Can we still salvage magic?

[TheAncient]

Melee and range can both hit crazy damage now, while mage is stuck in the old days and has a max at 30. Mage is basically used for three functions: ice barrage, which is mostly used in cw, veng, used for PKing and monster hunting, and staking.

 

 

 

Imo, mage has the most potential out of the triangle; it has so much room for improvement. Jagex, however, doesn't seem to think this...

 

 

 

Here are some sample suggestions:

 

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Spell effects:

 

- Ignore mage defense of anything standing next to you

 

- Drain prayer

 

- 100% hit rate

 

- Slows your opponent's attack speed

 

- Unequip armor or weapon of opponent

 

- Turn on or turn off random prayers of opponent

 

 

 

Spell casting changes:

 

- Have some spells be cast by an "operate" option on an item

 

- Have some spells require the use of the special bar

 

- Have some spells that drain your own stats (as part of the casting cost)

 

 

 

Items:

 

- (Shield slot) 3rd Age Spellbook(s); "operate" functions allow you to cast some of the above spells (but only limited amount/hour)

 

- (Weapon slot) Legend Battlestaves; melee-mage weapon that has decent stats for both. Has different "special attacks" depending on if you have a certain rune in your invent.

 

- (Gloves slot and weapon slot) Casting gloves; apply a certain spell effect to any damaging magic attack you use

 

- (Amulet slot) Spellamulets; allow you to cast certain spells but disintegrate after a certain number of charges. Should be able to be made from Runecrafting/Crafting combination.

 

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Now, the question:

 

Is there a future for magic?

[Barihawk]

I love how people think spammable spells that can freeze your opponent in place and give you health that hits up to 30 somehow makes you underpowered.

[Italian5kamikaze]

The answer to your question, yes.

 

 

 

Lunars is highly used for skilling and slayer, bolt spells are used a lot at metal dragons, other various spells for exp.

 

 

 

Im almost 100% positive mage will have a somewhat big update in the near future seeing as meleers got godswords and more str boosting gear and rangers got d bow and high hitting bolts.

[TheAncient]

I love how people think spammable spells that can freeze your opponent in place and give you health that hits up to 30 somehow makes you underpowered.

 

 

 

AGS can 2 hit anyone :wink: , and that's in one spec bar.

[Codguy]

I do agree that Magic should receive some improvements, mainly because it can be easily drowned out if you're just maging. However it's great for hybriding if you have ancients on.

 

 

 

There should be a future for more Magic, so that you can pk in the wild with just Magic and be able to win battles.

 

 

 

And don't be surprised if you get some comments about Summoning.

[superson]

They can't just keep raising the amounts of damage you can do. Eventually if this keeps up PKing won't be very popular because everybody and their mom will be able to hit 60s.

[bizzyboy]

high spell dat get ur str or mage up like potion ... this copud be good so even ur a pure zerker , u will need mage ... not only 25 for tele to varrock :P ancient is still very usefull in wildy ...

[llamster]

 

Now, the question:

 

Is there a future for magic?

 

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

I don't know why you're overreacting. Jagex is going to improve magic, sooner or later. Whether that would mean raising the max hits, making it more accurate, giving it special abilities, or making runes cheaper, it's pretty clear that they will take action.

 

 

 

After all, there are about 40 rants about it floating about in the RSOF. And many of them have supporter's lists that go well into the hundreds.

[Artemis1330]

I love how people think spammable spells that can freeze your opponent in place and give you health that hits up to 30 somehow makes you underpowered.

 

 

 

Agreed, magic is fine. It is probably the MOST used of the combat skills in the game due to ancients and high alchiing. It has regular spells, ancients, and lunar. It has many armour sets, is used at barrows, pking, dk, and high alching. It can freeze, hit 32s, poison, and heal. Tele other and tele group, etc. I can go on and on...... :roll:

 

 

 

AGS can 2 hit anyone :wink: , and that's in one spec bar.

 

 

 

Ags is 150+m :lol:

[Triforceelf]

Yeah Range and Melee can hit higher. But they both lack magic utility on the battlefield. With melee you can only close and use your specials, while with mage you can use a variety of impeading effects from long distance and STILL do massive damage very quickly. While with melee your powerful hits are slow (not to mention you must be very close to use it) with range and mage your hits are fast and powerful. The only way I see a spell that drains prayer working is if it was a special on a staff. A spell to drain prayer would mean prayer would never be used in PVP again. Ever. Mage is fine, it was range and melee that needed to catch up with mage.

[Freesia]

What i hate about using magic offensively is that unlike melee or range, most of attack bonus from magic comes from armor, the weapon for magic is useless except to save runes during spells or autocast with crappy magic attack bonuses.

[Silver_Corner]

There should be a future for more Magic, so that you can pk in the wild with just Magic and be able to win battles.

 

 

 

Sorry but no. That will never happen.

 

 

 

Range > Mage > Melee > Range > ect..

 

 

 

Magic will never be the ultimate fighting force on its own, as no combat type should be.

 

 

 

You need to hybrid in the wild to be effective. Carring just 1 combat type with you, shoudnt win a fight. But most often this boils down to the long discussion of farcasting, which is why people say magic is underpowered.

 

 

 

Basically: Magic's strength comes in its holding spells. If you dont use holding spells to hit your opponent from a distance, your not using magic as its intended to be used.

 

 

 

The mage may look like an easy target, wearing what could be described as a glorified flannel, but beneath their soft and stabbable exterior lies a dangerous opponent. A combination of 'holding' spells and Magic's conductivity through armour makes the mage strongly anti-melee, often keeping a hand-to-hand combatant incapacitated and highly vulnerable.

 

 

 

If you hybrid melee/mage with robes on, its going to be like wearing rune while ranging against a mage. Its just illogical. You need to understand your defensive bonus, not just your offensive bonus in combat.

[Master_Smither]

Magic is fine but maybe we need a 40 max hit. But as of now it's the only teleing skill/alching skill and lunar is great for skilling.

[decebal]

One thing's for sure though, they STILL have a future. First of all, If the mage knows his aces,he can even succeed in killing an army of alvl126's. How?Ice barraging, the spellis so strong it doesit's work against melee well enough.HOWEVER,amelee can simply turn a protect from mage prayer on and kill the mage.A ranger always kills. It's true they need spells to drain prayer and maybe hold armour on for a few sec?Anyways,first ranged was underpowered,then they got serious updates .Next is mage.

 

 

 

Off-topic: Dang doI have keyboard problems-.-, this sentence tells youwith what button if I wasn't spellchecking.

[phata_elise]

Melee and range can both hit crazy damage now, while mage is stuck in the old days and has a max at 30. Mage is basically used for three functions: ice barrage, which is mostly used in cw, veng, used for PKing and monster hunting, and staking.

 

 

 

Imo, mage has the most potential out of the triangle; it has so much room for improvement. Jagex, however, doesn't seem to think this...

 

Is there a future for magic?

 

 

 

First of, how do you know this? Perhaps Jagex are laying the final hand on a huge magic update right now and release it next month. You don't know.

 

 

 

My biggest concern with magic by far is that it's way too expensive to train normally. Magic is a combat style, yet you have to train it mostly without combat. I don't want to alch or teleport without reason. I want to fight monsters with my spells. But I simply can't because it's much too expensive, apart from only a few situations. If Jagex can just alter the system is such a way that magic becomes as common to slay monsters as melee and ranged, I will be very happy. :)

[xpx]

The problem isn't about the spells being good enough against people in wilderness, but against top-end creatures like GWD bosses. Magic can not deliver high amounts of damage in a short amount of time.

[Smapla]

But magic is not solely a combat skill. It has tons of non-combat related uses.

 

 

 

Oh and i've been hit 36 with ice barrage in castle wars =\

 

 

 

darn bracelets

[spooferfish]

I love how people think spammable spells that can freeze your opponent in place and give you health that hits up to 30 somehow makes you underpowered.

 

 

 

When you put it that way instead of "hits 30" it sounds a hell of a lot better.

[nicrune007]

Then RCing will be much harder because PKers get better magic :D

[jessy87]

The problem isn't about the spells being good enough against people in wilderness, but against top-end creatures like GWD bosses. Magic can not deliver high amounts of damage in a short amount of time.

 

 

 

 

 

so if staffs had a spec that was decent? something like, double spell or, spell casting quicker for 2mins. or something. mage rage. spells damage harder and more successfully for 5 casts. ancient mages get a spec with ancient staff, multiplicity, instead of 3x3 with 9(person) limit u get 3 casts of 9x9 50 limit

 

 

 

 

 

also, this topics title is dumb as hell. if, you just wrote that down and left, i would seriously be like yes. then ask for this to be locked.

[Jordanweb]

We need more magic spells which Cannot be used while weilding a ranged or melee weapon for the simple fact that releasing an all-powerfull magic spell will just overpower hybrids even more.

[Kiriyama]

There is a prayer draining spell. And at 80 Magic it has the highest damage with charge. (I think)

 

 

 

I'm talking about Saradomin Strike.

[JAMjE]

Semi-true.... I guess range and melee have great new weaps but not many people are risking them pking "properly" some people might have a mad 1 item rush with AGS or D bow, whereas you cannot 1 item with mage so it will be more of a risk ...

[jessy87]

Semi-true.... I guess range and melee have great new weaps but not many people are risking them pking "properly" some people might have a mad 1 item rush with AGS or D bow, whereas you cannot 1 item with mage so it will be more of a risk ...

 

 

 

perhaps if gwd gave a good staff... maybe mage could have that problem

 

 

 

 

 

i do like the idea about not wielding a melee/range weapon. however, all u gotta do is take it off. perhaps u have to wield a staff? thats cheap to replace but protects over a whip. like an anchor? but cheaper. that way its risky to hybrid, and is only destroyable.

[Xeones]

Magic is fine but maybe we need a 40 max hit. But as of now it's the only teleing skill/alching skill and lunar is great for skilling.

 

 

 

Yeah, then let's keep going until the max hit is 99. So whoever gets the first hit is teh winner, and RuneScape would be pointless.

 

 

 

People, think about it. Magic is a farcasting class. A Mage isn't supposed to cast Ice Barrage when standing next to a 99-Strength beast that is DDS-specing. Ice spells were made to stay away from dangerous melee opponents and own them.

 

 

 

Sure, Magic is extremely underpowered in terms of hand-to-hand combat, considering their Defense bonuses are nearly non-existant. But are Mages really supposed to fight this way???