The New Shields

[Hevendor_Guy]

i hope it settles at 12m so i can get me one =)

 

I predict it going to 8-10 but i'm just hoping :mrgreen:

 

 

 

and I believe the spectral is gonna be widely overlooked, epic win at castle wars or certain slayer tasks.(spectres respectively)

 

i do have to say though, where's the ranger shield? mage got a +20 boost with the arcane?

 

Where's my +20 boost with rune c bow =\

 

 

 

~penguin

 

 

 

Do you REALLY think range is more deserving of new equipment than mage? Ever since the crossbow and bolt revamp, mage has been the weakest of the 3 combat styles. I'm pretty sure the last major thing we got was a new batch of Lunar spells. Mages desperately needed some more equipment.

[Wizz]

Do you think that the Spirit Shield itself will go up? Maybe investing in some now would be a good idea. :-k

[BBC3]

Elysian Sheild Removes 17.5% of all damage taken, on average.

 

That makes it better than the DFS Defence Wise.

 

Not really.

 

 

 

Because the way the hitting system is (imo) random then the 17.5% is irrelevant, I'd rather have +70 Defence boost all the time rather than "17.5%" of a random (someone hits 40 they'll still do 33 damage) so 17.5% is not a lot at all really, 17.5% only starts to be a lot if you're getting AGS spec'd or Dharok spec'd.

 

 

 

this is the first time ive seen 3 hit u, not make sense.

[Ravenkana]

I think the Divine shield is best overall. If you do the math you will find that it blocks more damage for free than the Elysian shield; Elysian blocks 15% of all damage for free, provided you have prayer, and the Divine shield blocks 25% 70% of the time which comes to 17.5% of all damage blocked. When you run out of prayer the Elysian shield stops working, period. The only con, or if you look at it another way, pro, to this is that, unless I'm mistaken, melee has only two 70+ weapons that are one handed, the Saradomin Sword and Abyssal Whip, and range has only two 60+, dragon darts and rune crossbow, that are one handed. On the other hand, every mage weapon, except Arim's Staff, if one handed.

[craven_range]

Theres something that a lot of people are missing about the Divine shield that makes it a whole lot worse...The average prevention effect does NOT work out to an overall 17.5% damage reduction rate. Why? Because we don't always get hit the same numbers.

 

Imagine you get hit like this: 4 4 30 4 30 4 4 4 4 30. If the ability triggers on all seven 4s, it will have gone off 70% of the time. But, only 7 damage points are prevented total, which means that instead of getting hit 118, you get hit 111. This translates to only a 5.9% reduction of your total damage taken. This is definitely an extreme and unlikely case, but you get the picture. The REAL usefulness of this shield is STILL yet to be determined by one question: CAN the ability trigger on a zero-damage hit? If so, this shield will be far inferior in nearly every occasion.

 

 

 

Did you fail maths?

 

If so, i'll gladly explain to you the term average, because clearly you cannot grasp it.

 

 

 

Elysian Sheild Removes 17.5% of all damage taken, on average.

 

That makes it better than the DFS Defence Wise.

 

Not really.

 

 

 

Because the way the hitting system is (imo) random then the 17.5% is irrelevant, I'd rather have +70 Defence boost all the time rather than "17.5%" of a random (someone hits 40 they'll still do 33 damage) so 17.5% is not a lot at all really, 17.5% only starts to be a lot if you're getting AGS spec'd or Dharok spec'd.

 

 

 

Would you mind rephrasing that? Im not making sense of it..

 

17.5% is quite alot. Considering DFS prevents 0% of damage.

 

 

 

The DFS has on average, 7% better defence stat's over the elysian, only counting the 3 melee defence stats. Though im not sure how this converts to damage prevented...

 

 

 

But basically you are going to get hit 7% more?? But save 17.5% damage?? Im not sure if a defence bonus has a direct relation to how often you are hit.

 

 

 

 

 

Here are the melee defence stats for both

 

DFS 70 75 72

 

ELYSIAN 63 65 75

[fat_klutz]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

[craven_range]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

[pbpenguin5]

i hope it settles at 12m so i can get me one =)

 

I predict it going to 8-10 but i'm just hoping :mrgreen:

 

 

 

and I believe the spectral is gonna be widely overlooked, epic win at castle wars or certain slayer tasks.(spectres respectively)

 

i do have to say though, where's the ranger shield? mage got a +20 boost with the arcane?

 

Where's my +20 boost with rune c bow =\

 

 

 

~penguin

 

 

 

Do you REALLY think range is more deserving of new equipment than mage? Ever since the crossbow and bolt revamp, mage has been the weakest of the 3 combat styles. I'm pretty sure the last major thing we got was a new batch of Lunar spells. Mages desperately needed some more equipment.

 

 

 

 

 

Very true. Sorry i just love range =]

[Myweponsg00d]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

 

 

 

Are you saying that the "average damage" you take is directly between the max damage you will take and zero? I really don't think this is the case...When I'm at GWD I can take 30s from bandos when I'm tanking, but that doesn't mean that on average, each attack does 15 damage to me (including minions and everything). You take way more low numbers and zeros from the minis than you do their high 20s. This gets even more clear when you go to DKs. The spins hit tons of zeros for minutes then score a 8 out of nowhere. Calling the "average hit" the midpoint between zero and the max hit is definitely wrong in most situations. Also, it depends on whether or not there is a chance that the prevention effect can be "applied" to zero hits

 

 

 

Just curious how you're getting your number, as that would be a lot more helpful to post than just a blatant insult at our intelligence without any numbers or calculations to back your words up. Anyone can just say that the other person is an idiot and not give a reason.

[highlanders]

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I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

[/hide]

 

Not at all, he understood what this is all about, except he had trouble explaining it.

 

 

 

So here we have a shield that on average 70 attacks out of 100, will reduce the damage received by 25%. It will take the "edge" off of an attack.

 

 

 

Most "grinding" monsters people fight have max hits of ~15.

 

 

 

Which means, at best, it will be 25% off of 15. It is welcome, but really nothing mindblowing. At worse, it will be 25% off of 0 or a very low number. Don't buy the shield and expect much against normal monsters. The real use is clearly PVP and boss monsters only.

 

 

 

The thing is, the shield isn't even good at that either. The new monster is best killed with zamorakian spears. GWD is best done with godswords to rip through the bosses defences. Pvp is again largely won with godswords. The shield is very good, but the best thing you wear with it is a whip.

 

 

 

What you can see here is a real paradox.

 

 

 

The shield is good for pvp and boss hunting. Whips are used for grinding against normal monsters. Whips are not made for boss monsters, they aren't made for pvp. The shield and the whip disagree, the shield would rather watch WWE and the whip would rather just watch Dr house. So you have haft of the TV showing Dr house, and the other haft is showing RAW. It seems like shawn michaels is talking to cameron and you can't really figure out much of what going on.

 

 

 

Conclusion: The shield is good, but has no suitable pvp/boss hunting 1 handed weapon to go with it. It's a damn lemon. For now, it's completely useless.

 

 

 

"OMG LOOK AT ME I HAVE A DIVINE SHIELD! HERE I COME BOSS MONSTERS! Oh wait... snap, I have no weapon to go with it. *sob*"

 

 

 

Well you can still use knives with it though :D

[Obtaurian]

[hide=]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

[/hide]

 

Not at all, he understood what this is all about, except he had trouble explaining it.

 

 

 

So here we have a shield that on average 70 attacks out of 100, will reduce the damage received by 25%. It will take the "edge" off of an attack.

 

 

 

Most "grinding" monsters people fight have max hits of ~15.

 

 

 

Which means, at best, it will be 25% off of 15. It is welcome, but really nothing mindblowing. At worse, it will be 25% off of 0 or a very low number. Don't buy the shield and expect much against normal monsters. The real use is clearly PVP and boss monsters only.

 

 

 

The thing is, the shield isn't even good at that either. The new monster is best killed with zamorakian spears. GWD is best done with godswords to rip through the bosses defences. Pvp is again largely won with godswords. The shield is very good, but the best thing you wear with it is a whip.

 

 

 

What you can see here is a real paradox.

 

 

 

The shield is good for pvp and boss hunting. Whips are used for grinding against normal monsters. Whips are not made for boss monsters, they aren't made for pvp. The shield and the whip disagree, the shield would rather watch WWE and the whip would rather just watch Dr house. So you have haft of the TV showing Dr house, and the other haft is showing RAW. It seems like shawn michaels is talking to cameron and you can't really figure out much of what going on.

 

 

 

Conclusion: The shield is good, but has no suitable pvp/boss hunting 1 handed weapon to go with it. It's a damn lemon. For now, it's completely useless.

 

 

 

"OMG LOOK AT ME I HAVE A DIVINE SHIELD! HERE I COME BOSS MONSTERS! Oh wait... snap, I have no weapon to go with it. *sob*"

 

 

 

Well you can still use knives with it though :D

 

 

 

I lol'd.

 

 

 

But anyway, I've thought about it as well. The whip really isn't the best weapon to use in pvp or boss hunting.

 

 

 

However, a crossbow is very good, and you can use the shield with a crossbow. The shield will be great for rangers especially, I think, especially vs. Kree or Zilyana.

[Slayer_Jesse]

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[hide=]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

[/hide]

 

Not at all, he understood what this is all about, except he had trouble explaining it.

 

 

 

So here we have a shield that on average 70 attacks out of 100, will reduce the damage received by 25%. It will take the "edge" off of an attack.

 

 

 

Most "grinding" monsters people fight have max hits of ~15.

 

 

 

Which means, at best, it will be 25% off of 15. It is welcome, but really nothing mindblowing. At worse, it will be 25% off of 0 or a very low number. Don't buy the shield and expect much against normal monsters. The real use is clearly PVP and boss monsters only.

 

 

 

The thing is, the shield isn't even good at that either. The new monster is best killed with zamorakian spears. GWD is best done with godswords to rip through the bosses defences. Pvp is again largely won with godswords. The shield is very good, but the best thing you wear with it is a whip.

 

 

 

What you can see here is a real paradox.

 

 

 

The shield is good for pvp and boss hunting. Whips are used for grinding against normal monsters. Whips are not made for boss monsters, they aren't made for pvp. The shield and the whip disagree, the shield would rather watch WWE and the whip would rather just watch Dr house. So you have haft of the TV showing Dr house, and the other haft is showing RAW. It seems like shawn michaels is talking to cameron and you can't really figure out much of what going on.

 

 

 

Conclusion: The shield is good, but has no suitable pvp/boss hunting 1 handed weapon to go with it. It's a damn lemon. For now, it's completely useless.

 

 

 

"OMG LOOK AT ME I HAVE A DIVINE SHIELD! HERE I COME BOSS MONSTERS! Oh wait... snap, I have no weapon to go with it. *sob*"

 

 

 

Well you can still use knives with it though :D

 

[/hide]

 

 

 

I was thinking the same thing. dont get me wrong, whip is still a good weapon. but its not something you take to bosses.... what we really need is a strong 1h wep between whip and gs., perhaps somehtign with defensive abilities.

 

thses shields look good on paper, but i use my gs waaaay to much to go back to whip to use one of these shields.

[@Dan3HitU]

Ll, people don't understand :( :cry:

[Chapp3rs]

you said the shield MIGHT only end up reducing the 3 and 4 hits etc, but it could equally work the other way - what if it reduces the damage on the high hits? this is after all an AVERAGE - and the extra 7% of so def boost for dfs vs elysian *when no other armour is worn* is by no means guaranteed to block that big hit anyway

 

 

 

to using the shield in boss hunting, i would personally use it in place of my dfs at dks (i use whip/dds for hybriding out of choice anyway), arma and sara (when i get the money for it :P ) - and i never go bandos anyway, and net is being dodgy atm so no corporeal beast for me yet :(

[pulli23]

This shield is actually excellent for negating KO potentions from bosses/other monsters..

 

 

 

What I think most people fail to realise is that these shields actually allow jagex to implement more heavy hitters to the game: The KO potention of the current bosses was getting near the roof, any higher and it would just be "luck" wether a boss kills you or not (99+ damage in 1 hit possible?). Now with the new shields it allows jagex to once again "up" the maximum hit.

 

 

 

Also since these shields are especially amazing against KOers, they will probably become more and more important as the strength limit increases...

 

I can foresee many of these type of shields coming out with the pvp worlds: and they becomming vital for survival!

[Chapp3rs]

This shield is actually excellent for negating KO potentions from bosses/other monsters..

 

 

 

What I think most people fail to realise is that these shields actually allow jagex to implement more heavy hitters to the game: The KO potention of the current bosses was getting near the roof, any higher and it would just be "luck" wether a boss kills you or not (99+ damage in 1 hit possible?). Now with the new shields it allows jagex to once again "up" the maximum hit.

 

 

 

Also since these shields are especially amazing against KOers, they will probably become more and more important as the strength limit increases...

 

I can foresee many of these type of shields coming out with the pvp worlds: and they becomming vital for survival!

 

i think this is likely, except for the more shields part - i bet it will be helmets, amulets etc before more shields

[miracleman58]

Ll, people don't understand :( :cry:

 

 

 

I understand. Maybe if someone who had one would be able to explain in picture/video form :ohnoes:

[Blackspells]

show pics of wearing sheild plz :-)

[Jabuli]

show pics of wearing sheild plz :-)

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-_Ziviee9E&hl=en&fs=1

[Hevendor_Guy]

This shield is actually excellent for negating KO potentions from bosses/other monsters..

 

 

 

What I think most people fail to realise is that these shields actually allow jagex to implement more heavy hitters to the game: The KO potention of the current bosses was getting near the roof, any higher and it would just be "luck" wether a boss kills you or not (99+ damage in 1 hit possible?). Now with the new shields it allows jagex to once again "up" the maximum hit.

 

 

 

Also since these shields are especially amazing against KOers, they will probably become more and more important as the strength limit increases...

 

I can foresee many of these type of shields coming out with the pvp worlds: and they becomming vital for survival!

 

i think this is likely, except for the more shields part - i bet it will be helmets, amulets etc before more shields

 

 

 

Agreed. And perhaps weapons with the opposite effects will come too (70% of hits do 25% more damage? Smite effect but instead of opponent's prayer loss it's added to your damage?).

[tintin113]

show pics of wearing sheild plz :-)

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-_Ziviee9E&hl=en&fs=1

 

 

 

Err... hawt.. :shock:

[Sam]

Ovrpirced IMO.

[BBC3]

Ll, people don't understand :( :cry:

 

 

 

no matter how popular you are, you [bleep]ed up your maths buddy.

 

 

 

think it over.

[hippomchippo]

[hide=]

I think what 3 hit u is saying is that since the combat system is so random relying on the shield is stupid.

 

 

 

On average it will block 17% of damage but hits are not averaged.... You know what I mean???

 

 

 

So person A attacks person B and hits a 40. Person B is wearing the Elysian shield BUT it does not activate. On person A's next attack he hits a 4 and the shield does activate. It blocks 1 damage. So basically it blocked 1 out of 44 damage which isn't close to 17%.

 

 

 

Get what I mean?? If the combat system was set up so you had a minimum and a maximum hit (with in like 2 damage so from like 22-26 damage no matter what) then yes, this shield would be indisputably better but because you can't control when it triggers it may end up doing nothing.

 

 

 

I think that is what he is saying.

 

 

 

this proves it. most tip.it ers are stupid..

[/hide]

 

Not at all, he understood what this is all about, except he had trouble explaining it.

 

 

 

So here we have a shield that on average 70 attacks out of 100, will reduce the damage received by 25%. It will take the "edge" off of an attack.

 

 

 

Most "grinding" monsters people fight have max hits of ~15.

 

 

 

Which means, at best, it will be 25% off of 15. It is welcome, but really nothing mindblowing. At worse, it will be 25% off of 0 or a very low number. Don't buy the shield and expect much against normal monsters. The real use is clearly PVP and boss monsters only.

 

 

 

The thing is, the shield isn't even good at that either. The new monster is best killed with zamorakian spears. GWD is best done with godswords to rip through the bosses defences. Pvp is again largely won with godswords. The shield is very good, but the best thing you wear with it is a whip.

 

 

 

What you can see here is a real paradox.

 

 

 

The shield is good for pvp and boss hunting. Whips are used for grinding against normal monsters. Whips are not made for boss monsters, they aren't made for pvp. The shield and the whip disagree, the shield would rather watch WWE and the whip would rather just watch Dr house. So you have haft of the TV showing Dr house, and the other haft is showing RAW. It seems like shawn michaels is talking to cameron and you can't really figure out much of what going on.

 

 

 

Conclusion: The shield is good, but has no suitable pvp/boss hunting 1 handed weapon to go with it. It's a damn lemon. For now, it's completely useless.

 

 

 

"OMG LOOK AT ME I HAVE A DIVINE SHIELD! HERE I COME BOSS MONSTERS! Oh wait... snap, I have no weapon to go with it. *sob*"

 

 

 

Well you can still use knives with it though :D

 

BAH GAWD KING HE IS GETTING WHIPED(lol) LIKE A GOVERMENT MULE

[wildy58]

These could be :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

 

 

 

with crossbows.

 

 

 

Elyssian will be better than dfs if it ever sinks to dfs's level.