25-Mar-2013 - Wilderness Warbands

[Emaxganis]

It's nearly impossible to get into one of the warband friends chat these days, and even if you do, you are quite likely to be kicked for people who pay the owner for VIP priority access. It's become quite frustrating.

Shared worlds+cape = Win

[Ts_Stormrage]

All they need to do to make it a proper nerf is to still have the times it appears happen randomly; but when the warband does happen, it appears across all the worlds simultaneously...

[Ammako]

All they need to do to make it a proper nerf is to still have the times it appears happen randomly; but when the warband does happen, it appears across all the worlds simultaneously...

Wouldn't the friend's chats just congregate into one single world, repeating what is currently happening?

[Aiel]

What skill do you think is best after mining? I know ideally I should stop mining now and finish it with warbands, but I can't bring myself to stopping when it's so close zzz.

 

I am tempted to do farm, but that's probably the worst choice. But gp is not an issue for me, so the buyables are not much better. Any opinions?

smithing probably, it's the most expensive and slowest of the buyables available.

[aspeeder]

Huh, just did this for the first time today. Much easier than I thought it would be for 300k farm exp, only annoying thing was a bit of a wait time. I'm kinda sad I didn't push myself to do this before, but oh well better late than never.

[Ammako]

Huh, just did this for the first time today. Much easier than I thought it would be for 300k farm exp, only annoying thing was a bit of a wait time. I'm kinda sad I didn't push myself to do this before, but oh well better late than never.

Omgawd, we're like the same!

I'd probably be at the very least 92 herblore had I started doing this on release date.

[jayc3399]

http://gyazo.com/2cc8f8400a94666e1148bae7fbbc0ebb

[Sylpheed]

Long live WarbandScape.

[Wkw]

Welcome to Drygarbandscape

[Artemis1330]

Got to love when warbands goes perfectly and you can to do all 3 mining spots within 15mins. That 121k xp drop, mmmmmmmm.

[Bxpprod]

http://gyazo.com/2cc...148bae7fbbc0ebb

 

My jimmies remain unrustled.

[Miss Lioness]

That doesn't mean they don't plan on nerfing it in other ways! Perhaps limiting it to 1 warband/day ?

[Cheat]

That becomes a point of semantics - whether limiting the amount you can do Warbands is not effectively the same as limiting the amount of xp from Warbands.

[Quyneax]

They could still increase risk, by making stronger NPCs or increasing the cash value of resources. You could even get a system where killing someone carrying resources increases the number of resources available for you to loot. Something like: kill someone carrying 25, get cash and 5-10 more resources you can loot from the tents.

[Bxpprod]

They could leave it and let HLF rage for another 3 months.

[crazycdcm]

They could leave it and let HLF rage for another 3 months.

That's always good value for money.

[Sy_Accursed]

Are HLF whining about this?

 

God, sometimes they ought to stfu on things like this. They get all whiney cause something became easier than when they did it. And what? It doesn't effect you, you've done it stop trying to spoil it for others just because you want some fake 'prestige' to your achievement.

[Saradomin_Mage]

Are HLF whining about this?

 

God, sometimes they ought to stfu on things like this. They get all whiney cause something became easier than when they did it. And what? It doesn't effect you, you've done it stop trying to spoil it for others just because you want some fake 'prestige' to your achievement.

I don't think the whining's completely illegitimate, when you have a skill method with almost zero risk and cost that completely wipes out any other training method.

[Sy_Accursed]

Are HLF whining about this?

 

God, sometimes they ought to stfu on things like this. They get all whiney cause something became easier than when they did it. And what? It doesn't effect you, you've done it stop trying to spoil it for others just because you want some fake 'prestige' to your achievement.

I don't think the whining's completely illegitimate, when you have a skill method with almost zero risk and cost that completely wipes out any other training method.

 

Stop whining go pk since your maxed and in hlf.

Tada risk restored.

[Acherhar]

The only PKers at warbands are griefers and a select few going for the wand, most of which are all in the warband chats. I don't think most maxed players would waste their time pking for a paltry 100k or a 4m wand, especially when there's a full FC ready to kill you. I do warbands every day, and while I enjoy the overly gratuitous exp, I certainly can't deny that it's over the top. I don't know how you can't see how ridiculous it is to get around 300k exp a day in barely any time and practically non-existent risk or cost.

[Quyneax]

It's not possible to PK someone under protection of a friends chat so busy as the ones in use for warbands without a team so big that the profit would be extremely minor. That is something Jagex ought to adress. Giving PKers some xp would be good. Even if it's something like 1k slayer xp per resource item killed, or bonus loot from tents. If a fully loaded player is worth 10-25k slayer xp, it's definitely worth just randomly killing them.

[constrictor]

It's not possible to PK someone under protection of a friends chat so busy as the ones in use for warbands without a team so big that the profit would be extremely minor. That is something Jagex ought to adress. Giving PKers some xp would be good. Even if it's something like 1k slayer xp per resource item killed, or bonus loot from tents. If a fully loaded player is worth 10-25k slayer xp, it's definitely worth just randomly killing them.

 

Buying resource pks for 99 slayer

[Saradomin_Mage]

Are HLF whining about this?

 

God, sometimes they ought to stfu on things like this. They get all whiney cause something became easier than when they did it. And what? It doesn't effect you, you've done it stop trying to spoil it for others just because you want some fake 'prestige' to your achievement.

I don't think the whining's completely illegitimate, when you have a skill method with almost zero risk and cost that completely wipes out any other training method.

 

Stop whining go pk since your maxed and in hlf.

Tada risk restored.

This is hardly a whine, but I suppose I will have to concede to your flawless argument there Mr. English major.

 

It's also you're btw.

 

E:

Just so that my post isn't as pointless as yours, I'd like to ask: what's the risk involved in doing warbands?

From my understanding, you're risking 5 minutes of your time and under 10k in gear in exchange for around 80k XP in a stat, which is similar to:

 

- 50 minutes of Mining

- 1M+ GP in adamant platebody losses for Smithing

- 1M+ GP in overload costs for Herblore

- 1M+ GP in mahogany tables for Construction

- Probably 200k or so in fruit seeds for Farming

 

Don't forget the time spent for the longer activities like smithing 256 adamant platebodies.

 

Have you ever failed warbands before (i.e. pked for supplies)? How often do you fail? 1 in 3? 1 in 12? Every time you get the Wand of Treachery?

 

What's the benefit to a pker who tries to kill you? 100k in supplies? What's the risk that he'll get decimated by the other 99 people in the FC, or the others in the spillover chat?

 

What then are the benefits to "skillers" doing warbands?

How do the XP rates hold up to other XP D&Ds?

 

Finally, given that the content was balanced with much higher risks anticipated and originally intended to be used every 8 hours, how should the balancing team react now that the risk has been almost completely eliminated (or reduced to the point of meaninglessness) as this D&D has become dominated by Warband FCs?

[Flyingjj]

Simplest fix in my mind: Make the number of resources lootable from a warband limited to say, 500(random number)(i.e., only 20 people could loot 25 resources from the camp until the camp is empty), and make it so that when you pk, you get the resources, not cash. That way, it becomes a competition for resources rather than an everyone can get their fill.

 

Not that I want this change, I like the exp, but if they were going to fix it, this would be it in my mind.

[Bxpprod]

Have you ever failed warbands before (i.e. pked for supplies)? How often do you fail? 1 in 3? 1 in 12? Every time you get the Wand of Treachery?

 

Had wand 3 times, now I don't loot til I see it go. Have had camps die mid-loot (solved by showing up on time). Fail (not 25/25) would be 1/25 camps, if that (over 2 accounts). Alot of people also don't realise that you can get PK'd and if you haven't looted the full 25, you can return (assuming still up) and finish looting what was left of the 25. (And get pk'd again like a champ)

 

What's the benefit to a pker who tries to kill you? 100k in supplies? What's the risk that he'll get decimated by the other 99 people in the FC, or the others in the spillover chat?

 

No real benefit other than griefing, which is obviously a personal "high" of sorts. Risk: High.

 

What then are the benefits to "skillers" doing warbands?

 

- No cash sink

- Relatively risk free (either as a 200 CBTer in an FC, or a Level 4 roaming alone).

 

How do the XP rates hold up to other XP D&Ds?

Troll invasion comes in (@99) at 931k/h (rounding down, assuming 5 minute Hard Mode, which is easily achieveable). However, the comparison shouldn't be made to others since rather than 3 times/day we're looking at monthly (even if it was 1 Warband/Month, it'd be superior over TI).

 

Finally, given that the content was balanced with much higher risks anticipated and originally intended to be used every 8 hours, how should the balancing team react now that the risk has been almost completely eliminated (or reduced to the point of meaninglessness) as this D&D has become dominated by Warband FCs?

 

Good luck. This design feeds into the clan mentality perfectly, most powerful controlling the area. Does the risk get reduced too far? Well, maybe, but there are always going to be ways to reduce the risks that weren't previously "thought of". Jagex seems to be notoriously bad at viewing things from a player perspective in that regard.