Hedgehog Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Can anyone who isn't 99 strength post a picture of your equipment screen without wearing/wielding anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 The tag system is incredibly crude imo, as is the xp per kill system. It'd be much better to divide xp and drops between the people who killed a monster according to how much damage they dealt (xp per hit as current). Kill stealing is a part of the game, nothing really to be worried about.Single combat was made so that there are areas where you DON'T have to worry about kill stealing. Tag system could maybe use work, but we need a system in some areas of the game to prevent kill stealing.Why would you want to have areas where you don't have to worry about kill stealing? It's perfectly possible to not worry about kill stealing even in multicombat areas. Multi encourages people to bring their best, rather than afking with suboptimal gear and a bunyip. It's the best way to encourage people to be active in combat, better than abilities. The best system to prevent kill stealing is glacor-style multi where you can use a familiar/barrage but still only attack one target at the time. I can see systems like that working in non-cannon areas like Kuradal's and the slayer dungeon. But it's better to have most of RS multi. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaths Near Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Can anyone who isn't 99 strength post a picture of your equipment screen without wearing/wielding anything?I can tell you that I just drank a dose of brew, which lowered my strength level to 95, which also lowered my damage rating on the equipment screen to 95, if that confirms your hypothesis. And also as my strength level increased at 1 lvl/min, so did my damage rating :razz: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambler Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 Mehk, gimme a few mins. :) ^^My blog of EoC PvM, lols and Therapy.^^My livestream- Currently: Offline :(Offical Harpy Therapist of the Mad[hide=Lewtations]Barrows drops: Dharok's helm x2, Guthan's helm, Ahrim's top, Hood and skirt, Torag's hammers, Karils skirt, Karil's top, Torag's helm, Verac's skirt, Verac's Flail, Dharok's Platebody.Dag kings drops: Lost count! :wall:4k+ Glacors, 7 Ragefires, 4 Steadfasts, 4 Glaivens, 400+ shards![/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 The tag system is incredibly crude imo, as is the xp per kill system. It'd be much better to divide xp and drops between the people who killed a monster according to how much damage they dealt (xp per hit as current). Kill stealing is a part of the game, nothing really to be worried about.Single combat was made so that there are areas where you DON'T have to worry about kill stealing. Tag system could maybe use work, but we need a system in some areas of the game to prevent kill stealing.Why would you want to have areas where you don't have to worry about kill stealing? It's perfectly possible to not worry about kill stealing even in multicombat areas. Multi encourages people to bring their best, rather than afking with suboptimal gear and a bunyip. It's the best way to encourage people to be active in combat, better than abilities. The best system to prevent kill stealing is glacor-style multi where you can use a familiar/barrage but still only attack one target at the time. I can see systems like that working in non-cannon areas like Kuradal's and the slayer dungeon. But it's better to have most of RS multi. I can't figure out if you're disagreeing with me or not. You ask why there should be areas where you don't have to worry about kill stealing and then talk positively about an area where you don't have to worry about kill stealing? Glacors aren't really multicombat. They're coded to be multi-combat, but considering you only fight one Glacor at time, can't fight the Glacor someone else is fighting, it's single combat. The fact that titans work and you can end up fighting 4 NPCs (the Glacor and 3 glacytes) doesn't really count. The titan is an extension of the player and the Glacytes are an extension of the one Glacor you're fighting. I gotta say tho, Glacor style "multi-combat" seems a lot simpler then this target system tho. "Someone else is fighting this monsters" is a lot more intuitive then not getting exp because the monster has an asterix. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum_Myr Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 I agree. I would much rather have areas where multi-combat works for our stuff, but where its not as easy to kill-steal. I'd rather have it based on who does the most damage and not who did the first hit. I'd want the places like kuradel's dungeon to be like glacors so that you can only attack one at once. (But still use steel titan) Testing in PvP is not PvM. I want to be able to use abilities at half the rate, so that my fingers don't get tired. Maxed since Sunday, January 9th, 2014Completionist since Wednesday, June 4th, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999134 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q840hVgleMfairly sure I am allowed to post this here. Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod![hide=old sig][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanRabbit Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 That was really nice of them to answer all those questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 @All the killing stealing stuff:It's all well and good saying it's not a problem or it's not hard to not have you kills stolen when you already have the best gear and a loverly superfast internet connection that never lags on an awesome computer; if everybody fell into this category it'd never be an issue at all.But we do not all fall in to this category and when you have a slightly older pc, poor internet or don't own the best gear (and any combination of the three) killing stealing does need something in place (eg the tagging system that whilst not perfect yet is a good idea to work around single-way combat) because otherwise we just get walked all over by people with the better gear, the better computers and the better internet coming in to yoink kills away and there's f all we can do about it. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 You think tagging won't have those problems? There's only four each of iron/steel dragons in Kuradal's, you can easily tag two. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 How do you tag two? I'm assuming you can only tag one monster at a time. If that's the case, I don't see how you are tagging two dragons. Unless you by being the first person to smack the dragon after it spawns, which doesn't make it much different from the current system. I think a tagging type system (which, in spirit, is kind of how the current single-combat system works), can be good because it means a person with lowest stats and lesser gear can compete with a person with higher stats and gear for kills. Like the current system, I think it's best if we have some areas that are single combat, meaning the first person to smack it will get the exp and drops, but also include multi combat areas where the person who does the most damage gets the exp and drops. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 How do you tag two? I'm assuming you can only tag one monster at a time. If that's the case, I don't see how you are tagging two dragons. Unless you by being the first person to smack the dragon after it spawns, which doesn't make it much different from the current system.You can just alternate attacks between the two dragons, effectively tagging both? With a 4-tick weapon you could tag up to 4 dragons theoretically without breaking the 10 second limit. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ren Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Karil appears to drain magic now. I was fighting through the Barrows and noticed he was dropping my magic one level at a time. I wonder if the set effect is any more significant when used by an actual player. I've seen Torag activate his effect on me, but nothing appeared to happen. Maybe he drained my run, but I when I checked it was at 100% - so either it didn't drain it at all, or it was so very tiny it was restored by the time I realized what happened. I have yet to get the set effect to work with my own Torag's armor, but I've only tested it PvM. If it were still only a run energy drain, that might explain why it isn't activating on monsters.Just a theory, but check your prayer points next time you go to barrows in beta :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeMarine Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 How do you tag two? I'm assuming you can only tag one monster at a time. If that's the case, I don't see how you are tagging two dragons. Unless you by being the first person to smack the dragon after it spawns, which doesn't make it much different from the current system.You can just alternate attacks between the two dragons, effectively tagging both? With a 4-tick weapon you could tag up to 4 dragons theoretically without breaking the 10 second limit.Sounds good actually. Assuming you can only tag one monster at a time this allows a person to train on multiple animals if they concentrate, but can't hog them if other players show up. Hopefully players are testing this out and making good reports on the pros and cons of the new drop system. Also, if the tag system does not apply to bosses, maybe Jagex can expand that to other monsters on a case by case basis. Learn how to Learn Japanese on your own - Nukemarine's Suggested Guide for Beginners in JapaneseStop Forgetting Stuff for College and Life - Anki - a program which makes remembering things easyReach Elite Fitness - CrossFit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Karil appears to drain magic now. I was fighting through the Barrows and noticed he was dropping my magic one level at a time. I wonder if the set effect is any more significant when used by an actual player. I've seen Torag activate his effect on me, but nothing appeared to happen. Maybe he drained my run, but I when I checked it was at 100% - so either it didn't drain it at all, or it was so very tiny it was restored by the time I realized what happened. I have yet to get the set effect to work with my own Torag's armor, but I've only tested it PvM. If it were still only a run energy drain, that might explain why it isn't activating on monsters.Just a theory, but check your prayer points next time you go to barrows in beta :P. I was. The prayer drain is still there inside the crypts and tunnels, but greatly reduced. It drains only a few prayer points per spooky ghost face that appears. Not sure if any of the brothers' sets are having any further effect on it though. I'll keep an eye out. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Players seeking a one-on-one PvP fights can use the Duel Arena or visit the new Crucible (Bounty Hunter) mini-game. That's a nice way of removing any kind of dangerous single way PvP from f2p, brilliant move Jagex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrixStar Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Has anyone came up with a good rotation of abilities for each style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Has anyone came up with a good rotation of abilities for each style?I called it... I knew there would eventually be people who would start looking for efficient rotations. Not that it's a bad thing. I have a nice rotation, but things slightly vary for those who dps, tank or switch off with a 2h. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Squab Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Players seeking a one-on-one PvP fights can use the Duel Arena or visit the new Crucible (Bounty Hunter) mini-game. That's a nice way of removing any kind of dangerous single way PvP from f2p, brilliant move Jagex.Crucible is P2P? Oh dear. Squab unleashes Megiddo! Completed all quests and hard diaries. 75+ Skiller. (At one point.) 2000+ total. 99 Magic.[spoiler=The rest of my sig. You know you wanna see it.]my difinition of noob is i dont like u, either u are better then me or u are worst them meBuying spins make you a bad person...don't do it. It's like buying nukes for North Korea.Well if it bothers you that the game is more fun now, then you can go cry in a corner. :shame:your article was the equivalent of a circumcized porcupineThe only thing wrong with it is the lack of a percentage for when you need to stroke it. Poignant Purple to Lokie's Ravishing Red and Alg's Brilliant Blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambler Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Fun little thing, if you're PvMing, and kill a boss, you can keep you adren bar up by alternating Freedom and the Jump back ability, you can add a few more in if you want to start the boss with a full bar.Interestingly, any ability counts as entering cmbat, so you get the 10 second logout warning at ge. Oh, and me and some radom guy got b2b Acp and Ahilt. Why does my luck exist in the beta? :sad: ^^My blog of EoC PvM, lols and Therapy.^^My livestream- Currently: Offline :(Offical Harpy Therapist of the Mad[hide=Lewtations]Barrows drops: Dharok's helm x2, Guthan's helm, Ahrim's top, Hood and skirt, Torag's hammers, Karils skirt, Karil's top, Torag's helm, Verac's skirt, Verac's Flail, Dharok's Platebody.Dag kings drops: Lost count! :wall:4k+ Glacors, 7 Ragefires, 4 Steadfasts, 4 Glaivens, 400+ shards![/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossed_Body Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Crucible is P2P? Oh dear. Indeed it is. This is a decision harsher even than the f2p highscore removal, this actually removes content from f2p in order to allure them into buying p2p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bark Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I didn't get access to beta but all my freinds have i find the entire thing unfair and unjustified even reading through this thread on how everyones enjoying it is just making me feel worse You want to Bark can you do it abit darker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I thought the beta was open to all members during the weekends? Whatever happened to that? [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Only opens to all members starting next weekend, where the events will count towards earning your exclusive gear. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999134 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 exclusive gear? Sorry have not been following Beta that closely. Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod![hide=old sig][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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