NukeMarine Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 In all likelihood Jagex shot itself in the foot thanks to its legal proceedings. I'm sure in those court transcripts Jagex equated real world value to things such as GP or Experience or Items. As such, they argued there's inherent value to items in RuneScape, even if they don't like that value to be cashed in by other players or entities. Combine that with this update, and I think a smart district attorney can argue this is gambling using Jagex's own definition in addition to a state or country in question. I do not like this update. Loyalty rewards I backed as that was rewarding consistent membership which I argued should have been a condition for higher trade limits during the trade lockdown. This is just selling a predictable chance pattern with rare items tossed in. Now someone wearing a face tattoo could either be very lucky, or had a lot of real world cash lying around. At the very least, I hope Jagex makes this pseudo tedious to use. In other words, you have to always put in your credit card information. I'm not stupid enough to click "remember cc details" on my daughter's account, but I wouldn't doubt some parents are that stupid. This is a special news report waiting to happen: "Tonight, a very special report: Kids spent thousands of dollars in one month on a game advertised as 'free'. The owners claim it's not gambling, but wait to you see it in action" Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I get the idea of adding free spins to various minigame and stuff. It would be a good way of getting lesser used content more active but the buying of spins is a big mistake. I hope Jagex reconsider. That's bullshit about it not being gambling because you "win" every time. Yeah because 1 tin ore is comparable to a divine sheild... Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 There are roars of unheard volume on HLF right now, expect a nerf, possibly to lamp rewards. If you're serious about buying EXP, don't hesitate to. Considering dropping $80 more in spins my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 This is a special news report waiting to happen: "Tonight, a very special report: Kids spent thousands of dollars in one month on a game advertised as 'free'. The owners claim it's not gambling, but wait to you see it in action" http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/10/children-are-spending-thousands-dollars-on-in-app-purchases-ftc/http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/07/AR2011020706073.html Over the winter break from school, 8-year-old Madison worked to dress up her simple mushroom home on the iPhone game Smurfs' Village. In doing so, she also amassed a $1,400 bill from Apple. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codecRS Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I dont care for this update, so many people are over reacting, the amount of money you would have to spend to get a 99 is ridiculous. http://www.youtube.com/codecrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equenox Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Just confirming that trying to buy spins DOES come up with any saved Credit/Debit cards associated with your account, and requires no additional details to be entered. However, you can delete cards associated with your account so in the event your account were compromised that can't freely spend your money on Spins. My understanding is that this doesn't affect repeat membership transactions, so I would suggest that everyone does it. Equenox's Blog of Things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 A nerf in xp wont stop stupid people spending thousands on spins. A better nerf would be TO REMOVE THE ABILITY TO BUY SPINS! Or at the very least limit the number of spins per month. Just confirming that trying to buy spins DOES come up with any saved Credit/Debit cards associated with your account, and requires no additional details to be entered. However, you can delete cards associated with your account so in the event your account were compromised that can't freely spend your money on Spins. My understanding is that this doesn't affect repeat membership transactions, so I would suggest that everyone does it.If your account was compromised and they changed the password how would you remove the linked cards? Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 "Let's charge players to try and win awesome prizes, when chances are the best they'll get is 30 50gp wins TRLOLOLOLOOLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLL-" Seriously, this is downright pathetic and 110% promotes gambling, and because I'm an idiot and a total arse, I will buy the 75 spins this thursday on my pay, document EVERY win, just to prove how much of a farce this is even more-so. Popoto.~<3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logdotzip Posted April 2, 2012 Author Share Posted April 2, 2012 call me sad but i bought another 75. $40 has net me 400k exp, 260k of it RC I got $100 cash yesterday for helping a friend move so it's no skin off my bones, saves me so much time my youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Maybe that's their plan? Leave the 75 spins option for a few days while everyone documents how rubbish it is then they remove it and say it was a mistake and sit there laughing at the huge chunk of extra cash that game in at the start of the financial year Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equenox Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Just confirming that trying to buy spins DOES come up with any saved Credit/Debit cards associated with your account, and requires no additional details to be entered. However, you can delete cards associated with your account so in the event your account were compromised that can't freely spend your money on Spins. My understanding is that this doesn't affect repeat membership transactions, so I would suggest that everyone does it.If your account was compromised and they changed the password how would you remove the linked cards?You can't, you have to be logged in. Best to do it preemptively. Equenox's Blog of Things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xInfinityx Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 /start; I haz sum money left over, after I have payed all my bills and monthly fee's What 99 skills do you guys advice me to BUY for the 2500$+ I have left? /end;sarcasm | 99 Attack | 99 Strength | 99 Defence | 99 Hit Points | 99 Prayer | 99 Magic | 99 Summoning | 99 Ranging || 99 Agility| 99 Woodcutting | 99 Construction | 99 Fletching | 99 Herblore | 99 Runecrafting | 99 Thieving || 99 Firemaking | 99 Crafting | 99 Runecrafting | 99 Cooking| 99 Smithing | 99 Construction | 99 Fishing || 99 Hunter | 99 Farming | 99 Slayer | Divination 99 | 115+ Dungeoneering |Total Level: 2590+Max Cape - Owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunokiller Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Getting 99 runecrafting will cost me only around $700!!!!! My blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnyuk Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 It's no different really then Zynga's business model or any other of the mobile phone games, which you can spend unlimited amount of money to advance yourself further in game. Expect more of this to come as it is the future <unfortunatly> Quit Runescape 10 jan 2007 - Playing again 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codecRS Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 10m xp in a skills costs around $1800 http://www.youtube.com/codecrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Runar Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I somehow guessed there would be a Grindscape comic about this already. Sums up my thoughts well, and probably everyone else's too. http://grindscapecomic.com/ (lots of swearing in the picture. can't link straight to the comic because the link is censored.) The Runar's (OSRS) DIY blog - most viewed Blogscape blog ever! Contract? ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Jmod logic. <_< Oh for pete's sake. That's not right at all. It's like saying Deal or No Deal isn't gambling because the least you could get would be the penny in the box. A loss is a relative term, wherein you end up with a reduced value in the things you own than you did before you played the game. 50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement. I've never seriously considered my future with this game, but now I am. EDIT: Fixed topic title. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement. Except in deal or no deal, you actually have an offer [say, 50k] already on the table. This, you start with nothing. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement. Except in deal or no deal, you actually have an offer [say, 50k] already on the table. This, you start with nothing. This, you start with the real world money you paid into buying the tickets. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts_Stormrage Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 In all likelihood Jagex shot itself in the foot thanks to its legal proceedings. I'm sure in those court transcripts Jagex equated real world value to things such as GP or Experience or Items. As such, they argued there's inherent value to items in RuneScape, even if they don't like that value to be cashed in by other players or entities. Combine that with this update, and I think a smart district attorney can argue this is gambling using Jagex's own definition in addition to a state or country in question. I do not like this update. Loyalty rewards I backed as that was rewarding consistent membership which I argued should have been a condition for higher trade limits during the trade lockdown. This is just selling a predictable chance pattern with rare items tossed in. Now someone wearing a face tattoo could either be very lucky, or had a lot of real world cash lying around. At the very least, I hope Jagex makes this pseudo tedious to use. In other words, you have to always put in your credit card information. I'm not stupid enough to click "remember cc details" on my daughter's account, but I wouldn't doubt some parents are that stupid. This is a special news report waiting to happen: "Tonight, a very special report: Kids spent thousands of dollars in one month on a game advertised as 'free'. The owners claim it's not gambling, but wait to you see it in action"+1 to this... But people are forgetting a small but crucial piece of the puzzle here...Something I'll save for the Times article thats coming up on this issue... Former Leader of The Tal Shiar Alliance - An Original Tip.it ClanMember of the Wilderness Guardians and Founder of the Silent GuardiansFounder of The Conclave - A Tip.it Clan institutionTip.it Times author (click for all my articles) - When I use the wrong reasons to make the right statement, argue the reason, not the statement.MSSW4 General - Did we kick your ass too?Check us out!==> No seriously, if you like FREE GP, XP and Dung tokens, as well as Community, Opportunity and above all FUN... <==CLICK IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnyuk Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Jmod logic. <_< Oh for pete's sake. That's not right at all. It's like saying Deal or No Deal isn't gambling because the least you could get would be the penny in the box. A loss is a relative term, wherein you end up with a reduced value in the things you own than you did before you played the game. 50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement. I've never seriously considered my future with this game, but now I am. EDIT: Fixed topic title. What's the big deal, noone is forcing you to buy spins, and by the looks of things they are pretty useless anyway, plus you get 2 free per day and some free drops, it's all good as far as I can see. Quit Runescape 10 jan 2007 - Playing again 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codecRS Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 hate to say it but mod timbo is techincally right http://www.youtube.com/codecrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephy_ Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Wonder how rare the spins are as a drop from monsters and do higher level enemies drop them more often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxpprod Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement. Except in deal or no deal, you actually have an offer [say, 50k] already on the table. This, you start with nothing. This, you start with the real world money you paid into buying the tickets. You are purchasing spins. You aren't spending money w/the POSSIBILITY of winning spins. It's a transaction. You pay, they provide with goods.Gambling, on the other hand, says that you pay and you MIGHT get the spins (and I'm not talking about the bonus spins, I'm talking a spin at all) but might not - and lets face it, with gambling, more often that not, it's the latter option. MICROTRANSACTION? SureGambling? Very, very, very sketchy at best trying to form an argument to support it. [bleep] OFF HOW ARE U SO [bleep]ING LUCKY U PIECE OF [bleep]ING SHIT [bleep] [bleep] [wagon] MUNCHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnyuk Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Wonder how rare the spins are as a drop from monsters and do higher level enemies drop them more often? I have just killed 200+ Elves and still no drop yet :( I only play RS to do clue scrolls so will let you know if I get a drop lol Quit Runescape 10 jan 2007 - Playing again 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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