Efficiency

[Obtaurian]

Having high combat stats doesn't prove he's an efficient player. My stats may be pitiful but I already know this, and what is worse, most of his none combat stats are worse than mine. No idea whether your maths is off but he's only 67 levels ahead in total. Efficient? Pffffffft.

 

Hi, I think you missed this:

 

It's efficient to not train the skills you absolutely don't like, so unless you know what skills player X likes and what not, you can't make an argument about it. Also, efficiency is defined as time saved, and i'm more than 99% sure you don't know how many in-game hours any of us has, so you actually have no idea how efficient any of us is with out stats, and even if you knew the play time, you'd have to adjust it to the fact that some of us had high levels back in rsc and what not. Your argument of telling who is efficient or not based on their stats is BS.

[Assume Nothing]

@ ring

 

back when he got those levels, the amount of time he would have to spend actually trading for all those materials was significant. today it takes 15 seconds to buy 10k dragonhides. so it was possibly efficient for him to kill blue dragons, which were at the time quite good money anyway.

 

@jr

 

getting a divine may not be efficient, you are possibly correct

 

efficient is not a synonym for high levelled

 

the only one asserting that there exists a "correct way to play" is YOU

 

It's not like he has the levels to show for it.

[PereGrin]

okay so about the divine. it's 557.9m, 585.8m max in the ge. you have two options for getting a divine. the first is getting the gp then sniping it. just getting the gold will take around 150 hours. then you're looking at camping the ge for 1-6 hours a day for about a week before the price updates - another 30 hours we'll say. 180 hours. THEN you have to wait several weeks and MAYBE you will get the shield. otherwise it'll be another 10 hours of money making and 30 hours of camping the ge and several weeks waiting to MAYBE get a shield. OR you make the 1.5b, and buy the shield + junk for cash. it'd take you about 375 hours, then probably 10-25 hours of actual "shopping" on the rsof to find and haggle with a seller with the junk or do intermediate trades. it'll take you about 15-25 hours to shift 1b junk, and you'll lose probably about 15-20% of that 1b. so either way you're looking at 200, 250, 300 or more hours to get a divine. plus you get NO xp during any of the trading, so there's additional losses there.

 

as for his stats, he has not been playing as much for as long as many others, i know that much for sure. please don't play the "level card", especially when YOUR stats are pitiful compared to his.

The fact that you had to explain what a divine is to someone on a thread about efficiency is almost sad. All the info you ever need about this sort of thing is literally 3 clicks away.

[SirIzenhime]

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

 

His point wasn't Jagex said you should trade to play right, his point was Jagex never told us the "correct" way to play, so stop trying to tell people there's a "right" way to play the game, because there isn't.

 

(waits for JR to say the efficient guys are telling people there's 'right' ways to play, even though they haven't)

[Assume Nothing]

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

 

His point wasn't Jagex said you should trade to play right, his point was Jagex never told us the "correct" way to play, so stop trying to tell people there's a "right" way to play the game, because there isn't.

 

(waits for JR to say the efficient guys are telling people there's 'right' ways to play, even though they haven't)

 

Claiming that it's more efficient to play inefficiently is just wrong. Which is just what jrhairychest is doing

[xpx]

You dont need to be efficient to be successful you just need to be consistant

 

For example Zezima said in the tip it inverview that he got 99 range (presumably), 99 crafting, 99 herblore and i think it was 92 prayer ( i cant be bothered to check the article) off blue dragons, about 49k of them. Now for someone like him im sure there were more "efficient" ways such as selling a party hat for the levels. However he chose to level that way, stuck through with it and succeeded. Thats what it takes to be successful.

 

I believe a big member of the tip.it community got 99 smithing off cannonballs. Terrible for efficiency but he stuck through it and got 99 smithing and has some pretty good stats overall now.

 

Unorthodox methods that make the efficient players cringe are not bad (yes even cosmetic slayers if that black beret keeps them slaying more power to them). Players using these often pass the efficient players in teh long run because they do what they dont like and dont quit

Bad example. Clearly shows that you are newschool. Zezima got 99s in those stats ALOT of time ago.

[Guest jrhairychest]

@ ring

 

back when he got those levels, the amount of time he would have to spend actually trading for all those materials was significant. today it takes 15 seconds to buy 10k dragonhides. so it was possibly efficient for him to kill blue dragons, which were at the time quite good money anyway.

I heard that his buddies helped him out by buying materials for some of his buyable skills in his latter years. No idea if that was true.

 

@jr

 

getting a divine may not be efficient, you are possibly correct

 

efficient is not a synonym for high levelled

 

the only one asserting that there exists a "correct way to play" is YOU

 

Its pretty silly to claim to be an efficient player if you don't apply this to as many aspects of your game as is feasible, otherwise anyone can claim such a thing by doing just one thing reasonably efficiently. On the contrary I'm not professing there is a correct way to play but claiming 'Hey I'm efficient' just because of combat is ridiculous and the DIY method suits some of us in our method of play.

 

Subnote

Sorry to all those who accuse me of trolling etc. as I just ignore those posts now but feel free to talk amongst yourselves. The way I'm operating is simply ignoring the posts that bring nothing and answering the posts that actually bring something in. Blade is the only one who seems to want to bring some rational debate at the minute.

[Bladewing]

@jr

 

getting a divine may not be efficient, you are possibly correct

 

efficient is not a synonym for high levelled

 

the only one asserting that there exists a "correct way to play" is YOU

 

Its pretty silly to claim to be an efficient player if you don't apply this to as many aspects of your game as is feasible, otherwise anyone can claim such a thing by doing just one thing reasonably efficiently. On the contrary I'm not professing there is a correct way to play but claiming 'Hey I'm efficient' just because of combat is ridiculous and the DIY method suits some of us in our method of play.

whether it is efficient or not depends on how much more profit you believe you will earn by owning a divine as well as how much fewer valuable items you will instead not lose because your divine saves you. as WELL as how long you think your divine will hold street (i.e. how much time it could save you later by trading it for bought out items)

 

perhaps fishing, woodcutting, and the like are NOT aspects of some players' gaming experience. they do not train them so deciding between training methods is a useless endeavor.

 

you DID claim you were playing it the right way, even though now you say you are not.

I also agree that skill linking is useful as I think this is the way the game was meant to be played.

[SirIzenhime]

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

 

His point wasn't Jagex said you should trade to play right, his point was Jagex never told us the "correct" way to play, so stop trying to tell people there's a "right" way to play the game, because there isn't.

 

(waits for JR to say the efficient guys are telling people there's 'right' ways to play, even though they haven't)

 

Claiming that it's more efficient to play inefficiently is just wrong. Which is just what jrhairychest is doing

 

ooookaay...? Why did you quote me to say that? :unsure:

[Assume Nothing]

 

can you show me where jagex said that not trading and DIY is the way the game was meant to be played?

 

maybe you should read about something called emergent gameplay

Can you show me where it's against the rules, or that skills aren't linked in any way, or that Jagex said it wasn't supposed to play this way?

 

His point wasn't Jagex said you should trade to play right, his point was Jagex never told us the "correct" way to play, so stop trying to tell people there's a "right" way to play the game, because there isn't.

 

(waits for JR to say the efficient guys are telling people there's 'right' ways to play, even though they haven't)

 

Claiming that it's more efficient to play inefficiently is just wrong. Which is just what jrhairychest is doing

 

ooookaay...? Why did you quote me to say that? :unsure:

 

Not sure why I quoted you, I usually respond to the last relevant person who quoted someone that I was making a point at.

[xpx]

Subnote

Sorry to all those who accuse me of trolling etc. as I just ignore those posts now but feel free to talk amongst yourselves. The way I'm operating is simply ignoring the posts that bring nothing and answering the posts that actually bring something in. Blade is the only one who seems to want to bring some rational debate at the minute.

So I assume you agree that it was wrong of you to assume efficiency simply based on someones stats? Because, well, that was the stupidest argument ever.

[Obtaurian]

Its pretty silly to claim to be an efficient player if you don't apply this to as many aspects of your game as is feasible, otherwise anyone can claim such a thing by doing just one thing reasonably efficiently.

 

What if the player only does one thing and does it efficiently? That certainly makes him/her an efficient player.

 

Anyway, I can claim to be an efficient player because I do just about everything in an efficient manner. When I kill stuff, I do it efficiently. When I skill (once in a blue moon), I do it efficiently. When I play minigames, I play them efficiently. That's the way I enjoy playing, so I do it.

[Guest jrhairychest]

whether it is efficient or not depends on how much more profit you believe you will earn by owning a divine as well as how much fewer valuable items you will instead not lose because your divine saves you. as WELL as how long you think your divine will hold street (i.e. how much time it could save you later by trading it for bought out items)

 

Your definition bases efficiency on GP in this point. Purely a point of view but I'll go with it. No guarantees that this type of item will hold its price. As time goes on this item will lose value as it becomes more common, and more common it will get. I don't view that as being efficient, I view that on taking a gamble and living on hope.

 

perhaps fishing, woodcutting, and the like are NOT aspects of some players' gaming experience. they do not train them so deciding between training methods is a useless endeavor.

Like I've said, you cannot claim to be efficient basing it on combat and very little else. Adds no substance to the claim and therefore every player could make this claim for one thing or another.

 

 

you DID claim you were playing it the right way, even though now you say you are not.

 

Playing it the right way for ME. My way. Linking skills is a good thing, and Jagex seems to see it that way these days. Why should I lose money in, for example, crafting when I can profit from it and train other skills with it? If I train my skills the less I become dependent on others for tasks.

[CharlieBrown]

Its pretty silly to claim to be an efficient player if you don't apply this to as many aspects of your game as is feasible, otherwise anyone can claim such a thing by doing just one thing reasonably efficiently.

 

What if the player only does one thing and does it efficiently? That certainly makes him/her an efficient player.

 

Anyway, I can claim to be an efficient player because I do just about everything in an efficient manner. When I kill stuff, I do it efficiently. When I skill (once in a blue moon), I do it efficiently. When I play minigames, I play them efficiently. That's the way I enjoy playing, so I do it.

 

LOLMINIGAMESAREN'TEFFICIENT@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

 

Obt ur a bot

 

<3

 

/troll

 

But seriously, obt is a bo.. i mean, obt is right.

[D Jay99]

Subnote

he way I'm operating is simply ignoring the posts that bring nothing and answering the posts that actually bring something in.

Never mind the posts that disprove your arguments, just ignore those

[Guest jrhairychest]

What if the player only does one thing and does it efficiently? That certainly makes him/her an efficient player.

 

Anyway, I can claim to be an efficient player because I do just about everything in an efficient manner. When I kill stuff, I do it efficiently. When I skill (once in a blue moon), I do it efficiently. When I play minigames, I play them efficiently. That's the way I enjoy playing, so I do it.

 

Much better.

 

Taking your first statement, anyone can make that claim. One skill alone doesn't make anyone an efficient player. It would be reasonable to assume a player that claims efficiency would at least apply it to many game aspects. Otherwise we can all claim it.

 

You claim to be an efficient player but have never defined why. I've asked you for examples time and again about what makes you efficient. You have given some snippets but its all combat. That alone does not make you an efficient player the same way I cannot claim to be efficient if I do one or two things efficiently either but the rest of time I might not be. I'm honest about what I do, that's all.

 

You might want to remind your friends that if they stop falling over each other to post at me with their insults and bring something decent to the table, I'll give that a go too. Otherwise ignored.

[stonewall337]

JR has the dubious distinction of being the 2nd TIFFER ever to be added to my ignore list. I suggest you others do so as well.

 

Arguing with idiots is a lesson in futility. Any inference one makes from that statement is their own, not mine.

 

Achieving a goal and being efficient doing it are two different things. Getting 99 slayer to make money may be a goal, although it won't be as efficient as DKS/tds/frosties. Efficiency is used to ACHIEVE a goal, not necessarily to determine whether that goal is efficient in and of itself. The later is decided based on your long and short term goals.

[Obtaurian]

What if the player only does one thing and does it efficiently? That certainly makes him/her an efficient player.

 

Anyway, I can claim to be an efficient player because I do just about everything in an efficient manner. When I kill stuff, I do it efficiently. When I skill (once in a blue moon), I do it efficiently. When I play minigames, I play them efficiently. That's the way I enjoy playing, so I do it.

 

Much better.

 

Taking your first statement, anyone can make that claim. One skill alone doesn't make anyone an efficient player. It would be reasonable to assume a player that claims efficiency would at least apply it to many game aspects. Otherwise we can all claim it.

 

You claim to be an efficient player but have never defined why. I've asked you for examples time and again about what makes you efficient. You have given some snippets but its all combat. That alone does not make you an efficient player the same way I cannot claim to be efficient if I do one or two things efficiently either but the rest of time I might not be. I'm honest about what I do, that's all.

 

You might want to remind your friends that if they stop falling over each other to post at me with their insults and bring something decent to the table, I'll give that a go too. Otherwise ignored.

 

Actually, a player can be efficient if he only does one thing and does it efficiently. That is efficiency.

 

We're back to square one. I will not give you "examples" of what makes me efficient because that constitutes writing you a guide, which I have already told you I will not do. If you don't want to believe that I'm efficient, that's your prerogative.

 

FYI, of all the posters in the past three pages or so, I have only three added in-game (and two of them have only posted once or twice). You have a large opposition because you post nonsense, not because we're friends backing each other up.

[Obtaurian]

Villandra is a horrible example and does nothing to support your argument. She made her various accounts specifically for the challenges, and she actually DID complete those challenges in efficient ways.

[SixFootOne]

What if the player only does one thing and does it efficiently? That certainly makes him/her an efficient player.

 

Anyway, I can claim to be an efficient player because I do just about everything in an efficient manner. When I kill stuff, I do it efficiently. When I skill (once in a blue moon), I do it efficiently. When I play minigames, I play them efficiently. That's the way I enjoy playing, so I do it.

 

Much better.

 

Taking your first statement, anyone can make that claim. One skill alone doesn't make anyone an efficient player. It would be reasonable to assume a player that claims efficiency would at least apply it to many game aspects. Otherwise we can all claim it.

 

You claim to be an efficient player but have never defined why. I've asked you for examples time and again about what makes you efficient. You have given some snippets but its all combat. That alone does not make you an efficient player the same way I cannot claim to be efficient if I do one or two things efficiently either but the rest of time I might not be. I'm honest about what I do, that's all.

 

You might want to remind your friends that if they stop falling over each other to post at me with their insults and bring something decent to the table, I'll give that a go too. Otherwise ignored.

 

 

And you wonder why people think you are trolling? Seriously? This is the most ridiculous thing i have heard. You claim to play runescape but never proven you do. So until you show me log in screens, screen shots, and a written letter signed by your mother stating you play runescape your argument is void. Do you see my point?

 

And since when does someone have to play every aspect of a game to be efficient. The person stated when they spent their time on rs, they did it efficiently. So that player is an EFFICIENT PLAYER considering all the things the player does are EFFICIENT. What you are trying to do is void his argument because he chooses to do certain things. Sorry not everyone does all aspects of the game and doesn't live up to what you think an efficient player is, but just because they don't live up to your definition doesn't mean they are not efficient.

 

And for your information i don't know anyone else posting in this thread. Just because people are backing him up doesn't mean they are friends. You are just being ridiculous.

[Guest jrhairychest]

Actually, a player can be efficient if he only does one thing and does it efficiently. That is efficiency.

 

We're back to square one. I will not give you "examples" of what makes me efficient because that constitutes writing you a guide, which I have already told you I will not do. If you don't want to believe that I'm efficient, that's your prerogative.

 

FYI, of all the posters in the past three pages or so, I have only three added in-game (and two of them have only posted once or twice). You have a large opposition because you post nonsense, not because we're friends backing each other up.

 

I disagree with the first statement. Again, we can all claim it. We disagree on how it's defined so we agree to disagree.

 

Go on, give examples, you know you want to. I'm not after a guide at all. I'll get those from the guides section. Just some sort of justification as to why you consider yourself an efficient player. Combat is just one aspect of the wider picture. How do I believe something you're reluctant to prove?

 

Just how many are friends of yours is irrelevant. I knew that my initial post would have the swarm come in, and interestingly at pretty much the same time. They were practically fighting each other to post insults in my direction. I just sat back and let it happen. Shows how just how the pathetic pack hunting goes on and how they have very little to bring to the table. More the fool them for wasting their own time.

[Assume Nothing]

Actually, a player can be efficient if he only does one thing and does it efficiently. That is efficiency.

 

We're back to square one. I will not give you "examples" of what makes me efficient because that constitutes writing you a guide, which I have already told you I will not do. If you don't want to believe that I'm efficient, that's your prerogative.

 

FYI, of all the posters in the past three pages or so, I have only three added in-game (and two of them have only posted once or twice). You have a large opposition because you post nonsense, not because we're friends backing each other up.

 

I disagree with the first statement. Again, we can all claim it. We disagree on how it's defined so we agree to disagree.

 

Go on, give examples, you know you want to. I'm not after a guide at all. I'll get those from the guides section. Just some sort of justification as to why you consider yourself an efficient player. Combat is just one aspect of the wider picture. How do I believe something you're reluctant to prove?

 

Just how many are friends of yours is irrelevant. I knew that my initial post would have the swarm come in, and interestingly at pretty much the same time. They were practically fighting each other to post insults in my direction. I just sat back and let it happen. Shows how just how the pathetic pack hunting goes on and how they have very little to bring to the table. More the fool them for wasting their own time.

Like anyone cares.

 

We're efficient because we can and will do things the quickest way possible, is it that hard to understand?

 

Edit - Oh, and cool, admitting that you are a troll. Really makes you a reputable Tifer.

[Golvellius]

I wasn't going to post again on this thread again with page after page filled with utter nonsense after I post like this:

 

I don't have a problem with people not playing efficiently. Obviously if they don't play the way I tell them then they must be stupid.

I am critical thinker with a closed mind. I only troll when I disagree with something. Thats not often I promise.

I can't see what you put in front of my face 10 times. Try harder.

Efficiency can be defined with Pythagorean's Theorem.

"Make 4mil gp/hr"^2 + "Spend 10mil gp/hr"^2 = "fun"^2

 

But then you called my name, and I am here. :thumbup:

Where are you?

 

^ yeah just look at golvellius, he's near-maxed or maxed and he fervently denies ever doing anything efficiently

 

Hopelessly lost...

I said I was not RS efficient.

I only use the standard english definition of efficiency and not the clown based short form.

But, in an effort to be more "clown friendly", I will only use effective to describe myself.

Henceforth, I shall now be known as "Golvellius the Effective". 8-)

[Obtaurian]

Go on, give examples, you know you want to. I'm not after a guide at all. I'll get those from the guides section. Just some sort of justification as to why you consider yourself an efficient player. Combat is just one aspect of the wider picture. How do I believe something you're reluctant to prove?

 

Okay, you got me. I'll give you ONE example: I mine granite with a BA horn using a lava titan, mousekeys, and the four rock formation (two sandstone and two granite rocks). If I had 77 mining, I would mine coal in the LRC with a BA horn. If I had 80 mining, I would mine and superheat gold in the LRC without the horn.

 

OMFG SEE I BE EFFICIENT. I had to type all that to explain how I train a very simple skill. Hopefully you now understand why I'm not going to do it for every skill. I will now direct you to SixFootOne's post, as he just verbally raped all of your arguments.

[Assume Nothing]

I don't have a problem with people not playing efficiently. Obviously if they don't play the way I tell them then they must be stupid.

I am critical thinker with a closed mind. I only troll when I disagree with something. Thats not often I promise.

I can't see what you put in front of my face 10 times. Try harder.

Efficiency can be defined with Pythagorean's Theorem.

"Make 4mil gp/hr"^2 + "Spend 10mil gp/hr"^2 = "fun"^2

 

Cool quotes, where did you get em from?