My issues with Athiests.

[Mercifull]

I chuckled when I read the title. But it really isn't helping, just making more resentment and even dumber stereotypes between Christians and non-Christians.

 

Just let it die, take the slugging to where it came from and not make new threads.

 

Oh for the record, preaching isn't shoving religion down someone's throat, to the many people who seem to have that kind of idea.

What about preaching in a public space, surely that's invasive?

[Tbfgraphx14]

You are trying to figure out who is better, and you are really ragging on the negatives of each belief :|

 

 

 

By the way, what would be a bigger debate in OT, Presidential Election 2008 or Religion? :-k

 

 

 

Just if you needed it, "Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

[One Too Far]

In one corner, we have the PEOPLE WHO ATTEMPT TO FIND REASON AND LOGIC IN THE WORLD.

 

 

 

In the other corner we have the PEOPLE WHO BELIVE WHATEVER A 2,000 YEAR OLD BOOK TELLS THEM TO.

 

 

 

Who will win this ultimate deathmatch?

 

 

 

thats just a crazy way to think... what i know of christians(wich i think your refering to here) are just trying to find reason and logic in the world trough the bible and following what christ teached the world.

[underu2000]

I chuckled when I read the title. But it really isn't helping, just making more resentment and even dumber stereotypes between Christians and non-Christians.

 

Just let it die, take the slugging to where it came from and not make new threads.

 

Oh for the record, preaching isn't shoving religion down someone's throat, to the many people who seem to have that kind of idea.

What about preaching in a public space, surely that's invasive?

 

Well, they need permits to do that, at least in the US. But honestly, how many preachers do you see giving sermons in the street anyway? It's just a stereotype that Christians forcibly make people believe in the religion.

[Satenza]

Barley any Christians have "pushed" their beliefs onto me. I mean my father is Catholic as are his side of the family, my mother and her side are atheist. Both sides have never tried to convert me (bar one cousin and she quickly understood my reasons). I mean, i did go through catholic schooling since 5 to 16 then into a Catholic College. Although i doubt that was to force me to accept christianity, they did what they thought was correct. I am now agnostic leaning towards atheism.

 

 

 

The only person who tries (continually) to aline me with his religion is my neighbour who is a doctor. Probably one of the nicest people I have ever met . He invites me to church ceremonys and things but i always decline.

 

 

 

Maybe in England it's different but i really do hardly see anyone try to push anything onto me. Most of my friends are catholic, well would identify themselves as catholic and have never attempted to convert me or anything. I think the whole pushing of religious people is very over exaggerated.

[greenslime89]

I don't agree with people who push religion on us, but Christmas does bring people together. The reasons might be wrong, but if you're looking at this purely from the utilitarian point of view, you could say that this is a great thing. Lots of people are happy. Isn't that a good thing?

 

 

 

Plus, because 'tis the season, people can be more charitable and help ease the suffering in the third world.

 

 

 

What ever the reasons for Atheists celebrating Christmas, the result is good so why complain?

[Wisp]

I am an atheist, though i celebrate christmas more as a family thing. my old school celebrated kwanzaa, and no offence, but every year we had to do some stupid speech about mlk or rosa parks or something, it got really old. I doubt any teachers even celebrated kwanzaa out of school.

 

I disagree with this topic, though it's a good dsicussion

[Nom]

Barley any Christians have "pushed" their beliefs onto me. I mean my father is Catholic as are his side of the family, my mother and her side are atheist. Both sides have never tried to convert me (bar one cousin and she quickly understood my reasons). I mean, i did go through catholic schooling since 5 to 16 then into a Catholic College. Although i doubt that was to force me to accept christianity, they did what they thought was correct. I am now agnostic leaning towards atheism.

 

 

 

The only person who tries (continually) to aline me with his religion is my neighbour who is a doctor. Probably one of the nicest people I have ever met . He invites me to church ceremonys and things but i always decline.

 

 

 

Maybe in England it's different but i really do hardly see anyone try to push anything onto me. Most of my friends are catholic, well would identify themselves as catholic and have never attempted to convert me or anything. I think the whole pushing of religious people is very over exaggerated.

 

 

 

I love you.

 

 

 

Ooooh, and I'm a Catholic. Surely the mutual hatred between me and atheists should forbid this love?

 

 

 

This is so stupid and pointless. Neither side seems to want to give an inch, they're both convinced that the other side is the lesser one way or another.

 

 

 

I am totally behind Goddess. Drop it, for God's sake. (Pun intended.)

[insane]

I chuckled when I read the title. But it really isn't helping, just making more resentment and even dumber stereotypes between Christians and non-Christians.

 

Just let it die, take the slugging to where it came from and not make new threads.

 

Oh for the record, preaching isn't shoving religion down someone's throat, to the many people who seem to have that kind of idea.

What about preaching in a public space, surely that's invasive?

 

 

 

I'd think smoking is much more invasive.

[IGoddessI]

We're all f*cking people does it matter what the hell you believe in?

 

 

 

Yeah, it pretty much does. Sorry.

 

 

 

I'm so glad we don't know eachother outside this forum.

[Kant]

We're all f*cking people does it matter what the hell you believe in?

 

 

 

Yeah, it pretty much does. Sorry.

 

 

 

I'm so glad we don't know eachother outside this forum.

 

 

 

Why does it matter? Because our beliefs affect our actions, and our actions affect other people. Our beliefs are the most integral element to how we behave and how we treat others. That is why it matters. Unless you don't think how other people are affected by people's actions matters. If that is the case, then I am also glad we don't know each other outside of this forum.

[yomom1919]

Why does it matter? Because our beliefs affect our actions, and our actions affect other people. Our beliefs are the most integral element to how we behave and how we treat others. That is why it matters. Unless you don't think how other people are affected by people's actions matters. If that is the case, then I am also glad we don't know each other outside of this forum.

 

 

 

Anyone remember Locke? This guy is Locke reincarnated... Future lawyers ftw.

[Faux]

I don't believe in baby Jesus or a murderous Muhammad or the hungry Buddha or any other religious prophets

 

 

 

But my problem with atheists is that atheism seems to be the new black. It's the new cool thing to do and bashing religious people are the #1 priority.

 

 

 

That's the majority of the loudmouth atheists anyway.

 

 

 

Oh, and for the people who are saying "but see how peaceful atheism is? no one bothers you blah blah blah"

 

 

 

Just wait. Atheism is just on the rise thanks to the internets. Once atheism is at a higher percentage, comparable to the major religions, you'll get nutjobs.

 

 

 

[developmentally delayed]ation is not picky with whatever beliefs you follow.

[Ginger_Warrior]

How on Earth can you force Atheism on someone? It's philosophically impossible!

 

 

 

But my problem with atheists is that atheism seems to be the new black. It's the new cool thing to do and bashing religious people are the #1 priority.

 

Being an Atheist doesn't make you a "religion basher"! I respect that everyone has the right to believe whatever they like, I just don't personally believe in something there is no conclusive proof for.

[Faux]

I never said being an atheist makes you bash religion. I'm saying most atheists bash religion.

[Ginger_Warrior]

I never said being an atheist makes you bash religion. I'm saying most atheists bash religion.

 

I'm sorry, your proof? Allow myself to clarify. Merely questioning someone's argument isn't "bashing" it. Dismissing it without considering it is.

 

 

 

The fact is Atheism and religion run counter to each other. It will always be a fairly frictional confrontation when the two parties debate their own beliefs with each other, since essentially, neither party has proof to disprove the other person's theory.

 

 

 

I myself keep an open mind. I don't know any better than anyone else who's right. I'm not religious, but I don't refuse to accept a God may exist either.

[Faux]

Dude, I'm not religious either. If you tell me organized religion ceased to exist when I wake up tomorrow, it won't affect me at all.

 

 

 

In addition to an open mind, you should keep an open set of eyes too. A lot of atheists group faith and ignorance together.

[Rebdragon]

I never said being an atheist makes you bash religion. I'm saying most atheists bash religion.

 

I'm sorry, your proof? Allow myself to clarify. Merely questioning someone's argument isn't "bashing" it. Dismissing it without considering it is.

 

 

 

The fact is Atheism and religion run counter to each other. It will always be a fairly frictional confrontation when the two parties debate their own beliefs with each other, since essentially, neither party has proof to disprove the other person's theory.

 

 

 

I myself keep an open mind. I don't know any better than anyone else who's right. I'm not religious, but I don't refuse to accept a God may exist either.

 

I've been an atheist, I'm technically a form of atheist now, and of course we've bashed religion. Some ignorantly bash it, some find the idea of blind faith risible and can't really get beyond that, and some just avoid it entirely. It's practically a given that plenty of atheists "bash" religion, especially those who reject it without fully understanding it.

 

 

 

And that's just weak atheism. Don't get me started on strong atheism.

 

 

 

I mean, I myself love learning about religion. I'm even taking a World Religions course right now at my high school. But even when educated about world religions, I still can't help but giggle a little bit at the dogmatic sides of each one. Faith, it's just... funny. That's the only way I can put it.

 

 

 

Ginger, Shadow is right- give it time, let atheism get bigger, and a dogmatic atheist attitude will permeate throughout society, and it's not going to be pretty. No offense to atheism of course, not like I'm trying to insult myself here :P .

 

 

 

Basically, the bigger a bandwagon gets, the more idiots it can fit on it. Happens to anything that gets big :-$ .

[Ginger_Warrior]

I never said being an atheist makes you bash religion. I'm saying most atheists bash religion.

 

I'm sorry, your proof? Allow myself to clarify. Merely questioning someone's argument isn't "bashing" it. Dismissing it without considering it is.

 

 

 

The fact is Atheism and religion run counter to each other. It will always be a fairly frictional confrontation when the two parties debate their own beliefs with each other, since essentially, neither party has proof to disprove the other person's theory.

 

 

 

I myself keep an open mind. I don't know any better than anyone else who's right. I'm not religious, but I don't refuse to accept a God may exist either.

 

I've been an atheist, I'm technically a form of atheist now, and of course we've bashed religion. Some ignorantly bash it, some find the idea of blind faith risible and can't really get beyond that, and some just avoid it entirely. It's practically a given that plenty of atheists "bash" religion, especially those who reject it without fully understanding it.

 

 

 

And that's just weak atheism. Don't get me started on strong atheism.

 

 

 

I mean, I myself love learning about religion. I'm even taking a World Religions course right now at my high school. But even when educated about world religions, I still can't help but giggle a little bit at the dogmatic sides of each one. Faith, it's just... funny. That's the only way I can put it.

 

 

 

Ginger, Shadow is right- give it time, let atheism get bigger, and a dogmatic atheist attitude will permeate throughout society, and it's not going to be pretty. No offense to atheism of course, not like I'm trying to insult myself here :P .

 

 

 

Basically, the bigger a bandwagon gets, the more idiots it can fit on it. Happens to anything that gets big :-$ .

 

OK, I hear ya. I'm not doubting there are people who dogmatically bash any form of faith, but TBH I find them hypocritical, in fact they must have faith that there is no faith, which obviously proves itself wrong. I don't support people who blindly believe there is no such thing as a God just as much as I don't support people who blindly believe there is such thing as a God. In general, I don't understand anyone who has "blind faith" (i.e. they'll believe something without questioning it), but I'd be lying if I said faith itself is stupid, since I think we all have faith in the form of hope and trust in life and other people.

 

 

 

Also, don't use the pronoun "we". I've never bashed religion, indeed I understand religion can sometimes be the only thing people have at times, and they gain comfort from knowing that people share values similar to that person. I don't believe in God, but this doesn't force me into saying "God doesn't exist", or "religion is faith, and faith is stupid and blind". I would hope others, and I actually believe most so-called Aetheists, would share that same willingness to accept that one opinion can exist in two seperate people without causing confrontation between those two people. I've actually found the nicest people I've ever met to be religious.

[Hevendor_Guy]

'Kay, enough you little 'tards. :roll:

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly..

 

 

 

You two are the "'tards" here. Learn to make some input or shut up and don't spam. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really mind Atheists, as long as they don't try to convert me or call my religion crap. And, as Barihawk said, I've never seen a Christian truly force their religion upon someone who didn't agree, but it is in our duties as followers of that faith to preach the word, however it says no where that we must make others convert.

[Barihawk]

Why does it matter? Because our beliefs affect our actions, and our actions affect other people. Our beliefs are the most integral element to how we behave and how we treat others. That is why it matters. Unless you don't think how other people are affected by people's actions matters. If that is the case, then I am also glad we don't know each other outside of this forum.

 

 

 

Anyone remember Locke? This guy is Locke reincarnated... Future lawyers ftw.

 

 

 

He lacks Locke's self control, though. And I am still convinced that Locke and Kant created their accounts here just for the point of debating in these topics. Perhaps even another forum member?

 

 

 

The overuse of philosophy and the avatars are too eerily similar.

[Mithril_Max]

'Kay, enough you little 'tards. :roll:

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly..

 

 

 

You two are the "'tards" here. Learn to make some input or shut up and don't spam. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really mind Atheists, as long as they don't try to convert me or call my religion crap. And, as Barihawk said, I've never seen a Christian truly force their religion upon someone who didn't agree, but it is in our duties as followers of that faith to preach the word, however it says no where that we must make others convert.

 

 

 

then why when i was an aethiest was i constantly called devil worshipper by confused teenagers and shunned by christian family >.<

[Barihawk]

'Kay, enough you little 'tards. :roll:

 

 

 

My thoughts exactly..

 

 

 

You two are the "'tards" here. Learn to make some input or shut up and don't spam. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really mind Atheists, as long as they don't try to convert me or call my religion crap. And, as Barihawk said, I've never seen a Christian truly force their religion upon someone who didn't agree, but it is in our duties as followers of that faith to preach the word, however it says no where that we must make others convert.

 

 

 

then why when i was an aethiest was i constantly called devil worshipper by confused teenagers and shunned by christian family >.<

 

 

 

 

 

If you are being serious about the way people treat you, then those people suck at being Christians. But I don't feel I am getting the whole story here.

 

 

 

Regardless: Christ summed it up pretty well when he said "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." Christians have no right judging others by the laws of God. Only God is the Judge in that regard.

[fakeitormakeit]

Atheists don't like Christians because they think we're onto us(haha luckily they haven't found out our plan to rebuild the Christdom by giving the pope absolute power over all Christian soldiers! :-$ )

 

 

 

No just kidding, and the excuse "Christians push their beliefs on others and blaa blaa blaa and say atheists and gays and all others will burn in hell" is not valid because I don't see them as Christians because "he without sin cast the first stone", numberous times God telling in the bible to love your enemy, and plus your just not suppose to push your beliefs on other people, remember there is also a difference between being loyal to ones religion and being close minded and also converting and pushing religion onto someone.

 

 

 

Anyone I don't want anyone to ever ever ever ever ever say xgroup is yadjective because your being ignorant, no one group is described by 1 adjective(unless its in their belief code) and this goes for every cult, church, religion, race, skin tone, etc.

 

 

 

And atheists have the right to be atheists, and sometimes people who become too extreme on their religion have their own religion shrouded in a cloud which they have lost sight out their religion. Pope John Paul II(previous pope) summed up things nicely all the time and looked at the world not split by political divisions(i.e. map lines), religions, or race but as one people.

[Giordano]

Well, this is FAR from the 'orginial' perpose of this thread... :-w

 

 

 

I might as well let this to contiue.