Squeal of Fortune + Buyable Spins

[Kimberly]

I've edited the topic title to reflect that this a separate discussion about the Squeal update's affect on the game so as not to be confused with the Easter Update topic. Blame Jagex for a confusing newspost style :P

 

Thanks.

[Logdotzip]

uploaded my 300 spins, check first post, and some other vids here show more spins as well

[Bartoszowe]

Spin tickets are dropping on F2P worlds?

[Saradomin_Mage]

Spin tickets are dropping on F2P worlds?

Spin tickets are F2P items, so I'd imagine you can get them on F2P worlds from drops or skilling too.

[gametoffee]

For anyone that's interested:

 

Bought 225 spins; spun 263 times in total after opening all the double spin tickets.

 

Double spin tickets = (263-225)/2 =19; 7.22%

 

Small lamps (skill) = 29; 11.02%

 

Small lamps (choice) = 29; 11.02%

 

Medium lamps (skill) = 16; 6.08%

 

Medium lamps (choice) = 16; 6.08%

 

50g = 76; 28.90%

 

Not a terribly large sample of course, but from the preliminary numbers it seems that the number of skill and choice xp lamps you get have the same probability.

 

In a given set of 75 spins then, you'll get about 87-88 total spins, with 19-20 small lamps and 10-11 medium lamps, with about half of them allowing you to choose the skill.

[Bartoszowe]

Spin tickets are dropping on F2P worlds?

Spin tickets are F2P items, so I'd imagine you can get them on F2P worlds from drops or skilling too.

Thanks, 2 minutes ago ticket dropped me :)

[tripsis]

Suddenly it makes sense. Jagex mysteriously removed their status on Facebook linking to that microtransactions article saying "Jagex resists temptations to use microtransactions!" and the article was mysteriously edited. I thought nothing of it at the time but clearly it's because microtransactions were just an update away :rolleyes:

 

The JMods' justifications are laughable. Just because you can win 50gp DOES NOT mean you're "always winning." If your spins are free, yes, I can see the logic in that. But if you're PURCHASING spins, you're doing that not so you can win 50 gp. You're doing it so you can have a chance at winning one of the rare items or at least XP lamps. If you don't win those it is a loss because those are the only items actually worth having. If you spend $20 on spins and don't get enough items of worth, that money and those spins were wasted.

 

I'll use LOTRO as an example. In crafting you can either make a regular item or have a "critical success" and make an item worth a lot of money. The rub is that you have to use an expensive ingredient in order to make these items (regardless of the critical success or not). So let's say you buy 20 of these expensive items from their LOTRO Store. None of them crit. You can't argue that you "aren't gambling" because you always win that shit worthless non-crit item. The whole reason you crafted in the first place was to get the critical success item. Instead you walk off with worthless consolation 'prize.'

 

Same goes for RS. We're not spinning so we can win cabbages and 50 GP. If you pay for spins and that's all you get, you lost.

 

I was also going to complain massively about the credit card details being saved but it looks as though that might have been fixed? But if you still have to manually remove your card details that's a huge issue.

[Golvellius]

The influence of the investors now shows itself.

But seriously, I don't want to buy spins, I WANT TO BUY THE CRAP IN THE LOYALTY SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Boy, the dungeoning update was disappointing.

It doesn't matter how easy you make it to skill, the morons won't skill, won't make armour, won't do anything but die because the xp system needs rebalanced...

[gametoffee]

Suddenly it makes sense. Jagex mysteriously removed their status on Facebook linking to that microtransactions article saying "Jagex resists temptations to use microtransactions!" and the article was mysteriously edited. I thought nothing of it at the time but clearly it's because microtransactions were just an update away :rolleyes:

 

The JMods' justifications are laughable. Just because you can win 50gp DOES NOT mean you're "always winning." If your spins are free, yes, I can see the logic in that. But if you're PURCHASING spins, you're doing that not so you can win 50 gp. You're doing it so you can have a chance at winning one of the rare items or at least XP lamps. If you don't win those it is a loss because those are the only items actually worth having. If you spend $20 on spins and don't get enough items of worth, that money and those spins were wasted.

 

I'll use LOTRO as an example. In crafting you can either make a regular item or have a "critical success" and make an item worth a lot of money. The rub is that you have to use an expensive ingredient in order to make these items (regardless of the critical success or not). So let's say you buy 20 of these expensive items from their LOTRO Store. None of them crit. You can't argue that you "aren't gambling" because you always win that shit worthless non-crit item. The whole reason you crafted in the first place was to get the critical success item. Instead you walk off with worthless consolation 'prize.'

 

Same goes for RS. We're not spinning so we can win cabbages and 50 GP. If you pay for spins and that's all you get, you lost.

 

I was also going to complain massively about the credit card details being saved but it looks as though that might have been fixed? But if you still have to manually remove your card details that's a huge issue.

 

Their justification really is laughable. It's like saying casinos aren't gambling institutions if each machine/table awarded you a small sticker on each try.

[deyan2]

You're an idiot Logdotzip, but you did get me laughing ;)!

 

Anyway 200000000/509000= 393 393*80=31440 dollar for 200M rc xp ( and probably a bit more because 0 xp to 13M xp goes slower).

 

It's not cheap, but for some it might be worth it XD ;)!

[Danqazmlp]

surely this will be removed with haste?

[Will H]

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50gp is a loss, a Lucky Divine Spirit Shield is a win. This is not a negotiable statement.

 

Except in deal or no deal, you actually have an offer [say, 50k] already on the table. This, you start with nothing.

 

This, you start with the real world money you paid into buying the tickets.

 

You are purchasing spins. You aren't spending money w/the POSSIBILITY of winning spins. It's a transaction. You pay, they provide with goods.

Gambling, on the other hand, says that you pay and you MIGHT get the spins (and I'm not talking about the bonus spins, I'm talking a spin at all) but might not - and lets face it, with gambling, more often that not, it's the latter option.

 

MICROTRANSACTION? Sure

Gambling? Very, very, very sketchy at best trying to form an argument to support it.

[/hide]

 

Okay, let's just clear the fog a bit and lay out the exact situation that we're talking about.

 

1. Your free, twice/once a day free spin:

 

a. You log in -> b. You get your free allowance no matter what you have -> c. You spin -> d. You win the prizes.

 

This I have no problem with. There is nothing of value required to start this game, and indeed, every spin would be a win. From a. to d., the only path is an increase in value of what you own. Since there is only one direction, this is not gambling.

 

2. Paying for tickets for free spins:

 

e. You log in with money on your credit card -> f. You pay for the tickets. -> g. You spin -> h. You win a prize greater in value than the money you used to pay for the ticket. (e.g. 10M gp)

 

or

 

e. You log in with money on your credit card -> f. You pay for the tickets. -> g. You spin -> i. You win a prize lesser in value than the money you used to pay for the ticket. (e.g. 50gp)

 

Path e. to h. is a win, whereas path e. to i. is a loss, which represent an increase in the value of things you own and a decrease in value of the things you own respectively. Since there are two possible directions, this is gambling.

 

You're trying to confuse the matter by just talking about path e. to g., which is just a transaction and isn't where the gambling is.

 

And that, requires you to set a price on gold. And without one set by Jagex, who would be the only ones who could sell gold, there is no win at all. And without the element of uncertainty, it's not a gamble at all. You WILL lose.

 

RWTing sites can sell gold, and they do. They even have a fairly consistent agreement on the real-world value of a gold piece. Yes, to actually make the exchange breaks the rules and is completely against the spirit of the game, but that equivalence in value exists.

[deyan2]

Are tickets tradeble?

[Ts_Stormrage]

The instant your reasoning tells you that this is not gambling, it will tell you that this is RWT...

 

It is at these times that I wish I could write a Times article to be published no matter what day of the week it is...

[FIREWORKS]

Oh wow!

 

Delayed april fools ?!

[Logdotzip]

You're an idiot Logdotzip, but you did get me laughing ;)!

 

Anyway 200000000/509000= 393 393*80=31440 dollar for 200M rc xp ( and probably a bit more because 0 xp to 13M xp goes slower).

 

It's not cheap, but for some it might be worth it XD ;)!

 

Yeah after I bought it I said to myself

 

holy shit, I just spent eighty bucks on two rc levels

 

 

 

 

 

 

worth it

[Will H]

The instant your reasoning tells you that this is not gambling, it will tell you that this is RWT...

 

It is at these times that I wish I could write a Times article to be published no matter what day of the week it is...

 

Not that I have the final say in the matter, but I wouldn't object to a special edition outside the usual publication on the subject.

[Mercifull]

The instant your reasoning tells you that this is not gambling, it will tell you that this is RWT...

 

It is at these times that I wish I could write a Times article to be published no matter what day of the week it is...

Just post it now. It doesnt matter if it doesnt make it to a TipIt Times that people may or may not read. This thread is active now!

[DarkDude]

I was also going to complain massively about the credit card details being saved but it looks as though that might have been fixed? But if you still have to manually remove your card details that's a huge issue.

 

It has NOT been fixed.

 

 

Pressing the Buy Spins button in game takes you to a page asking you to select your country, then you're taken directly to that page with it looking like that. You press the Purchase button and that's it, you've just bought extra spins. No screen asking you to confirm or anything.

 

You need no details to do this, it doesn't even ask you for your password again or your security code on the card. So if your account gets hacked (or even if you leave it logged in at a friends house or whatever) they can press the buy spins button in game and then they're able to buy as many as they want with no further details.

[Ts_Stormrage]

Merci; you have no idea how much more exposure a Times issue gets compared to a forum thread.

 

Last week, for example, we saw 15k hits... I know you might think forum threads get similar amouts (this one is already over 5k), but don't forget that an article is but one post, not *checks* 174 by now...

This is due to a lot of readers that simply don't use the forums...

[RobocopIsWin]

I figured Jagex would find a way to add more SoF spins ingame...but didn't expect them to try and pull off this.

Dangit Jagex, one step forward, five steps back again. #-o

[Estoc]

 

added some jmod replies to the first page + here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So going by Timbo's logic, if real life casinos payed out 1 cent on a loss, then it's not gambling as you still receive a "prize"?

 

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I have to admit Jagex's strategy of slowly easing us into microtransactions was played brilliantly. I'm more amused by their complete inability to justify this while still abiding by their rules than mad over the update.

[Crossed_Body]

 

http://pastebin.com/gdQ1xEsA

 

 

Here you go, my record of 75+ spins. For science.

 

 

Total exp gains:

http://pastebin.com/iCcC2KiV

[Mercifull]

Merci; you have no idea how much more exposure a Times issue gets compared to a forum thread.

 

Last week, for example, we saw 15k hits... I know you might think forum threads get similar amouts (this one is already over 5k), but don't forget that an article is but one post, not *checks* 174 by now...

This is due to a lot of readers that simply don't use the forums...

Then post a synopsis here and the full article on sunday...

[tripsis]

I was also going to complain massively about the credit card details being saved but it looks as though that might have been fixed? But if you still have to manually remove your card details that's a huge issue.

 

It has NOT been fixed.

 

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Pressing the Buy Spins button in game takes you to a page asking you to select your country, then you're taken directly to that page with it looking like that. You press the Purchase button and that's it, you've just bought extra spins. No screen asking you to confirm or anything.

 

You need no details to do this, it doesn't even ask you for your password again or your security code on the card. So if your account gets hacked (or even if you leave it logged in at a friends house or whatever) they can press the buy spins button in game and then they're able to buy as many as they want with no further details.

I just tested it myself. You can click on "Manage Saved Cards" on that same page below your credit card details. You can then remove your credit card. I did that, logged back in, tried it again, and my card details were no longer there.