Quyneax Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hmm, looks like wisps are only worth it for cb/sf and triples, which is a bit disappointing... rallying cry is mostly useless, as there's almost no chance that you'll have sub-level-10 crew by the end of the Loop anyway, and next region they'll have practically no stat advantage over basic crew. They're basically more specialized pre-nerf Oxheads... Far more reasonable would be to keep Oxheads at 600 all (that way staying somewhat/theoretically valuable in the Loop) and giving Wisps a useful trait or group of traits, like Good Fortune + Opportunist + Rallying cry (all traits that are semi-useful but not worth keeping any kind of crew for). Simply giving Wisps +1% ship stats or the multi-talented trait or three random +100 traits would work as well. 2 Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeRambo Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ugh, I wanted to be the first to unlock wisp :P anyway, i took a pic don't hate my crew!! "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come." "An imperfect man can do great deeds, and a great man imperfect ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Ew yeah that trait sucks. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks that the 800 Speed on Wisp is actually quite useful? The new hulls all have terrible speed ratings (final Azure hull is 100), so the boost from the Wisp is welcome imo. Don't mind me too much though, haven't done Ports for the last week and still floundering in the Pincers :P 1 In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 ugh, I wanted to be the first to unlock wisp :P anyway, i took a pic don't hate my crew!! 2 players have completed the island unlock in The Loop--1. iPeet2. Jeremy841That's from some jagex lackey. Apparently, 47 have reached the Loop, 3 have done all trio missions. 4 First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks that the 800 Speed on Wisp is actually quite useful? The new hulls all have terrible speed ratings (final Azure hull is 100), so the boost from the Wisp is welcome imo. Don't mind me too much though, haven't done Ports for the last week and still floundering in the Pincers :P The Speed is on the wrong type of crew. Speed stat is the most useful when the crew in question is a SINGLE stat, not a double/triple stat. Reasoning (well, at least mine) being that when you go on a Duo or Trio, due to JoD's effect, chances are you will stick a JoD on the ship, whose Solidarity boosts speed by itself, hence raising the minimum speed that the ship would end up with under most circumstances, and thus it would require less speed to hit the speed cap, as well as having the overall time reduction being less effective due to a higher baseline speed. 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share Posted January 24, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks that the 800 Speed on Wisp is actually quite useful? The new hulls all have terrible speed ratings (final Azure hull is 100), so the boost from the Wisp is welcome imo. Don't mind me too much though, haven't done Ports for the last week and still floundering in the Pincers :P The Speed is on the wrong type of crew. Speed stat is the most useful when the crew in question is a SINGLE stat, not a double/triple stat. Reasoning (well, at least mine) being that when you go on a Duo or Trio, due to JoD's effect, chances are you will stick a JoD on the ship, whose Solidarity boosts speed by itself, hence raising the minimum speed that the ship would end up with under most circumstances, and thus it would require less speed to hit the speed cap, as well as having the overall time reduction being less effective due to a higher baseline speed. Yeah, but what's the speed requirement to cap on Loop/Shield level voyages? Chances are Solidarity and the Rudder aren't going to push it all the way, especially with the slower hulls. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Just a small suggestion regarding the combat beta- it can be "abused" to mine data from ports. For example, if you have crew, voyage, captain or adventurer rerolls, you can just use them all in beta- get new information, and then reset to save game and repeat. You can also try sending out ships at 0% to see if it's at all possible to kill crew with lifeboats. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammako Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Ah that was a close one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You have no idea how mad I am that I still didn't get my final voyage for the cape. Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I just sent the hunter finale again at 95% with a merch and fots. If it comes back successful I will have 72 pearl and 26 koi scales. I also sent another 5 koi scale and it will be a total of 31 koi scale. Edit: All on top of getting an adventurer reroll from a random. As soon as I get my architect and hunter back in I'm rerolling it for another voyage. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I have come to the conclusion that Upgrading Terracotta merchants first may actually be more beneficial than upgrading the Terracotta morale crew, because TM starts with 650 morale, and probably would end up as 1300 (so a 700 morale upgrade over JM), but a Morale crew is 1500 base, upgrade to 3000 (600 upgrade over Travelling band), add the fact that you do not get any stat downgrade for using a level 0 TM over a level 10 JM, unlike the other scenario... 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Ok so chef and hunter finales all done. I have one more architect and her finale then I start the trio voyages. I'm beginning to think I'll have all three done before hitting the loop. I'm also curious when the finale voyages pop up. If we get 2/3 in the loop and 1 in the shield that might make quite a bit of a cliff hanger moment. I'm sitting on 72 pearl and 28 koi scale. Part of me wants to make a tradable ring and test the economy. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambler Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Would it be possible to get a tradable ring off you in the beta servers sometime? Want to do some testing. :p ^^My blog of EoC PvM, lols and Therapy.^^My livestream- Currently: Offline :(Offical Harpy Therapist of the Mad[hide=Lewtations]Barrows drops: Dharok's helm x2, Guthan's helm, Ahrim's top, Hood and skirt, Torag's hammers, Karils skirt, Karil's top, Torag's helm, Verac's skirt, Verac's Flail, Dharok's Platebody.Dag kings drops: Lost count! :wall:4k+ Glacors, 7 Ragefires, 4 Steadfasts, 4 Glaivens, 400+ shards![/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Would it be possible to get a tradable ring off you in the beta servers sometime? Want to do some testing. :pIf I get the trade goods in time I'll make you one in beta before making one on the live game. 1 Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 After some fishing on the beta servers i've come up with some slightly useful nuggets of information: Triple stat voyages are almost universally useless in the Loop. The only useful ones i was able to find were 12.8k ea for 6 bones and 10.4k ea for 275 'cotta with architect. There are no resource voyages with triple stat(only chimes).The third tier of trade goods in the loop is 125 that you start getting at 10% trough the Loop. These are likely 90% missions(22.4k difficulty). Duo missions give 325 'cotta.Although it seems strange and i guess some people have experienced this, you don't need to have all three adventurers from a trio "free" in order to get a trio mission, you just need to get 2 of the 3 to show up at the same time.There are definitely no new captains in the Loop, although the rate at which you get 10k captains is very high.There are no more special crew in the Loop other than Reef rider and Merchant. This means that if jagex'es math is right, there has to be 2 shield specific crewmen(in addition to special and 3 standard). 6 First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDiamond Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 After some fishing on the beta servers i've come up with some slightly useful nuggets of information: Triple stat voyages are almost universally useless in the Loop. The only useful ones i was able to find were 12.8k ea for 6 bones and 10.4k ea for 275 'cotta with architect. There are no resource voyages with triple stat(only chimes).The third tier of trade goods in the loop is 125 that you start getting at 10% trough the Loop. These are likely 90% missions(22.4k difficulty). Duo missions give 325 'cotta.Although it seems strange and i guess some people have experienced this, you don't need to have all three adventurers from a trio "free" in order to get a trio mission, you just need to get 2 of the 3 to show up at the same time.There are definitely no new captains in the Loop, although the rate at which you get 10k captains is very high.There are no more special crew in the Loop other than Reef rider and Merchant. This means that if jagex'es math is right, there has to be 2 shield specific crewmen(in addition to special and 3 standard). No idea what i just read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc3399 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Would it be possible to get a tradable ring off you in the beta servers sometime? Want to do some testing. :PI've got 92 pearls at the moment if you want I can make you one. EDIT: I've made 3 at the moment for people who want them. PM me EDIT2: First day eligible for the trios and I get it, also roll a scroll mission and only need 2 more scrolls to be done before the next region, dunno which to pick. Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Issildur Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Sent my penultimate trio today. Assuming things go well, I should have a tradable cape and (if I decide not to make a personal one) a tradable ring in a day or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I just sent story voyage 59/63 for the architect at 99%. Also congratulations issildur. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chenw Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 26-Jan-2014 02:20:26 SPOILER ALERT: Don't read past here if you don't want the new crew and captains to be spoiled for you.Hopefully this is all right to post, but here's some information on the new crew and captains from the game's cache: Crew:Pearl Diver- Stats: 0 morale, 0 combat, 1500 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Sea-fort Guard- Stats: 0 morale, 1500 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Party Animal- Stats: 1500 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Reef Rider- Stats: 450 morale, 450 combat, 450 seafaring, 2500 speed- Cost: 7000 chimes, 600 terracotta Wisp- Stats: 300 morale, 750 combat, 750 seafaring, 800 speed- Cost: 5550 chimes, 1250 terracotta Terracotta Merchant- Stats: 650 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 5550 chimes, 1250 terracotta Stargazer- Stats: 0 morale, 0 combat, 2100 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Gu Bodyguard- Stats: 0 morale, 2100 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Zhonghu Player- Stats: 2100 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Azure Golem- Stats: 900 morale, 1100 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 2500 chimes, 1500 azure Kharidian Exile- Stats: 450 morale, 450 combat, 1450 seafaring, 850 speed- Cost: 7000 chimes, 1500 azure Captains:Captain- Stats: 600 morale, 1050 combat, 550 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 550 morale, 600 combat, 1050 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 1050 morale, 550 combat, 600 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 550 morale, 550 combat, 550 seafaring, 950 speed- Cost: 27500 chimes As far as I can tell from the information in the cache, these new captains should be available in the same regions as the 10k captains. I haven't heard of anyone seeing a new one, though, so they may be farther ahead. Hope this helps! According to some data mined info on the RSOF port thread Courtesy to Void Method 4 6,924th to 30 hunting, 13,394th to 30 summoning, 52,993rd to 30 DivinationKiln Record (Post-EoC): W 25 - L 0, 14 Uncut Onyx, 8 Jad hits received (Best record: Two in the same kiln)Obby set renewed post update #2: 0QBD drops: 21 crossbow parts, 3 Visages, 1 Kites, 2 KitsMax Port Score [2205] Achieved: 27th April 2013 (World 2nd) Farmyard Rampage ranking: 12th, 50,000 Kills. Dragon Pickaxe Drops: 1 (Times after I first entered Battlefield: 2h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayc3399 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 26-Jan-2014 02:20:26 SPOILER ALERT: Don't read past here if you don't want the new crew and captains to be spoiled for you.Hopefully this is all right to post, but here's some information on the new crew and captains from the game's cache: Crew:Pearl Diver- Stats: 0 morale, 0 combat, 1500 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Sea-fort Guard- Stats: 0 morale, 1500 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Party Animal- Stats: 1500 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 6500 chimes, 750 terracotta Reef Rider- Stats: 450 morale, 450 combat, 450 seafaring, 2500 speed- Cost: 7000 chimes, 600 terracotta Wisp- Stats: 300 morale, 750 combat, 750 seafaring, 800 speed- Cost: 5550 chimes, 1250 terracotta Terracotta Merchant- Stats: 650 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 5550 chimes, 1250 terracotta Stargazer- Stats: 0 morale, 0 combat, 2100 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Gu Bodyguard- Stats: 0 morale, 2100 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Zhonghu Player- Stats: 2100 morale, 0 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 8000 chimes, 850 azure Azure Golem- Stats: 900 morale, 1100 combat, 0 seafaring, 0 speed- Cost: 2500 chimes, 1500 azure Kharidian Exile- Stats: 450 morale, 450 combat, 1450 seafaring, 850 speed- Cost: 7000 chimes, 1500 azure Captains:Captain- Stats: 600 morale, 1050 combat, 550 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 550 morale, 600 combat, 1050 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 1050 morale, 550 combat, 600 seafaring, 350 speed- Cost: 35000 chimes Captain- Stats: 550 morale, 550 combat, 550 seafaring, 950 speed- Cost: 27500 chimes As far as I can tell from the information in the cache, these new captains should be available in the same regions as the 10k captains. I haven't heard of anyone seeing a new one, though, so they may be farther ahead. Hope this helps! According to some data mined info on the RSOF port thread Courtesy to Void Method Beautiful, now we only need info on what the voyage req's will be and we can start finding optimum crews. Quest Cape Achieved on November 14, 2007Items AcquiredCrystal Pick and HatchetBerzerker Ring x 33/28 Barrows Items Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpx Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Beautiful, now we only need info on what the voyage req's will be and we can start finding optimum crews. Uhh... Considering all those stats i think it's fair to say 7774 is best. That is considering there aren't any specialties as far as traits are concerned and speed isn't an issue. Might even keep a JoD and a shield trio specialty just for trio missions but that's about it. Those captains do look nice though. First to 99 Farming on 27. September, 2005.First to 3766 Port Score on 20. March, 2014.First to 4664 Port Score on 2. March, 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strilmus Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 wait, did they completely forget to actually write down the trait for the last special unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 If there really is no solidarity or merchant unit for the last region, that's very disappointing. You can *maybe* keep one Kharadian exile around for triples, but that's about it. JoD would be better for duos and trios than the golem or the exile. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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