Why has pest control ruined Runescape?

[x_bow80]

The point is that you don't deserve 99 range without ranging, you don't deserve 99 pray without spending a penny, you don't deserve 99 mage without sitting down and doing 10k alchs or spells, just by doing melee you get all 99 stats suddenly and you become an idiot and don't care about anyone or anything. Then suddenly here comes arrogant people who own and think they are all that because they got those stats in 2 months using pc. Woop-dee doo jagex thanks for making cb even more disgraceful to the people that spent months upon years or 100s of mil getting that 99 prayer. The fact is that making everything easier ruined it for tons of old high levels. Imagine you get 99 range right now and suddenly people can get 99 range in a day ( not possible with pc talking about with a new method thats unbelievably fast, but 99 range is possible in a week if playing nonstop)? If you care about runescape at all you wouldn't be feeling the greatest now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every thing u just said was not true at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And people can get xp how they want. Dont flam them because they get it fast.

[Defender2516]

Funny.. people are always making guides on the most "efficient" training area...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now when Pest Control becomes the most efficient for noobs and higher levels.. there's a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

heh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I am happy for a faster experience area and the money it will not cost me to train prayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or.. maybe its alot of high level babies who did things the hard way.. now that its easier, they are jealous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Drazon]

Anyone who thinks PC has ruined the game can bite me. It makes training combat more fun and quite a bit easier. Still, it may have increased the "Arrogant high-levels" problem.

[hiddendark]

Pest control was just an update to make combat skills easier to level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't around, but did everyone say whips ruined the game when they were released?

[Bloodredsword]

I luv pc :anxious: :-$ =P~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I do see what you mean. Although I really think the only way that is is ruining runescape is that it is increasing the number of pures. (Primarily melee/mage/range pures....wate...what else is there :P (

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway I think thats the main problem. Not necesarily the high levls. The pures stay low...thats my input

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

cheers :wink:

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

If you don't have the patience, then you shouldn't deserve it. And besides it's not like it takes 2 yrs without pc, it just takes a yr or less which is proper for all 99 stats. It's not so much about having a life as it is respect for the people that worked hard, so many people take their elders/parents for granted and this is how new players are acting like the old players are some joke and that they are just as good doing everything the easy way when they are not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, my first comment was about waiting for a high level update. Sorry that the irony flew over your head.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Next, do you know what it was like to train on RSC? You know, before Pest Control, Slayer, not having to kill your opponent to gain experience, Rangers taking your kill, that sort of thing? If you were lucky you could max 40K experience an hour. Nowadays it's 65-90K an hour if you know where to go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've reiterated that it's always going to be respect that draws disagreement between PC and the conventional way I train. It may be a misunderstanding between you and I, I can't tell. But I still feel that players just need a little respect between one another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think we're on the same page with your last line. You're right when they say longer-term players are being taken for granted. Again, it all boils down to whether or not they respected the way things were, and whether or not we can respect the new change brought by PC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But I sure won't respect anyone who has a "I have 99s and you don't" mentality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The point is that you don't deserve 99 range without ranging, you don't deserve 99 pray without spending a penny, you don't deserve 99 mage without sitting down and doing 10k alchs or spells, just by doing melee you get all 99 stats suddenly and you become an idiot and don't care about anyone or anything. Then suddenly here comes arrogant people who own and think they are all that because they got those stats in 2 months using pc. Woop-dee doo jagex thanks for making cb even more disgraceful to the people that spent months upon years or 100s of mil getting that 99 prayer. The fact is that making everything easier ruined it for tons of old high levels. Imagine you get 99 range right now and suddenly people can get 99 range in a day ( not possible with pc talking about with a new method thats unbelievably fast, but 99 range is possible in a week if playing nonstop)? If you care about runescape at all you wouldn't be feeling the greatest now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for repeating another way I feel.

[i_D_r]

skipped over posts so excuse me if its been said

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

my problem with pc is that the best way to level many combat related things is pc, right? so the logical choice for the people who know this is to do pc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pc offers almost none of what 'training' offers; the 120s that ive heard ask for where a common city is exemplifies this (they don't explore, get to know the games other mechanics and substance, etc.). Rather, it bothers me the best way to level is pc as it offers no knowledge of the game Do I have a problem with this? Not really, as I don't talk to anyone anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Although on the upside, it has shown to be quite positive for productivity of elite teams that go to boss monsters, or staking (was impossible for 120s to stake at one point, as it was hard to find someone your level), and now, the 120 elites have created a system of dueling (hi, fight? pot) in a sense at the edge of wild. In a sense, PC did kill the total pointless time used to train up to 120s, and now people have time to do the things that matter.

[Moefoe]

Reason for the Immaturity Of Some High lvls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also the real trainers have less to show if you have 99 in all cb skills, Because everyone will just say you 'PC'D' It.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Example

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was friends with a level 90, We got into a fight.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2months later he pmed me calling me a noob cause he had higher Str, stateing he PC'D it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PC is lame.

[zaquierming]

 

The point is that you don't deserve 99 range without ranging, you don't deserve 99 pray without spending a penny, you don't deserve 99 mage without sitting down and doing 10k alchs or spells, just by doing melee you get all 99 stats suddenly and you become an idiot and don't care about anyone or anything. Then suddenly here comes arrogant people who own and think they are all that because they got those stats in 2 months using pc. Woop-dee doo jagex thanks for making cb even more disgraceful to the people that spent months upon years or 100s of mil getting that 99 prayer. The fact is that making everything easier ruined it for tons of old high levels. Imagine you get 99 range right now and suddenly people can get 99 range in a day ( not possible with pc talking about with a new method thats unbelievably fast, but 99 range is possible in a week if playing nonstop)? If you care about runescape at all you wouldn't be feeling the greatest now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every thing u just said was not true at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And people can get xp how they want. Dont flam them because they get it fast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure you'd have a different outlook if you hadn't used Pest Control yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaos, you make an excellent point and I agree with you 100%.

[Fresi]

well this new hig lvl player (higer than me) im lvl 99 now and they are trying to corect me whit fals information... as if they knew more about the game whit theyr one year of les information and -300 in total compared to me.....

 

 

 

i just hate it when they think thayr so much smarted becose they got a hig lvl acc...

 

 

 

and [garden tool] whants som hig lvl pc gamer runing by when doing slayer yelling noob..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as long as thers pc im going to ignor ewery combat lvl skiller.....

 

 

 

and let me asure u lvls dont make tthe player!

 

 

 

i got a friend lvl 26!! whit a tottal of 530+ that knows more about the game than i do! this is becose his reading the forums and knowlage basses and so on..

 

 

 

let me point out to u that new hig lvl players offen asks such things that u may find at knowlagbase in a mather of sec...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think pc is a funy game but i think they shold change the revard systemm... and fast!

[Lugia_Lvl138]

Also the real trainers have less to show if you have 99 in all cb skills, Because everyone will just say you 'PC'D' It.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since when does PC gives Slayer EXP? By the time I have 99 all melee stats, my slayer will easily be in the 90s. The fact that I have 86 Slayer now shows that i'm not a pc noob(or a 24/7 abyssal demon camper). The only thing i've pced is some mage exp because alching was getting boring. Until PC gives slayer EXP, I have a way to show that i'm not a pc noob. If PC ever does give slayer EXP, I will be one of the many to rant.

[Defianceofgo]

After reading this thread, I decided to play it for a bit....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and... well to be quite frank... its impossible for it to have really ruined anything x.x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I play for 2 hours... and out of those 2 hours... I only won once... than got my 552 exp from that one win for ATK.... didn't really help at all =/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So IMO... PC is for those who are realyl lucky or high lvls who just want to lvl up some skills for free IE Prayer

[Golvellius]

Well, "pest control product" is what you call somebody instead of noob who is higher level than you. (Or at least thats how its used.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its dumb.

 

 

 

Dumber than the non-word, baby talk, "noob" or "nub" or "froob" etc.

 

 

 

When pest control came out, everybody was praising it like the second coming of Jesus.

 

 

 

It was fun, it was fresh, it gave great xp.

 

 

 

People were saying "Yay, now I can get 94 magic and barrage".

 

 

 

And they did...

 

 

 

Then half a year later these people look around and realize that alot of other people got it in the same way too.

 

 

 

Then they start badmouthing pest control and training slayer a little bit so they can think they are somehow better if they have 60 or 70ish slayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I went to PC got a few million xp there.

 

 

 

I still goto pest control for fun sometimes.

 

 

 

Got my guthix mace recently, call me a pc product if you want.

 

 

 

But we all know who the "noob" is. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, so is somebody that afk trained at the axe hut or bandits somehow a real trainer over a PC product?

 

 

 

Cause that was the in-thing to do before pest control?

[Moefoe]

 

Also the real trainers have less to show if you have 99 in all cb skills, Because everyone will just say you 'PC'D' It.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since when does PC gives Slayer EXP? By the time I have 99 all melee stats, my slayer will easily be in the 90s. The fact that I have 86 Slayer now shows that i'm not a pc noob(or a 24/7 abyssal demon camper). The only thing i've pced is some mage exp because alching was getting boring. Until PC gives slayer EXP, I have a way to show that i'm not a pc noob. If PC ever does give slayer EXP, I will be one of the many to rant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I Didnt mean slayer, I dont see that as a combat skill.. why? because it dosent raise your combat.

[Jorgen]

I completely despise training in Pest Control. It has ruined Runescape because a lot of people train there to get high combat levels, yet they are using an advantage and they have to train a lot less, than a player who levels combat stats on monsters, without Pest Control. As I've been playing Runescape since classic, I hate the complaining 'OMG MELEE IS SO HARD', yeah right, in Runescape classic finding a spot with 25-40K experience per hour was a huge success, in Runescape 2 not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also I seem to find that so-called Pest Control products are a bit arrogant and selfish. They think they have to be respected a lot, yet they used an easier way to level and don't earn the levels in my eyes.

[jessy87]

yea, i dont disagree with convenience being a good thing, but its not always the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lets look at two simple things, computers and cars. to be very simple electricity and gasoline are what powers 1 and the other. in perfect working condition simple maintence will keep things working for a while. now thats like if you PC'ed all your lvls, you did what you had to do, with no knowledge of how/why it works. and more importantly how to fix it if it breaks. not every1 knows how to reinstall their OS or a motherboard, or fix a flat tire or change spark plugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what is good about runescape to, it isnt as complex as a car, it cant be broken forever unlike a computer or car where a surge of electricity or lack of fluids would ruin the base product.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its not fair to group PC products as dumb, but its true that it has made some people of a higher lvl combat remain uneducated. thats their problem, until i have to listen to them think they are my equal. really, i pced some exp but not all of it. i was 113 pure combat after about 1 year of playing this game. then pc came out. and i edge my way into a few goal lvls i had aimed for. like i was 90 melee stats and 60ish prayer i became 99 str within a week and then meleed my 90 atk&def to 99's and 99hp as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i really wish PC wasnt a way of life so much as a side benefit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also I seem to find that so-called Pest Control products are a bit arrogant and selfish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

indeed. but id be arrogant either way.

[X3EN]

So, after reading everything about the pc, I went there. After I got my first 100 pp, I decided to spent them on hp xp. Got 66066 xp (59->61 or definetly 1,4lvl) and then I thought: WHAT A WASTE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, PC is good for midhigh levels (but str based and lvling a skill 70+) and people willing to waste millions for not the fastest way to get xp (especially those who mage). I don't talk about ranged because using rune or addy arrows is a total waste, and other arrows seem too, as you sometimes can't recover them and you wont be hitting high anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After reaching 48 tickets, changed my bow to a rune scimmy (30 str FTW!). I noticed the thing I had to notice: everything went extremely easy (especially 34+ str), I mostly ended rounds with more damage than using steel arrows, no money wasted and etc...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I HATE PC!

[Ghost-Knigth]

Because people now have the ability to make impossible character.

 

 

 

Seriously, I've seen a lvl 69 with; 99 ranged, 99 magic, 99 str and 99 hp (60 attack)..

 

 

 

Those stats would be almost impossible at such a low lvl. Hp training would take ages with ranged/str training.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too many pures out there now, that's why PC ruined RS.

[Turnpikes]

I don't think Pest Control has completely ruined the game. Pures are what is making it so bad. :-< But this is just my opinion. I hate macro'ers but some pures just make me want to, argh... I think if they put a higher combat level on it, it would be better. Like 70 or 80 maybe. :) Cheers. And myself, I honestly hate pest control. :)

[WookieeMania12]

:groans: I think I understand the point you are making, but it doesn't matter what lvl you are, you WILL hear, "Z0mG! I P0WN J00!!". Best thing to do is ignore it and not blaming it on PC. After all, PC does not encourage people to use stupid leet.

[rft]

I can see both sides of this argument, trembake is right when he says that people just used to camp out at the bandits or axe hut for quick xp before. The influx of high levels is one of my strongest motivations to get high slayer. To me this is a great skill as it shows that you have experience killing monsters and experimenting with different combat styles (range, mage).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I do feel that is pretty ridiculous that you can get high mage and range having never fired a bow. Clearly, though, the amound of xp that you would get would be tiny as it is your level squared/6, so a level 1 ranger would get 1/6xp in ranged! PC only really starts to make a big difference to training when you get a skill to ~70+ as the xp is pretty fast then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To give some numbers, comparing a 40 str and an 80 str. Every hundred points, the 40 gets 29.3k xp, the level 80 gets 117k xp. Bear in mind that it will take the best part of 2 hours to get 100 points, so you are comparing about 15k xp an hour to 60k xp an hour for the different levels. Bearing in mind that the 40 will probably take longer to finish games, or may not get the required zeal, this is really pretty slow xp (maybe 3-4 hours for 100 points).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, it is really not good xp for levelling low skills. I am amazed that so many level 40's still go to PC - the xp is really terrible!

[Adam007]

I like how people are voting on the new poll that out of all new skills, if they could pick, they'd want one that helped you level combat. Granted it was only 8%, but I'm surprised anyone would pick that with pest control and everything.

[WookieeMania12]

probably has to do with no risk involved and so I believe because the XP is awful for PC, they don't want to buy food or so on so they use PC.

[meili]

Anyway, I hate pest control and IMO<<<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously a mini-game that removes the need for many important elements of training will ruin the game. I don't know what on earth Jagex were thinking of, unless they just want everything to be noob-friendly and dumbed down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can Jagex allow players to get 99 magic without ever using a single rune of casting a single spell? Same for range and prayer. It just makes no sense at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those who had previously trained these skills no longer have a sense of accomplishment now that any poor player can pc any combat skill.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How would the skillers feel if a new "skill" mini-game were released that gave the fastest exp for every skill? Then noobs could get 99 fishing, cooking, crafting, smithing, herblore, etc without ever learning how to fish, cook, crafting, smith or mix potions!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would be madness and I hope that shows you how previously high leveled players feel about pc.

[luker2d2]

i get bored to easily so i never do it for more than 40- points.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people choose to play it but there has be a conspiracy that theres going to be an update.