Slayer Sucks

[highlanders]

Instead of arguing over slayer exp...

 

Explain what's the point of having slayer exp to begin with?

 

Same as why you would train wc/mining/hunter/fishing/herblore/smithing/fm/cooking/etc. Yes.

 

Same as? Most skills you mentioned there is little to no perk whatsoever to raising them, you're just avoiding the question.

[D Jay99]

Instead of arguing over slayer exp...

 

Explain what's the point of having slayer exp to begin with?

 

Same as why you would train wc/mining/hunter/fishing/herblore/smithing/fm/cooking/etc. Yes.

 

Same as? Most skills you mentioned there is little to no perk whatsoever to raising them, you're just avoiding the question.

 

Indeed, there is no point in raising them other than having fun/improving your account/whatever. You can't be efficient all the time.

[Fatteh]

Ydrasil is studying for his end of year exams.

 

 

 

Back on topic: I've read about the first 15 pages (Got bored of it after that) and your numbers are a fair way off in some cases so I disagree with most of your arguments. I may not get the numbers Zarfot/Ydrasil get but I get higher than the numbers you claim to be correct.

 

 

 

(287 or whatever the number was you asked people replying to put in)

[compfreak847]

Ydrasil is studying for his end of year exams.

 

 

 

Back on topic: I've read about the first 15 pages (Got bored of it after that) and your numbers are a fair way off in some cases so I disagree with most of your arguments. I may not get the numbers Zarfot/Ydrasil get but I get higher than the numbers you claim to be correct.

 

 

 

(287 or whatever the number was you asked people replying to put in)

 

Ah, that's why. What numbers do you get though - his is 65k, mine's 60k. That's for plain old melee XP with superhuman strength and no combat summon.

[Teeg]

@compfreak847

 

 

 

So, you're saying that, because I didn't conform with your childish "type two eight seven or whatever to prove you've read my post", I must be wrong!! Sheesh. I even read the VERY small print that said something about 90% of posters wont bother to read the entire thing.

 

 

 

If you want to disagree with me, be man (or woman) enough to do so, not pretend I'm obviously wrong because I didn't follow your puerile instructions.

 

 

 

Your figures are low, I managed to get to 99 slayer averaging far higher than the numbers you are quoting. If you don't want to, or can't, believe me, that's up to you. I couldn't give a flying rats arse if you can't accept it as fact.

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if I offended anyone, but people like this really twist my testes.

 

 

 

 

 

Teeg

[Inuashakent]

I know you already have implied you disagree with this but...slayer is more than 50k melee xp an hour averaged out. This is ESPECIALLY true when you hit 90 slayer, as around 10% of your tasks will be dark beasts, which are more xp an hour than zombie monkeys when done correctly. A good slayer with super sets and 10% str boost can average 17-20k melee xp an hour (more on the lower end of that if you get small tasks or tasks far away from a teleport).

 

 

 

I trained slayer for two months straight on basically a tight schedule, and those are the figures i came up with.

 

 

 

/agree on slayer being bad for money though...any true slayer who pietys makes very little money

 

See, piety is less efficient at the earning methods we're using, so we are limited to +10% strength, giving us an average of 60k melee XP at 100% attention.

 

This + GWD = Fail

[compfreak847]

I know you already have implied you disagree with this but...slayer is more than 50k melee xp an hour averaged out. This is ESPECIALLY true when you hit 90 slayer, as around 10% of your tasks will be dark beasts, which are more xp an hour than zombie monkeys when done correctly. A good slayer with super sets and 10% str boost can average 17-20k melee xp an hour (more on the lower end of that if you get small tasks or tasks far away from a teleport).

 

 

 

I trained slayer for two months straight on basically a tight schedule, and those are the figures i came up with.

 

 

 

/agree on slayer being bad for money though...any true slayer who pietys makes very little money

 

See, piety is less efficient at the earning methods we're using, so we are limited to +10% strength, giving us an average of 60k melee XP at 100% attention.

 

This + GWD = Fail

 

Even if we did include GWD (which would make our old earning numbers go down, and possibly make monkies more efficient again), with piety you rarely make money - and your still not exceeding the 100k per hour of zombies.

[Inuashakent]

What? No, I'm saying it's worth using Piety if you GWD.

[amitoz]

Slayer's a great way to train. You never really get bored, and you basically get free total levels. I know this is going to read as an insult, but to see someone with your stats. Almost all 99 melees with 76 slayer, it really disgusts me.

 

 

 

 

 

But the comment about my melee stats vs. slayer level - That's another thing I'm sick of. I choose to get far better XP and drops using methods other then slayer; why does that matter to you?

 

 

 

The fact that you were dumb enough to waste 100s of hours training slayer disgusts me. (Sarcastic irony, by the way... I realize that some people enjoy training slayer, and like I said I have no problem with that. I just don't like them saying that it is the best way to train combat) The same argument could be used for anything - to see someone with your stats only having 70 cooking, it disgusts me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is that a hard skill(hard being it takes a while) like slayer commands some respect. Cooking on the other hand can be trained insanely easily. If you have 76 slayer with 99 melees, it just shows you stayed in a spot and clicked your pots. Hell, you even said zombie monkeys requires "zero attention". I don't think parking at zombie monkeys, opening up another screen and watching family guy is worth anything.

 

So your insulting me for not having a high slayer level? L0L nice runecrafting level nub. And hunter. And smithing. And agility. And herblore. And prayer. And total level. And blah blah blah. Just because someone chooses to train a faster, easier way does NOT mean you should insult them.

 

 

 

Sorry, I'm off my high horse. Seriously, using my 76 slayer as an insult kind of annoys me. I choose to train my combat faster and with less effort; you chose to train it more slowly and work harder for it. It's your choice; I'm not saying anything bad about it, and you shouldn't be insulting mine. New subject, please. :?

 

 

 

I enjoyed the road to 85 slayer. :

[compfreak847]

What? No, I'm saying it's worth using Piety if you GWD.

 

And I'm agreeing with you - but there's more to it then that; quite a few of our numbers hinge around earning rates, and changing them might not be as cut and dried as it seems - a higher earning rate could make slayer better or worse, depending on which training methods are more efficient. So we can't just say that piety would be more efficient if we use GWD without redoing EVERYTHING.

 

 

 

I enjoyed the road to 85 slayer. :

 

And I enjoyed the road to 91 (almost 2) summoning. What do you mean? :?

[lebst]

On a task of nechs with piety with unicorn (having to bank too much otherwise) i got 70k str exp/hr with sara sword an 96 str/86 attk and somewhat slacked picking up drops between tasks. Honestly it's way too tedious and I hate swapping monsters every 130-200 kills. And then there's the odd mithril dragon/whatever slow task that really slows down exp rates.

 

 

 

I'd rate slayer and camping about equal after you spend time making up charms/money, I really only got 83 for spiritual mages lol, I get d boots almost every kill count \

 

 

 

So I guess it depends if you like variety or not, which some of us don't..

[compfreak847]

On a task of nechs with piety with unicorn (having to bank too much otherwise) i got 70k str exp/hr with sara sword an 96 str/86 attk and somewhat slacked picking up drops between tasks. Honestly it's way too tedious and I hate swapping monsters every 130-200 kills. And then there's the odd mithril dragon/whatever slow task that really slows down exp rates.

 

 

 

I'd rate slayer and camping about equal after you spend time making up charms/money, I really only got 83 for spiritual mages lol, I get d boots almost every kill count \

 

 

 

So I guess it depends if you like variety or not, which some of us don't..

 

Ehh... Zombie's 100k XP + 185k profit + lots of charms pretty much breaks slayers rates. Nechs is one of the faster tasks, and piety really helps rates, but your still not getting 100k per hour, and the slower tasks drag the XP down to 60k.

[Deathmath]

Wow, good point.

 

 

 

I'm training for aviansies atm, any advice on where to train ranged/melee atm, and what equipment should I use as a beginner? pm me

 

 

 

~Deathmath

[ultimatballr]

Was is 287 or two, eight, seven that you wanted? (You said letters but spelled out numbers :-# )

 

 

 

I completely agree with however, apologies that I have nothing for you to come up with a clever rebuttal to.

 

 

 

I do however believe that slayer is worth training if you want to eventually max out or just want some total levels and enjoy combat.

 

 

 

On the flip side though, you could make the argument that if you trained with faster methods other than slayer, the time saved getting the melee exp could be spent on other "fast" skills thus gaining even more total levels than you would have by just doing slayer. Put a seven in the beginning of your post. Boy I sure am making this easy for you contradicting myself and all.

 

 

 

I personally train slayer and will do so for at least 85. I find it enjoyable and I can bear the exp that I receive. Throw in a four after that seven. Even though I am use to gaining ridiculous amounts of combat exp (being an exp PC product and all).

 

 

 

Well placed argument and I find it very hard for anyone to argue any of your points other than the whole total level/maxing out thing.

 

 

 

Another thing, the argument on "fun" is in the eye of the beholder so to speak. After that four add a kitten in there for kicks. Everyone has different definitions of whats fun. Thus truly making it a matter of opinion.. opinions do not fair well against facts and experiences in a debate.

 

 

 

Great post and I hope you get time to read my response.

[Italian5kamikaze]

Two eight seven.

 

 

 

I agree that there are far better places to train whether you need combat exp, charms or cash but im going to be honest I do train slayer in hopes that when they release a new slayer monster I will have the level I need and hopefully get rich off of it lol.

 

 

 

It was pretty depressing seeing so many people make millions off d boots when they came out lol.

[compfreak847]

Was is 287 or two, eight, seven that you wanted? (You said letters but spelled out numbers :-# )

 

 

 

I completely agree with however, apologies that I have nothing for you to come up with a clever rebuttal to.

 

 

 

I do however believe that slayer is worth training if you want to eventually max out or just want some total levels and enjoy combat.

 

 

 

On the flip side though, you could make the argument that if you trained with faster methods other than slayer, the time saved getting the melee exp could be spent on other "fast" skills thus gaining even more total levels than you would have by just doing slayer. Put a seven in the beginning of your post. Boy I sure am making this easy for you contradicting myself and all.

 

 

 

I personally train slayer and will do so for at least 85. I find it enjoyable and I can bear the exp that I receive. Throw in a four after that seven. Even though I am use to gaining ridiculous amounts of combat exp (being an exp PC product and all).

 

 

 

Well placed argument and I find it very hard for anyone to argue any of your points other than the whole total level/maxing out thing.

 

 

 

Another thing, the argument on "fun" is in the eye of the beholder so to speak. After that four add a kitten in there for kicks. Everyone has different definitions of whats fun. Thus truly making it a matter of opinion.. opinions do not fair well against facts and experiences in a debate.

 

 

 

Great post and I hope you get time to read my response.

 

74kitten :?

 

 

 

I spelled them out as they would have stood out\been easy to find if they weren't. That way even if someone hit ctrl+f and looked for 287 in my post they would still be forced to read the entire thing. Fun is obviously an opinion that I can't truely argue with, and I'd like to think that me and ydraisl have stomped through enough of the numbers to verify everything. This thread had been quiet after he left, I didn't check it until Death PMed me and it showed up in my inbox. Interesting argument about total levels; I think I had expanded somewhat on it in one of my replys. Basically anything that couldn't imaginably be covered in the first post has been drug around and stomped into the ground in the replys. I liked slayaer, but I was actually losing a lot of money with a cannon and piety for tasks, so I've slowed down somewhat. I'm close to maxing out melees anyway, I'll probably get 85 and call it quits for combat.

 

 

 

 

Two eight seven.

 

 

 

I agree that there are far better places to train whether you need combat exp, charms or cash but im going to be honest I do train slayer in hopes that when they release a new slayer monster I will have the level I need and hopefully get rich off of it lol.

 

 

 

It was pretty depressing seeing so many people make millions off d boots when they came out lol.

 

It's true that new items can cause people to make millions. The thing that really got me slaying was d boots, which of course have dropped to the point where they are no longer worth doing -.- . New things are just ruined so fast, and I'm usually not one to go try and get something within the first days of release (I probably should, I hear the drop rates are higher for the first week... Rumor of course) except for the time I tried for a visage. Which I got in around 100 iron drags at a time when my bank worth was far less then what I sold it for 8-)

 

 

 

I finally got Comcast hooked up, no more DCing or lag from dial up. I'm happy, I can get back to GWD finally and beef up the bank some...

[Deathmath]

Yay for comcast!

 

Anyways I'm getting started on ranged. I actually tried to compare slayer exp over a while. I got almost twice hte exp w/ experiments. 70 Ranged here I come.

 

 

 

A side note I do think that meleeing slayer as a lower leveled member may not be that bad, just becaues the deviation in exp isn't as high and a black mask means something.

[Fairness]

I agree. The only reasons I train slayer are for broad bolts and to spice up melee training, tbh. That's 'cause I don't have high melee stats to get, myself...

[Hantoumei]

Two, Eight, Seven.

 

The points in your rant are good, and in all honesty according to them, I should never touch slayer again. Except for the fact that while situations between people may be similar, no-one has the exact same situation. I personally stink massively at grinding and moneymaking. Slayer has a bit of variety and gives me a goal I feel I can work towards. The fact that the drops allow me to be mostly self-sufficient is a good bonus.

[deathfish27]

287. You made some decent points in that post. Not enough to make me stop training melee with slayer, but you have a fair arguement there. It did seem a little like you are biased against slayer, but maybe that's just me. It is true that you can get more exp and/or money per hour training normally, but slayer adds more variety to your combat training. Also, I tend to make at least 80k a task, which isn't too bad. I could definitely make more killing green drags, but that just bores me. I also find that I love new challenges, and with a new monster to kill every few slayer lvls I just can't stop striving for the next lvl. All in all, you have a fair argument, slayer isn't the best, but slayer isn't the worst exp/money per hour either. Also you get that decent exp and money at the same time, which I appreciate. I do think that slayer is more fun, which you said yourself that you can't argue with. Camping at one monster like zombie monkeys or other similar monsters is just...extremely boring and that's just not what I want from a game. This is a game after all, so enjoy it rather than boring yourself to death just for a little bit more pixelated experience points ok. :

[compfreak847]

287. You made some decent points in that post. Not enough to make me stop training melee with slayer, but you have a fair arguement there. It did seem a little like you are biased against slayer, but maybe that's just me. It is true that you can get more exp and/or money per hour training normally, but slayer adds more variety to your combat training. Also, I tend to make at least 80k a task, which isn't too bad. I could definitely make more killing green drags, but that just bores me. I also find that I love new challenges, and with a new monster to kill every few slayer lvls I just can't stop striving for the next lvl. All in all, you have a fair argument, slayer isn't the best, but slayer isn't the worst exp/money per hour either. Also you get that decent exp and money at the same time, which I appreciate. I do think that slayer is more fun, which you said yourself that you can't argue with. Camping at one monster like zombie monkeys or other similar monsters is just...extremely boring and that's just not what I want from a game. This is a game after all, so enjoy it rather than boring yourself to death just for a little bit more pixelated experience points ok. :

 

It's all relative. I personally don't like running around killing the same amounts of the same 20 monsters over and over again; I'd rather plunk myself down in front of zombie monkies, earn all the XP in half the time, and go do something fun like GWD or Fight Pits. It is true that slayer's bad XP though.

[The_Fray]

Two Eight Seven

 

I must say I really enjoyed reading this rant of yours, mainly because I usually hang around the "Help and Advice" forum and everytime I see a training topic, I see the usual "Train with slayer" comments, with 4 people saying it is the best experience simply due the fact that you are training one extra skill. But most people dont think about the "At what cost am I training the other skill?" part. I often dont attempt to disagree with these individuals because I know I am going to get flamed incessantly for pointing out a major flaw in a skill that is beloved to almost all.

 

 

 

I have disliked slayer ever since I started doing it simple because I hate moving from one spot to another, it is waste of time to me and that is not including the time that it takes to visit the slayer masters (Not everyone uses Lunar). Additionally I will admit that I have never cared about my total level, I do skills based on whether I like them or not and I try to give each skill a fair chance to grow on me. I have given slayer that chance but it has never been as good as most people on here told me it would be.

 

 

 

Either way I applaud you for a very good post, it was a good read to say the least.

[bogwaga]

Great thread, and I have been thinking the same thing for a while.

 

 

 

Atleast for me, slayer is a pain. I get the same couple tasks over and over again: Fire Giants, Greaters, Kalphites, Irons, and Blacks. I can add alot more variety into my training myself by not training with slayer. I understand at higher levels it can be very useful because of access to new monsters, and black mask/slayer helm speeds up exp, but slayer still isn't all that it's made out to be.

[alcoolj]

287

 

If gaining the fastest possible xp is your thing, then you are correct in stating that slayer is not for you. If however you are interested in battling monsters you have never come up against before, adding many levels to your totoal skill level, and having the chance at getting an abby whip through a monster drop - then slayer is right up you alley.

 

 

 

Each to their own, and obviously xp rates are very important to you - so be it.

[Grumi]

ur right for the most part i would do pc for combat xp or bandits, but the thing is that slayer offers some divercity, ive done 6 hour days at bandits even afking i dont like it its really anoying

 

slayer offers some fun, im lvl 120 and i pick it over other melee training methods