4th March - The World Wakes

[chenw]

EoC is dead in what way? Care to elaborate?

[Leon S]

i liek the idea of new quests, but eoc is dead.. the eco is horrible..thoughts?

 

What's horrible about the EoC?

[Rinc3Wind]

Quest looks pretty exciting

[Yoko Kurama]

I have had the problem described above by some, mostly when using Rapid Fire. It's really only a problem when using it at sohpisticated bosses. So for instance, I used it the other night against Automatons, which retaliated with their ground special attack. That hurt quite a bit...

[Quorra]

I have had the problem described above by some, mostly when using Rapid Fire. It's really only a problem when using it at sohpisticated bosses. So for instance, I used it the other night against Automatons, which retaliated with their ground special attack. That hurt quite a bit...

 

You are using range... Stand a bit further away and avoid the ground stomp.

[J35u5_M4]

Wow, I really enjoyed this quest, as much or maybe even more than WGS, the bad thing is that there was no voice acting, which I was expecting, but the scenes, the battles (Although easy for a maxed player with proper gear, were great), the music and the jaw-dropping finale, good one jagex, kudos to you

[Blutters]

Must you only complete the quest to kill automatons and have the Slayer level? Or is there something else?

[Yoko Kurama]

I have had the problem described above by some, mostly when using Rapid Fire. It's really only a problem when using it at sohpisticated bosses. So for instance, I used it the other night against Automatons, which retaliated with their ground special attack. That hurt quite a bit...

 

You are using range... Stand a bit further away and avoid the ground stomp.

 

Well, yes obviously that's the ideal solution and that's what I did for most of the trip. But that happened at the beginning of my first range trip where I was still adjusting (also, I had unwittingly attacked multiple Automatons with an area-special). I only offered it as an example, Automatons were probably a poor example since that scenario can be avoided, but I think you get general idea.

[strilmus]

given that the automatons are identical from the quest, there's pretty much no excuse for not knowing about all of the risks unless you are geared out to kill them so fast that it doesn't matter

 

alternatively, players of that level should have already had enough training with the eoc system to know how the most commonly applied moves work

[Randox]

I feel like, looking back on the quest, I never really got fully into the tactics. On the one hand, I have some abliity to pick (and use) abilities that are appropriate to the task at hand, but at maxed melee (and 86 mage, 80 range) I still had to resort to using defensive abilities to bring my survivability up far enough to beat all my problems over the head until they yield. Then again, I suppose the point of the whole system is that not every approach is viable, and since I decided to forget about the combat triangle for the entirety of the quest, being hard to kill was probably my best bet. The best fight was the one where I had no food left and about a thousand health. I sometimes feel like I take less damage when low on health, since I survived a lot longer than I was expecting to without food.

[strilmus]

that being said, there were full restore stations and a bank available for the entire defenders segment save for the laughably easy final stand, so if you chose to force your way through with one loadout (against bosses whose attack types were explained beforehand), then you had to deal with it

[Yoko Kurama]

given that the automatons are identical from the quest, there's pretty much no excuse for not knowing about all of the risks unless you are geared out to kill them so fast that it doesn't matter

 

Actually, that's precisely how my quest went. I didn't use any guides and was able to dispose of the Automatons really quickly.

 

Edit: Another thing I didn't quite know post-quest was whether you could fight more than 1 at a time or not (I assumed they work similarly to Glacors). In any case, Automatons was just a single anecdotal case that was fresh in my memory. It was hardly the sole reason as to why some specials might be problematic.

[Tim]

Must you only complete the quest to kill automatons and have the Slayer level? Or is there something else?

 

and Chosen Commander Quest.

 

as for range/mage, just safespot them so you don't need to worry about the special attacks.

[Miss Lioness]

Must you only complete the quest to kill automatons and have the Slayer level? Or is there something else?

 

You actually need to have the full requirements list. Aka have advanced to the 6th Age.

[Noobzy]

My thoughts on the quest:

 

[spoiler=Spoilers] My thoughts:

• I note that zammy wasn't involved. Strictly speaking we haven't seen zammy before, whereas we had seen sara before in a cutscene. I wouldn't be surprised if next GM quest is zaros-zammy storyline.
  
• I also expect a dragonkin-sliske storyline. He made a deal to gain access to the elder weapon that we now call Armadyl's staff. Could it be that the dragonkin also wanted Guthix dead because he used the stone of jas?
  
• Sidetrack: do we know the exact connection between dragonkin and SoJ already? I mean, who was Jas, how did he enslave the dragonkin, etc.
  
• Ok so now the player is immune to god magic. If I were a god, I would simply avoid me and go about me business. It is not like we gained god-like powers - gods can teleport everywhere and still kill whoever oppose them, except for us. We are still as vulnerable to physical damage from say Nex and Char - so I consider ourselves more of an oddity now than that I see a clear path how the player shall stop the gods from returning?
  
• Guthix allowed Sliske to kill him. He could have chosen any other scenario... but no, he choose Sliske to kill him. If he was really tired of Gielinor, he could have anyone kill him. It is not that he was 'suicidal' - he had a scenario in mind and this is what the scenario looked like. What also slightly boggles me is that Sliske really thought he could kill Guthix? I mean, he did, but only because Guthix allowed him. Could it be that Sliske and Guthix also had a pact? The Sliske storyline could be immensly big - if he, the dragonkin and Guthix were all in it to create the starting blocks for what is to come?
  
• Zaros looking for a host body... well, it won't be us - at least not for long - but it might be Azzanadra? Jagex gave themselves a lot of options here... why not involve Kennith? Jagex specifically choose a question about Kennith to answer. I am sure they had a reason to do so - namely to bring Kennith back into the picture and relate him to this part of the RS lore. We almost know for sure he is Icyene, right?
  
• Zammy (again) - what is he waiting for? He is more or less the god that has been least visible in all past quests now. Zaros we even heard through the portal but zammy stays quite far away. Do you think zammy will simply be defeated by Zaros and his followers? It would fit RS lore and Jagex's whole idea about wrong and right. I mean, no way that there will be a storyline where zammy comes back and defeats Zaros again lol.
  

 

 

[Yoko Kurama]

[hide]

The Sliske-Dragonkin alliance is looking more and more plausible. See, I had initially thought that Sliske returned to the Ritual site and gathered the Staff and got the orb through killing Glacors or something, but upon checking back the ROTM, it seems the Dragonkin flew away with the Staff. So Sliske must have made some sort of bargain. The scenario suggested by Noobzy also seems possible but not plausible: that the Dragonkin might have wanted Guthix dead for he too was a "False User" (It is doubtful that Jas wanted Guthix to use the stone). But Guthix used the Stone thousands of years ago. I think the Dragonkin would hardly be worried about that now. I mean, the Player is also a "False User" but the Dragonkin let him live.

 

Where is this discussion about Zaros looking for a host body coming from? I don't remember reading about that in the lore, did I miss something? Was it directly mentioned in the lore, or is it a passing speculation on the part of players? I am of the view that Guthix's powers came from within him rather than any biological or molecular structure, like his body; thus he was able to assume any form that he wanted. Therefore, his left-over body can't be much use since it has no Godly powers within it, it's no more useful than any other bodies.

[/hide]

[Sy_Accursed]

My thoughts on the quest:

 

[spoiler=Spoilers] My thoughts:

• I note that zammy wasn't involved. Strictly speaking we haven't seen zammy before, whereas we had seen sara before in a cutscene. I wouldn't be surprised if next GM quest is zaros-zammy storyline.
  
• I also expect a dragonkin-sliske storyline. He made a deal to gain access to the elder weapon that we now call Armadyl's staff. Could it be that the dragonkin also wanted Guthix dead because he used the stone of jas?
  
• Sidetrack: do we know the exact connection between dragonkin and SoJ already? I mean, who was Jas, how did he enslave the dragonkin, etc.
  
• Ok so now the player is immune to god magic. If I were a god, I would simply avoid me and go about me business. It is not like we gained god-like powers - gods can teleport everywhere and still kill whoever oppose them, except for us. We are still as vulnerable to physical damage from say Nex and Char - so I consider ourselves more of an oddity now than that I see a clear path how the player shall stop the gods from returning?
  
• Guthix allowed Sliske to kill him. He could have chosen any other scenario... but no, he choose Sliske to kill him. If he was really tired of Gielinor, he could have anyone kill him. It is not that he was 'suicidal' - he had a scenario in mind and this is what the scenario looked like. What also slightly boggles me is that Sliske really thought he could kill Guthix? I mean, he did, but only because Guthix allowed him. Could it be that Sliske and Guthix also had a pact? The Sliske storyline could be immensly big - if he, the dragonkin and Guthix were all in it to create the starting blocks for what is to come?
  
• Zaros looking for a host body... well, it won't be us - at least not for long - but it might be Azzanadra? Jagex gave themselves a lot of options here... why not involve Kennith? Jagex specifically choose a question about Kennith to answer. I am sure they had a reason to do so - namely to bring Kennith back into the picture and relate him to this part of the RS lore. We almost know for sure he is Icyene, right?
  
• Zammy (again) - what is he waiting for? He is more or less the god that has been least visible in all past quests now. Zaros we even heard through the portal but zammy stays quite far away. Do you think zammy will simply be defeated by Zaros and his followers? It would fit RS lore and Jagex's whole idea about wrong and right. I mean, no way that there will be a storyline where zammy comes back and defeats Zaros again lol.
  

 

 

 

 

• Zammy was involved in the sense that Kril was present, in the same way Armadyl and Bandos were involved via their champions.
  
• Already mentioned in FAQ Sliske/Dragonkin further lore/quest in the works soon
  
• The Dragonkin are tied to the Stone of Jas by Guthix in order to protect it from being abused. When it is used by 'false users' it causes a rage within them which some are unable to control (the 3 seen in rotm) - many of the Dragonkin are working on ways to escape this, mostly via splicing their DNA with other creatures - The sea worm thing that isn the QBD was born this way as was the KBD, normal dragons were born via breeding the two all of these experiments are deemed failures due to too intellectual and peacefully, too rage fuelled etc. The one dragons we don;t have a confirmed source for is Fairy Dragons thought we do know Mr. Mordaut was made from Fairy Dragon's
  
• The player is meant to deal with the God's precisely because the God's cannot touch them - we are in a unique position that is both useful and dangerous to them. Also FAQs hinted the god magic immunity isn't the only power we gained, theres other to be unveiled later on.
  
• What says Guthix choose Guthix? He only allowed it to happen because in his slumber he saw with him there Gielinor could not be truly free of god's and with his hiding place unveiled and cracked open he could only die or start a mass war trying to survive against all the other god factions.
  
• Kennith has 'considerable powers' but we have no idea of why or how and he is not Icyene. The half-human half-icyene guy is Safalaan from the myreque series who is confirmed to be the son of Queen Efarity (and Icyene).
  
• What Zammy is waiting for will probably be unveiled soon - FAQs hinted Saradomin is the only one back thus far because all the others either have something else in their way or have wandered far from the world. I'd be inclined to say; given the Zamorakian minority remaining Zamorak has wandered a bit and has other Saradominist blocks to overcome but that is likely where Myreque, Bilrach or maybe Elves are leading us. Also I doubt Zaros will just destroy him firstly our purpose is to try and stop God's doing such damage to the world and secondly with Zamorak being a fully fledged God he's not going to be easy to kill - This quest afterall established to kill a god you need an Elder Artefact.

 

@Above check the FAQ on the rsof that is where many of the new topics od discussion stem from.

[Yoko Kurama]

[hide]I thought it was Jas, not Guthix, who created the Dragonkin and bound them to the Stone? [/hide]

[Noobzy]

[spoiler=Elder weapon]Hmm, so maybe we should acquire another elder weapon :) gives us just a bit more convincing power when dealing with gods? Who knows - we may just be able to reforge the broken sword Guthix used to slay a god in the first place...?

My thoughts on the quest:

 

[spoiler=Spoilers] My thoughts:

• I note that zammy wasn't involved. Strictly speaking we haven't seen zammy before, whereas we had seen sara before in a cutscene. I wouldn't be surprised if next GM quest is zaros-zammy storyline.
  
• I also expect a dragonkin-sliske storyline. He made a deal to gain access to the elder weapon that we now call Armadyl's staff. Could it be that the dragonkin also wanted Guthix dead because he used the stone of jas?
  
• Sidetrack: do we know the exact connection between dragonkin and SoJ already? I mean, who was Jas, how did he enslave the dragonkin, etc.
  
• Ok so now the player is immune to god magic. If I were a god, I would simply avoid me and go about me business. It is not like we gained god-like powers - gods can teleport everywhere and still kill whoever oppose them, except for us. We are still as vulnerable to physical damage from say Nex and Char - so I consider ourselves more of an oddity now than that I see a clear path how the player shall stop the gods from returning?
  
• Guthix allowed Sliske to kill him. He could have chosen any other scenario... but no, he choose Sliske to kill him. If he was really tired of Gielinor, he could have anyone kill him. It is not that he was 'suicidal' - he had a scenario in mind and this is what the scenario looked like. What also slightly boggles me is that Sliske really thought he could kill Guthix? I mean, he did, but only because Guthix allowed him. Could it be that Sliske and Guthix also had a pact? The Sliske storyline could be immensly big - if he, the dragonkin and Guthix were all in it to create the starting blocks for what is to come?
  
• Zaros looking for a host body... well, it won't be us - at least not for long - but it might be Azzanadra? Jagex gave themselves a lot of options here... why not involve Kennith? Jagex specifically choose a question about Kennith to answer. I am sure they had a reason to do so - namely to bring Kennith back into the picture and relate him to this part of the RS lore. We almost know for sure he is Icyene, right?
  
• Zammy (again) - what is he waiting for? He is more or less the god that has been least visible in all past quests now. Zaros we even heard through the portal but zammy stays quite far away. Do you think zammy will simply be defeated by Zaros and his followers? It would fit RS lore and Jagex's whole idea about wrong and right. I mean, no way that there will be a storyline where zammy comes back and defeats Zaros again lol.
  

 

 

 

 

• Zammy was involved in the sense that Kril was present, in the same way Armadyl and Bandos were involved via their champions.
  
• Already mentioned in FAQ Sliske/Dragonkin further lore/quest in the works soon
  
• The Dragonkin are tied to the Stone of Jas by Guthix in order to protect it from being abused. When it is used by 'false users' it causes a rage within them which some are unable to control (the 3 seen in rotm) - many of the Dragonkin are working on ways to escape this, mostly via splicing their DNA with other creatures - The sea worm thing that isn the QBD was born this way as was the KBD, normal dragons were born via breeding the two all of these experiments are deemed failures due to too intellectual and peacefully, too rage fuelled etc. The one dragons we don;t have a confirmed source for is Fairy Dragons thought we do know Mr. Mordaut was made from Fairy Dragon's
  
• The player is meant to deal with the God's precisely because the God's cannot touch them - we are in a unique position that is both useful and dangerous to them. Also FAQs hinted the god magic immunity isn't the only power we gained, theres other to be unveiled later on.
  
• What says Guthix choose Guthix? He only allowed it to happen because in his slumber he saw with him there Gielinor could not be truly free of god's and with his hiding place unveiled and cracked open he could only die or start a mass war trying to survive against all the other god factions.
  
• Kennith has 'considerable powers' but we have no idea of why or how and he is not Icyene. The half-human half-icyene guy is Safalaan from the myreque series who is confirmed to be the son of Queen Efarity (and Icyene).
  
• What Zammy is waiting for will probably be unveiled soon - FAQs hinted Saradomin is the only one back thus far because all the others either have something else in their way or have wandered far from the world. I'd be inclined to say; given the Zamorakian minority remaining Zamorak has wandered a bit and has other Saradominist blocks to overcome but that is likely where Myreque, Bilrach or maybe Elves are leading us. Also I doubt Zaros will just destroy him firstly our purpose is to try and stop God's doing such damage to the world and secondly with Zamorak being a fully fledged God he's not going to be easy to kill - This quest afterall established to kill a god you need an Elder Artefact.

 

@Above check the FAQ on the rsof that is where many of the new topics od discussion stem from.

 

Very good points there.

[Noobzy]

[hide]I thought it was Jas, not Guthix, who created the Dragonkin and bound them to the Stone? [/hide]

 

That is also what I thought...

[Sy_Accursed]

Yeah my bad on that one I meant Jas not Guthix - too much Guthix on the brain in this thread!

[Urza285]

Was this quest voiced? I thought my computer bugged out and if it wasn't thats awfully sad.

[brunokiller]

Nope.

[Ambler]

Nope.

Dislike button.

Thought it would have probably added another month or two to dev time. :unsure:

[Kaida23]

So the reworked Prince Ali and Doric quests got voiced and one of the biggest storyline quests in ages wasn't?

 

I guess they only need to try and impress people before they buy membership.