Mod Mark H reveal RuneFest item 2010

[qeltar]

I will agree with you on one thing, it DOES have a use. It demonstrates that you were willing and able to attend the event held by Jagex, and Jagex felt it fair to give it a gift for showing an interest and attending.

 

If everyone had it, then its use would be negated, do you disagree?

What exactly IS its use? What is its purpose? Does Jagex even know?

 

Is the purpose to show you attended the event? Nope, can't be that, because you can get the item without attending.

 

Is it to promote the event? If so, it would be better if everyone could get it.

 

It sure as hell isn't to do something nice for the community, given how divisive it is, and how anyone with two clues to rub together could have predicted what would happen when they announced it.

[pulli23]

I will agree with you on one thing, it DOES have a use. It demonstrates that you were willing and able to attend the event held by Jagex, and Jagex felt it fair to give it a gift for showing an interest and attending.

 

If everyone had it, then its use would be negated, do you disagree?

What exactly IS its use? What is its purpose? Does Jagex even know?

 

Is the purpose to show you attended the event? Nope, can't be that, because you can get the item without attending.

 

Is it to promote the event? If so, it would be better if everyone could get it.

 

It sure as hell isn't to do something nice for the community, given how divisive it is, and how anyone with two clues to rub together could have predicted what would happen when they announced it.

Did you never get a small present from a friend (for a holiday or something).. Most of the time these presents will simply gather dust somewhere.. Yet the kindness of giving such a thing, makes it worth it..

 

The same counts for these gifts: You should feel honoured that jagex gives you something, a special "thank you for attending the event"...

[swordwarior]

Also, whats the real issue here, im willing to bet most of the people complaining would say its fair if Jagex hosted the event near their home.

 

As it stands, I wouldn't attend if they held it within walking distance (not that they would - I live in the boonies).

 

As people keep going back to the "insignificant item" fallacy (staff members again, I note) - I must point out - it's the principal of in-game rewards for real world cash that is offensive.

Yes indeed... i live a short plane journey away and have plenty of time and money to attend the event, but i have no intention of going and would feel embarrassed to prance around in the game with the banner if i did have one

 

What i - and many other people - object to is that Jagex has made it so that real life money buys an ingame item

 

I understand you not wanting to see Runescape become yet another 'Cash Shop' game. And i agree, however i find it acceptable and fair to offer an item to people who show up to an event. Kinda like special shirts if you show up to a concert. If the item they give had ANY positive benefits aside from looks i would 100% agree with you guys. But its a novelty item that shows you display an interest in Jagex, if EVERYONE got this item then what would it show?

 

Well i dissagree, i agree with what 3___Hit___U said. If and when Jagex hosts this event in America next year we will see this same topic about how unfair it is again.

 

Yeah, i live in America, and if they do this again next year i will again complain.

I could care less that i can't go, doesn't bother me. The question i ask, and no one seems to have an answer is why an ingame item? Why couldn't they give out exclusive things in person, maybe those secruity things?

So yeah, i will complain if they continue to add things to the game and don't allow people to get them.

To the people talking about bunny ears and what not, had you played then you could have got them. Jagex didn't say, well those that live within 50 miles of here get them, screw off to the rest of you. Its much different than this situation.

[das]

i'd still head to a convention that's actually worth my money before runefest. (SDCC 2011?) - They cannot and will not cook up enough fun for $115 to get me to go to london, or even alanta a few hours away, I'm used to paying $10-50 for major sports/comic cons and getting ALOT more value for my buck.

But what people don't seem to get is there seems to be 2 types of complainers.

 

1) People who want it, for whatever reason, and cant go for whatever reason

2) People who disagree with the moral principle of an in game item being obtained by real life opportunity OR people who are upset it's an adult only event when this game has catered to sniveling children for years.

 

I'm in the second boat. Money for items isn't really an object for me, i'd probably have all buyable skills maxed ages ago if that was the case. however considering the companies principles and adamant "MONEY WILL NEVER MEAN ANYTHING IN RUNESCAPE" approach of the last decade, it is sort of laughable and I can see why people are getting upset over the principal idea of jagex changing it's philosophy or bending it to fit an event.

If jagex want's to sell GP for $$$, fine by me, i'll even buy 99 herblore and some other skills, however to do so after making your goal for the past decade a game where real life status had no influence on your abilty to play, it's hypocritical at best to do it in my view.

[Ambler]

i'd still head to a convention that's actually worth my money before runefest. (SDCC 2011?) - They cannot and will not cook up enough fun for $115 to get me to go to london, or even alanta a few hours away, I'm used to paying $10-50 for major sports/comic cons and getting ALOT more value for my buck.

But what people don't seem to get is there seems to be 2 types of complainers.

 

1) People who want it, for whatever reason, and cant go for whatever reason

2) People who disagree with the moral principle of an in game item being obtained by real life opportunity OR people who are upset it's an adult only event when this game has catered to sniveling children for years.

 

I'm in the second boat. Money for items isn't really an object for me, i'd probably have all buyable skills maxed ages ago if that was the case. however considering the companies principles and adamant "MONEY WILL NEVER MEAN ANYTHING IN RUNESCAPE" approach of the last decade, it is sort of laughable and I can see why people are getting upset over the principal idea of jagex changing it's philosophy or bending it to fit an event.

If jagex want's to sell GP for $$$, fine by me, i'll even buy 99 herblore and some other skills, however to do so after making your goal for the past decade a game where real life status had no influence on your abilty to play, it's hypocritical at best to do it in my view.

 

I agree with this! ^.^

[Pyderz]

I could care less, its a stupid flag.

 

I'm more than content walking around with a scythe thats rarer and I didnt pay for.

[lordkafei]

If the banner were 100% locked & tied to people who actually bought a ticket & attended, I might be more willing to shrug it off and accept it as a nice memento for attendees.

 

But the code is delivered separately from the ticket, and quite frankly people can & will sell the code to recoup travel expenses or have turkey leg money at the event.

 

It stinks to high heaven.

[Den]

I ask the same question, Why cant they give out exlusive things in person?

 

As far as i've understood, there will be given out exclusive goody bags to everyone when they enter.

[Crimsoncow42]

I personally think it would be awesome to own one of these banners. To show that you were one of the select few to go to the first ever Runefest? That's nothing to scoff at, whatever you may say.

[Zepheras]

I ask the same question, Why cant they give out exlusive things in person?

 

As far as i've understood, there will be given out exclusive goody bags to everyone when they enter.

 

Well im just going off Qelters post for this, but you are able to redeem the code for the banner upon buying the ticket right?

 

Yes.

 

I managed to catch Mod Mark H on the recent updates board just now, and he does agree that the lack of prevention is something that was overlooked. People can redeem the code and not attend the event, and nothing's stopping them from passing the code to another player either. I suspect that if there's another runefest in 2011, Jagex would still give out a new flagstaff to keep up with the tradition, but take more precaution to let only the people who attend the event have it.

[RSBDavid]

I ask the same question, Why cant they give out exlusive things in person?

 

As far as i've understood, there will be given out exclusive goody bags to everyone when they enter.

 

Well im just going off Qelters post for this, but you are able to redeem the code for the banner upon buying the ticket right?

 

Yes.

 

I managed to catch Mod Mark H on the recent updates board just now, and he does agree that the lack of prevention is something that was overlooked. People can redeem the code and not attend the event, and nothing's stopping them from passing the code to another player either. I suspect that if there's another runefest in 2011, Jagex would still give out a new flagstaff to keep up with the tradition, but take more precaution to let only the people who attend the event have it.

 

They should just give you a code to redeem a flag AFTER RuneFest and then make sure your Runescape account is the one linked to the redemption code.

 

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It's an item to say that you were there­...

No, it's an item to say you had $125 to blow. Whether you are there or not is immaterial: send them the money, they give you the item.

That is not Jagex's intention. It is people abusing something. You were probably one of those kids who complained at school when someone ruined something for everyone.

 

 

What a bunch of whiners....

Expressing concerns or issues about something is not inherently whining, when those concerns are expressed in a rational and reasonable manner.

 

Again, it is not about the specific item, it is about the principles involved. I personally not only don't want one of these, I don't usually even do holiday events. I just think this was a very bad idea because of what it is doing to the community, and the "do as I say, not as I do" message it sends.

 

Perpetually complaining about others getting an item is whining. You are trying to find something to argue about aren't you? THERE IS NO BLOODY MOTIVE BEHIND JAGEX GIVING A DAMNED FLAG TO PLAYERS WHO WISH TO ATTEND/ATTEND/BUY TICKETS FOR RUNEFEST. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. They are just trying to show a gesture of kindness. You must not get many kind gestures. You can have an e-hug from me if you wish.

 

 

Remember: IT HAS NO USE.

Then why can't everyone have it?

 

Because life isn't fair. Why can;t everyone have over ~90 billion dollars like Bill Gates? Why can't everyone have a girlfriend who looks like Megan Fox? Why is the sky blue? Why am I stupid enough to reply to your posts when you dispute everything that is not part of your ideology?

[Zepheras]

They should just give you a code to redeem a flag AFTER RuneFest and then make sure your Runescape account is the one linked to the redemption code.

 

That's the problem. If Jagex insist on giving people who attended the event an in-game item to identify themselves with, does it the proper way, people would be more understanding of the symbolism of the item. Right now we have someone who would pay just for the item without going to the event, and some who would get the item off another person who purchase the ticket.

 

And then there's the question of whether in-game item was necessary in the first place.

 

That's why it's not fair. It's not because 'life's not fair'. <_< You don't even get the gist of the argument.

[RSBDavid]

They should just give you a code to redeem a flag AFTER RuneFest and then make sure your Runescape account is the one linked to the redemption code.

 

That's the problem. If Jagex insist on giving people who attended the event an in-game item to identify themselves with, does it the proper way, people would be more understanding of the symbolism of the item. Right now we have someone who would pay just for the item without going to the event, and some who would get the item off another person who purchase the ticket.

 

That's why it's not fair. It's not because 'life's not fair'. <_< You don't even get the gist of the argument.

 

I get it just fine. People have no morals or ethics. I realize that. if people could purchase the ticket through their Jagex accounts instead of TM, they could just directly input the item into the user's account/

[Zepheras]

They should just give you a code to redeem a flag AFTER RuneFest and then make sure your Runescape account is the one linked to the redemption code.

 

That's the problem. If Jagex insist on giving people who attended the event an in-game item to identify themselves with, does it the proper way, people would be more understanding of the symbolism of the item. Right now we have someone who would pay just for the item without going to the event, and some who would get the item off another person who purchase the ticket.

 

That's why it's not fair. It's not because 'life's not fair'. <_< You don't even get the gist of the argument.

 

I get it just fine. People have no morals or ethics. I realize that. if people could purchase the ticket through their Jagex accounts instead of TM, they could just directly input the item into the user's account/

 

Understand too, that people are not very forgiving nowadays. Especially with a game that charges you a fee. Especially with past experience with similar matters such as wintumber trees and security keychains. Jagex made a mistake, and people are bound to complain, not pat them on their back and say "it's ok, it's alright...."

[RSBDavid]

They should just give you a code to redeem a flag AFTER RuneFest and then make sure your Runescape account is the one linked to the redemption code.

 

That's the problem. If Jagex insist on giving people who attended the event an in-game item to identify themselves with, does it the proper way, people would be more understanding of the symbolism of the item. Right now we have someone who would pay just for the item without going to the event, and some who would get the item off another person who purchase the ticket.

 

That's why it's not fair. It's not because 'life's not fair'. <_< You don't even get the gist of the argument.

 

I get it just fine. People have no morals or ethics. I realize that. if people could purchase the ticket through their Jagex accounts instead of TM, they could just directly input the item into the user's account/

 

Understand too, that people are not very forgiving nowadays. Especially with a game that charges you a fee. Especially with past experience with similar matters such as wintumber trees and security keychains. Jagex made a mistake, and people are bound to complain, not pat them on their back and say "it's ok, it's alright...."

 

Gotta love greed.

[calcarb]

Get over it folks.

 

Its a flag and it advertises the Runefest. Nothing more. I bet that after the event you never see them again.

[Roz]

If Jagex had asked the people at Runfest their RSN, and put the toy on their account, that would have been ok by me, they got one because they went; but what does annoy me is that people WILL sell these codes, encouraging RWT which Jagex has been so against since they started the game.

[xxshady]

Move along now, kids. :rolleyes:

 

[RSBDavid]

Move along now, kids. :rolleyes:

 

 

I am not the one you have to impress that into. There are a couple of people here who would ignore that image even if it was printed out and three feet up his or her [wagon].

[lordkafei]

Nobody here is claiming it's about micropayments, though. At least, I'm not. Micropayments are small amounts of money, generally accepted to be $15ish or less.

 

http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/straw.htm

 

:wall:

[qeltar]

Gotta love greed.

Kinda like a company that makes $25,000,000 a year charging its primarily teenaged and college-aged students over $120 a ticket to attend a celebration ostensibly intended to "thank" them.

[RSBDavid]

Gotta love greed.

Kinda like a company that makes $25,000,000 a year charging its primarily teenaged and college-aged students over $120 a ticket to attend a celebration ostensibly intended to "thank" them.

 

Jagex lost over 6 million from Mechscape awhile back.

 

Asking what you just did is like asking "Why does Microsoft charge $120.00 + for an operating system when they make billions of dollars a year? ". The price they choose was based on venue cost, food, prizes, and giveaway costs, and whatever other costs.

[qeltar]

Irrelevant.

 

Throwing a party to "thank" your customers and then making them cover the entire cost of said party is like inviting clients out to dinner to thank them for their patronage and then making them split the bill. And it's particularly sad when the company is clearing millions (even despite snafus like Mechscape) and most of the customers are poor students.

[Arthu]

It's not fair.

Poor children around the world die because of war, hunger, AIDS and multiple other reasons.

Another load of children could not ever get access to internet to play RuneScape, let alone getting schooled to read at all.

 

If they aren't able to get this flag, why should any english people get it? After stealing goods from the lower developed countries for hundreds of years?

Their Computers should be Stolen, their Lands should be Taken, their Flags should be Given to anyone who can't access RuneFest 2010.

God bless America, and shall drop flags all over the States for 40 days and 40 nights.

 

Not fair.

[Shovelmeface]

It's not fair.

Poor children around the world die because of war, hunger, AIDS and multiple other reasons.

Another load of children could not ever get access to internet to play RuneScape, let alone getting schooled to read at all.

 

If they aren't able to get this flag, why should any english people get it? After stealing goods from the lower developed countries for hundreds of years?

Their Computers should be Stolen, their Lands should be Taken, their Flags should be Given to anyone who can't access RuneFest 2010.

God bless America, and shall drop flags all over the States for 40 days and 40 nights.

 

Not fair.

 

Any need for that? :/