Dungeonsweepers (DGS) - Huge changes; read first post.

[Michael]

Don't be a [developmentally delayed] about this....

[Low C]

If i played still I wouldn't want to get rsi for that increase in floor times. Playing long term sessions to gain massive heaps of xp would become very repetitive and not very fun concentrating that much on outright dps.

[Mihaly]

Turn flashing an entire floor is too much effort

Keying an entire floor is too much effort.

 

Edit: whoa, Vex, I missed that when you posted it apparently, but that is the first key program I've seen that's worth using. The fact that it doesn't need to be precisely clicked every time you open a door means I can just go "Oh hey X door is that way" and throw the key there, and then when I'm staring at my map wondering what that door over that way is it'll be there. Bookmark'd.

 

I disagree, I love keying to be honest. Then again, if a keyer demands people flash turm/piety at least have the decency to do so.

 

EDIT: Didn't read the entire discussion, let's not start fighting here guys. Then again, TheAncient I have to disagree with you. Like Obt said, you're kind of right, but if a keyer requests turm/piety flashing just do so. Stop being such a [carrot :P] and say you watch TV, because I know no one in the DGing clan would (at least, when you're learning/90+). At least I hope so! :o

[TheAncient]

Turn flashing an entire floor is too much effort

Keying an entire floor is too much effort.

 

Edit: whoa, Vex, I missed that when you posted it apparently, but that is the first key program I've seen that's worth using. The fact that it doesn't need to be precisely clicked every time you open a door means I can just go "Oh hey X door is that way" and throw the key there, and then when I'm staring at my map wondering what that door over that way is it'll be there. Bookmark'd.

 

I disagree, I love keying to be honest. Then again, if a keyer demands people flash turm/piety at least have the decency to do so.

I will never dps for a keyer that demands Turm flash

 

Green, the point is that you don't have to turm flash to be a good dps. It won't make a significant difference in floor time and makes the floor much more annoying and exposes you to carpal tunnel

[green9090]

I was being a little tongue in cheek there. What I mean is that DPS is quite easy compared to keying. If all you have to do is sit in this room and hit things until they're all dead, there's really no reason not to do the extra clicks to do it faster. At least you're not running all over the map constantly. Even with turm flashing every hit, combat in RS is MUCH less APM intensive than most other real time games I can think of.

[TheAncient]

I was being a little tongue in cheek there. What I mean is that DPS is quite easy compared to keying. If all you have to do is sit in this room and hit things until they're all dead, there's really no reason not to do the extra clicks to do it faster. At least you're not running all over the map constantly. Even with turm flashing every hit, combat in RS is MUCH less APM intensive than most other real time games I can think of.

No. Your apm is way better spent luring, kiting, ss flashing if needed, and switching between combat styles.

[green9090]

True, and I do all of that. Except that, as I said, you can flash turm and SS together, losslessly. The fact remains that there's a lot of time with nothing to lure, when kiting would be pointless, and you're already on the proper attack style. Then wat do? Flash.

[TheAncient]

Or if you don't want carpal tunnel and burnout, chat with friends or more importantly take the time to relax

[bedman]

Tbh, turmoil flashing is just one of the things that can make a quick floor even quicker, but isn't game changing. Being proactive, running/gating far away doors, exploring paths as much as you can yourself, updating keyer about it, making str melees, ragers, are all much more important iMO. But yeah, you will come at a point where you do all that already, and then you can improve even more by turmoil flashing.

[Blutters]

95-100 at DGS and loving it so far :-)

 

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This is where I want to get to too. At what time of the day (or night) do ranks do DGs with non-ranks? / At what is the chattuh most active?

[Obtaurian]

95-100 at DGS and loving it so far :-)

 

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This is where I want to get to too. At what time of the day (or night) do ranks do DGs with non-ranks? / At what is the chattuh most active?

 

Uh, there isn't a set time of day where ranks dg with non-ranks. The only time ranks don't dg with non-ranks is when the ranks need their high warpeds done, and even then there's a few non-ranks in there.

[SirIzenhime]

It's already been established that SS and turm activate at different times so you can't flash both without significant loss

 

The opposite has been established.

 

The only thing you mess when turm flashing is the full turm boost.

 

Overall though, the arguement that's been going on the past page and half is pointless.

 

For turm/ss flashing : It speeds up floors, saves food and is easy.

 

Against turm flashing : Carpal tunnel/doing things like luring and kiting

 

 

K.

[ghjkl]

turm flashing isn't as important as it sounds

i estimate that a 20% increase in dps output would increase floor times by 4%, from my experiences with having the entire team ovl and 3 sets of melee pots being made throughout the dungeon

i might do a study on how much of the actual time in a dung is being spent doing gds, or how much damage per dung is needed to clear all gds on average, but 4% is not a huge figure

turm flashing is impossible when you need to prayer flash and kite at the same time also

[All_Is_Great]

95-100 at DGS and loving it so far :-)

 

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This is where I want to get to too. At what time of the day (or night) do ranks do DGs with non-ranks? / At what is the chattuh most active?

 

Uh, there isn't a set time of day where ranks dg with non-ranks. The only time ranks don't dg with non-ranks is when the ranks need their high warpeds done, and even then there's a few non-ranks in there.

 

Weird b/c i've never been able to find floors. I ask if anyone is doing occults or abandonds and people just keep on talking about slayer/frosts/random. So I started a party, then this guy said he'd prefer if a ranked keys and no ranks wanted to so I went to w148. Got my rapier in like 3 days, keyed some 35-40 minute floors which was fun, and that's the end of my story.

 

Point: hard to find floors.

[i_trollz_u]

95-100 at DGS and loving it so far :-)

 

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This is where I want to get to too. At what time of the day (or night) do ranks do DGs with non-ranks? / At what is the chattuh most active?

 

Uh, there isn't a set time of day where ranks dg with non-ranks. The only time ranks don't dg with non-ranks is when the ranks need their high warpeds done, and even then there's a few non-ranks in there.

 

Weird b/c i've never been able to find floors. I ask if anyone is doing occults or abandonds and people just keep on talking about slayer/frosts/random. So I started a party, then this guy said he'd prefer if a ranked keys and no ranks wanted to so I went to w148. Got my rapier in like 3 days, keyed some 35-40 minute floors which was fun, and that's the end of my story.

 

Point: hard to find floors.

 

Also, I've never seen a rank invite anyone to a floor that is below 45 - not an exaggeration - been in cc for past week.

[ghjkl]

95-100 at DGS and loving it so far :-)

 

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This is where I want to get to too. At what time of the day (or night) do ranks do DGs with non-ranks? / At what is the chattuh most active?

 

Uh, there isn't a set time of day where ranks dg with non-ranks. The only time ranks don't dg with non-ranks is when the ranks need their high warpeds done, and even then there's a few non-ranks in there.

 

Weird b/c i've never been able to find floors. I ask if anyone is doing occults or abandonds and people just keep on talking about slayer/frosts/random. So I started a party, then this guy said he'd prefer if a ranked keys and no ranks wanted to so I went to w148. Got my rapier in like 3 days, keyed some 35-40 minute floors which was fun, and that's the end of my story.

 

Point: hard to find floors.

 

Also, I've never seen a rank invite anyone to a floor that is below 45 - not an exaggeration - been in cc for past week.

I just did 44 today

[SirIzenhime]

 

Also, I've never seen a rank invite anyone to a floor that is below 45 - not an exaggeration - been in cc for past week.

 

You're never on when Tui, vexn, losing games and gwyn are on then.

[Mr_Recci]

dgs ftw :D

[Michael]

Second bow drop.

[Vex]

M.C Gazer from the UK

 

Get Under Him

[Vex]

I originally took whoever for abandons and such, but I've changed my personal policy to taking only 1 or 2 noobs even on lower floors, as I think they will learn a lot more & more quickly taking several experienced players as well.

 

I also like doing rows either 2-3 at a time so it's worth setting up a skype call for.

[xpx]

I originally took whoever for abandons and such, but I've changed my personal policy to taking only 1 or 2 noobs even on lower floors, as I think they will learn a lot more & more quickly taking several experienced players as well.

 

I also like doing rows either 2-3 at a time so it's worth setting up a skype call for.

It's definitely not true that the ranks don't take people below f45, but it will definitely get much easier at 89 dg. Part of the reason is that DGS is primarily meant to get people to dg well and go far, and not reach frosts or a rapier at 80 dg- thus it's quite fair to ask 89+ for most floors(the initial req was 90 dg, btw, anyway, so that level will definitely help). At 89 dg, there should be no problem doing all occoults with dgs.

[Obtaurian]

Weird b/c i've never been able to find floors. I ask if anyone is doing occults or abandonds and people just keep on talking about slayer/frosts/random. So I started a party, then this guy said he'd prefer if a ranked keys and no ranks wanted to so I went to w148. Got my rapier in like 3 days, keyed some 35-40 minute floors which was fun, and that's the end of my story.

 

Point: hard to find floors.

 

The clan chat operates on a first-come, first-serve basis. If you're not there when floors start, you'll just have to wait your turn. It's important to keep in mind that teams often do rows of floors, so you may be waiting awhile in some cases. Spending a lot of time in the clan chat will help you get floors sooner.

 

But aside from that, I've seen you in the clan chat maybe once or twice (at most), and only in the past couple days. It's typically true that people who are more serious about dungeoneering will have a much easier time getting floors in DGS. We have a multitude of people who hang out in the clan chat all the time and do just about every floor that pops up (and I'm talking about non-keyers). You can scrape by if all you want are chaotics and frost dragons, but don't expect keyers to cater to you or regulars to flock to you with that attitude.

 

It always amuses me when one or two people complain about not being able to find floors. You would probably be in a floor right now if you had used that energy to find one instead of posting here.

[Crossed_Body]

Also, I've never seen a rank invite anyone to a floor that is below 45 - not an exaggeration - been in cc for past week.

I was in 3 dungeons with Vexn that say otherwise. And two of them were large 5:5 abandoneds.

[ghjkl]

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