hotfix: Toy Horsey Phrases

[Beaumonde]

Sometimes I wish that more people understood the concept of accountability.

There is no way to fight it.

They should just add a simple official dice game with duel interface for gambling cash.

 

I don't think that the only problem Jagex has with this is scamming or people being irresponsible with their money. I think Jagex saw the effect that widespread gambling had on the economy, which seemed pretty negative to me.

 

Good, now make it against the rules.

THIS

Did they forget that Pmods existed or something?

 

I'm in big support of this.

[pulli23]

For the flower game, they could actually have some fun. Wait for people to work out the odds and a standard game, and then silently change the odds on them so that the host is at a disadvantage. Rather than take away the toys, keep the hosts guessing so that they never know when the game is going to screw them over.

That would still make the game the same: as it is already random you can't know it and it's still a chance game where you have a certain win percentage.

[Mercifull]

It's not so much the gambling but player hosted gambling where the odds are always stacked in one persons favour rather than coming down to the game mechanics fairly.

[Star.]

I remember something about a lad who commit suicide because he gave his friend a green phat to wear and his friend turned on him and stole it.

And then there was something else about someone who stated in game or on the forums that he was gonna commit suicide and the police went to his residence.

No source because I don't remember exact details.

 

 

 

 

 

Good, now make it against the rules.

THIS

Did they forget that Pmods existed or something?

Only if they didn't choose some shitty pmods. I think they're scared of Pmods abusing this.

I know not all Pmods are crap.

 

 

There is no way to fight it.

They should just add a simple official dice game with duel interface for gambling cash.

I agree with adding a dual interface because there is gambling in other aspects of the game so why not make it fair here, as it is fair at the duel arena. They wouldn't have to add all this crap in.

[Ambler]

Thank you. Been waiting a while for this. Flowers next pls.

[Hedgehog]

It's not so much the gambling but player hosted gambling where the odds are always stacked in one persons favour rather than coming down to the game mechanics fairly.

I don't get how it's bad that the odds favor the host. That's the way gambling's supposed to work. It's the people who complain when they lose and the people who scam that are the problem.

[Mercifull]

Runescape kinda already IS a "house" with the other gambling elements. If you started running your own casino games in the middle of the Luxor you'd be shown the door pretty quick.

[Alg]

Only if they didn't choose some shitty pmods. I think they're scared of Pmods abusing this.

I know not all Pmods are crap.

On the other hand, the crap ones won't abuse the ability to enforce the rules any more than they have in the past :twss:

At the very least, it has to be more effective than the current policy of "It's not against the rules, but we're breaking every items that enables it".

I liked my dice bag

[Omali]

Runescape kinda already IS a "house" with the other gambling elements. If you started running your own casino games in the middle of the Luxor you'd be shown the door pretty quick.

 

The bouncers at the Luxor are a lot more violent than Jagex when they catch you, not that I'd have experience setting up an illegitimate dicing ring on the second floor men's bathroom by the poker tables on Tuesdays and Thursdays at 4pm.

[ItsCook]

All they need to do is make it a true reportable offence and stick by it, other wise these people will find new ways to make gambling games

[asfcjfdyitfhglh]

I've got an idea. Why not do something like they originally did with herblore, with flowers? When you plant it, there is a patch of grass instead, with a black outline of a flower (or something like that). Only after picked will you know what colour it is.

[VonMedo]

why do they even keep stupid flowers in the game? make it 1 color or remove them!

[Pinata]

why do they even keep stupid flowers in the game? make it 1 color or remove them!

I use them for e-dating

[Carl]

 

 

Wasn't there some high profile suicide over RuneScape a few years ago, where the kid posted his suicide note on the forums?

 

Yeah I remember hearing of that. A Google search shows it, also.

 

I remember something about a lad who commit suicide because he gave his friend a green phat to wear and his friend turned on him and stole it.

And then there was something else about someone who stated in game or on the forums that he was gonna commit suicide and the police went to his residence.

No source because I don't remember exact details.

 

I'm glad Jagex do take suicide seriously when it comes to RuneScape. Even people joking about it can have major consequences. I don't think they would be too pleased when the authorities show up on their doorstep and the parents answer the door after them joking about it.

Edited January 14, 2012 by Kimberly
Removed rule-breaking quote

[Den]

Laughed when I read that, then carried on doing other things.

 

Wish they would just make gambling through trust-trades against the rules.

[Kimberly]

I would love to know why they're hesitating, but in the meantime, this is mostly good.

[Platinum_Myr]

I would rather they either a) implement a fair system for gambling on an outcome, or b) make it against the rules

 

There isn't really a way for them to prevent gambling outside of gameplay unless they *never* make a random outcome item. I think the loss of great items like the dice is not good. I guess they don't want to say gambling is bad, because that *could* get a lot of reaction. But changing the items gets the same reaction... However, with less obvious methods like the dice, where the odds are clearly stated... Gambling has gone down since the removal of dice. There are a whole lot less people offering to host a gamble, and it is much nicer overall. The less common the gambling enabler is, the less likely people will trust it.

 

At least this is a step in the right direction. Being a gambling host shouldn't be enabled.

[Randox]

I remember something about a lad who commit suicide because he gave his friend a green phat to wear and his friend turned on him and stole it.

And then there was something else about someone who stated in game or on the forums that he was gonna commit suicide and the police went to his residence.

No source because I don't remember exact details.

 

Not a one off incident, not even close. The police have shown up at the doors of many runescape players for suicide threats, threats of violence, and for suggesting they are being abused.

 

I like Sojournitis' idea about only seeing the colour once you pick it. That saves Jagex from messing with the rarity of the colours, which would have some impact on a small segement of the market, and it prevents them from being used in gambling. Flowers are really the last thing left that I can think of where you can probably arrange odds that are only slightly in the hosts favour. Other options are looking at 66% favour and higher, which I think are less attractive to prospective gamblers, though the increased payout could get people over that.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I'm confused now. They introduced items such as dice as a form of emergent gameplay, and they also trended on items having a [pseudo]random effect when used (RSC cape, Max Dungeoneering Cape, Horses, Flowers, etc).

 

Wouldn't they have considered the ramifications of people using a built-in [pseudo]random system that allows for so-called "illegitimate" gameplay? Hell, why didn't they just take the easy route and make it a bannable offense? Sometimes these fixes are, to me, like a wild goose chase.

 

Next, they'll move on to fly fishing. Nerf that.

[Kaida23]

I'm confused now. They introduced items such as dice as a form of emergent gameplay, and they also trended on items having a [pseudo]random effect when used (RSC cape, Max Dungeoneering Cape, Horses, Flowers, etc).

Weren't the trade restrictions in place when they introduced those things (with the possible exception of the RSC cape, I can't remember exactly when it came out)? Using them to gamble billions of gp probably didn't occur to them at the time.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

I'm confused now. They introduced items such as dice as a form of emergent gameplay, and they also trended on items having a [pseudo]random effect when used (RSC cape, Max Dungeoneering Cape, Horses, Flowers, etc).

Weren't the trade restrictions in place when they introduced those things (with the possible exception of the RSC cape, I can't remember exactly when it came out)? Using them to gamble billions of gp probably didn't occur to them at the time.

 

Maybe...but I won't let them plead ignorance on this one. Consider that Dueling was around for much longer, and gambling of entire banks wasn't uncommon practice. The main reason that Dueling isn't in the main crosshairs of Jagex with these hotfixes is that it still incorporates a fair chance for both players (based on skill levels). Take away the "fair chance" rationale, and you're left with every [pseudo]random number generator in the entire game. It's not that tough to consider, but perhaps it's easy to overlook...

[Carl]

I'm confused now. They introduced items such as dice as a form of emergent gameplay, and they also trended on items having a [pseudo]random effect when used (RSC cape, Max Dungeoneering Cape, Horses, Flowers, etc).

Weren't the trade restrictions in place when they introduced those things (with the possible exception of the RSC cape, I can't remember exactly when it came out)? Using them to gamble billions of gp probably didn't occur to them at the time.

 

Indeed, and the uses for Dice, etc. was for clans mainly to use among one another.

[asfcjfdyitfhglh]

Dung cape emote isn't worth the time to get 99 dung just to gamble.

[asfcjfdyitfhglh]

I'm confused now. They introduced items such as dice as a form of emergent gameplay, and they also trended on items having a [pseudo]random effect when used (RSC cape, Max Dungeoneering Cape, Horses, Flowers, etc).

Weren't the trade restrictions in place when they introduced those things (with the possible exception of the RSC cape, I can't remember exactly when it came out)? Using them to gamble billions of gp probably didn't occur to them at the time.

 

Maybe...but I won't let them plead ignorance on this one. Consider that Dueling was around for much longer, and gambling of entire banks wasn't uncommon practice. The main reason that Dueling isn't in the main crosshairs of Jagex with these hotfixes is that it still incorporates a fair chance for both players (based on skill levels). Take away the "fair chance" rationale, and you're left with every [pseudo]random number generator in the entire game. It's not that tough to consider, but perhaps it's easy to overlook...

 

I agree, anything with a slight randomness to it can and will be used. Dunno why I thought of this, but they could be a certain thieving level, and whether or not they are successful in their pickpocket could be the factor, eg, I bet 1B, the host gets stunned, he owes me 2B. Haha not to give any ideas, but it's an example of randomness that could be used, because they could be, say, the level of the thing being pickpocketed, or w/e, and raise thieving level to affect results

[TC3]

It would be so much easier to make gambling in RS an offence.. seriously just ban all the hosts. The truth is that dicers have now moved onto IRC dicing which is impossible for Jagex to stop unless it becomes an offence.

 

I have felt this way about gambling since I first started to see it emerge. Jagex needs to realize they HAVE to make it an offence to gamble like this, until they do people will continue finding ways to gamble and all the largescale clans will keep IRC dicing.